Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Katya]

And speaking of saving the children and ad campaigns.

n/m I think ECF is breaking my link to an article about South Dakota's new anti-drug campaign. Apparently someone in the government thought that it was clever.

Sorry mods--if this picture violates ECF rules, I'll be happy to delete it, but it's an official billboard from S. Dakota.

 

[Eskie]

And speaking of saving the children and ad campaigns.

n/m I think ECF is breaking my link to an article about South Dakota's new anti-drug campaign. Apparently someone in the government thought that it was clever.

Sorry mods--if this picture violates ECF rules, I'll be happy to delete it, but it's an official billboard from S. Dakota.

I've seen that. Not nearly as clever as when they first thought it was.

 

[Rossum]

And speaking of saving the children and ad campaigns.

n/m I think ECF is breaking my link to an article about South Dakota's new anti-drug campaign. Apparently someone in the government thought that it was clever.

Sorry mods--if this picture violates ECF rules, I'll be happy to delete it, but it's an official billboard from S. Dakota.

I think they need to tweak that ad a bit.

 

[stols001]

Oh, the American Dental Association is gonna be next. "Flavors give you cavities ESPECIALLY teens with their sensitive teeth." Sigh.

That billboard reminded me of the "Virgin. It's not a dirty word," campaign.

I was like.... Whut?

Anna

 

[DaveP]

ECF vapers have tested and used just about every mainstream vaping configuration. So far, no ECF member has had an issue that I've heard about. I don't consider teens vaping THC with a vitamin E acetate component to be traditional vapers. They have twisted the intended use of vaping hardware into something that can be fatal. Apparently, the people who sell such items aren't knowledgeable about safety in vaping.

Anyone know who started the THC/vitamin E acetate fad?

 

[Baditude]

I don't consider teens vaping THC with a vitamin E acetate component to be traditional vapers. They have twisted the intended use of vaping hardware into something that can be fatal. Apparently, the people who sell such items aren't knowledgeable about safety in vaping.

Anyone know who started the THC/vitamin E acetate fad?

To the best of my knowledge, it was amateurs looking for a thickener to cut with their homemade THC. THC can be made by different processes, and the cheapest one to make is thinner in viscosity than the more expensive method typically made in legal dispensaries, so that experienced consumers of THC can easily do a visual "drop test" to determine what quality the THC is before buying it on the street. So in effect, the cheaper version with vitamin E acetate looks exactly like the more expensive version sold in dispensaries, having a similar viscosity. There is no way to determine the difference visually unless the specimens are tested in a lab.

My perspective on the THC Vape health issues (cannabis lab director)

 

[LoveVanilla]

Anyone know scheduled time for today's WH meeting?

Maybe not first but popularized by Honey Cut. LA based. Followed by several other copycats. While street dealers sped up distribution, HC at least had scruples to recall from distributers.

 

[DaveP]

To the best of my knowledge, it was amateurs looking for a thickener to cut with their homemade THC. THC can be made by different processes, and the cheapest one to make is thinner in viscosity than the more expensive method typically made in legal dispensaries, so that experienced consumers of THC can easily do a visual "drop test" to determine what quality the THC is before buying it on the street. So in effect, the cheaper version with vitamin E acetate looks exactly like the more expensive version sold in dispensaries, having a similar viscosity. There is no way to determine the difference visually unless the specimens are tested in a lab.

My perspective on the THC Vape health issues (cannabis lab director)

Maybe legalization is the right thing to do in the current climate. Alcohol has certainly caused more issues than the green stuff. Legalization would in involve government inspection and testing and review of procedures in handling and distribution control with something like a government stamp or other marking to identify legal FDA approved and inspected products for those who are licensed to sell.

 

[AttyPops]

Anyone know who started the THC/vitamin E acetate fad?

Burn-outs and their dealers.

Maybe legalization is the right thing to do in the current climate. Alcohol has certainly caused more issues than the green stuff.

We're legalizing the green here, and we're still hit with this "epidemic" of burn-out related lung disease. Might be timing, but I think even CA has this. Even CO has had some limited cases. I think it's exclusive to THC use too, e.g. CBD users probably don't have this issue.

The price diff between street and dispensary is BIG. "They" often buy off the street.

We need a better name for this. Don't let the CDC/FDA name it! Counter the "vaping" part of the name!

How about
TURD - THC Use Related Disease
TRIPT Disease- THC Related Inflammation [of ] Pulmonary Tissues
...
Add yours here

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe legalization is the right thing to do in the current climate. Alcohol has certainly caused more issues than the green stuff. Legalization would in involve government inspection and testing and review of procedures in handling and distribution control with something like a government stamp or other marking to identify legal FDA approved and inspected products for those who are licensed to sell.

It sounds like you are Making a Conditional statement.

That Legalization might be the Right things to Do. But it might be right as long as Government Regulations provided certain Safeguards.

I heard Many outside of the ECF make the Same type of Statements before Deeming was Finalized. And my reply was Always, I not Summarily Opposed to All Regulations per say. But Shouldn't we Define what, Exactly, those Regulations will be before we start Equating Good or Bad to doing something?

Verses the Pelosi method of Passing it 1st, and then trying to Figure Out how it is supposed to Work?

 

[MacTechVpr]

I would no sooner put a scalpel in the hands of such jackals. Argue the basis first. You can make nothing work without defined purposes and accountability. Perhaps that is the "intent". Pelosi is plausible deniability.

Good luck all.

p.s. Sorry the late edit Z.

 

[DaveP]

It sounds like you are Making a Conditional statement.

That Legalization might be the Right things to Do. But it might be right as long as Government Regulations provided certain Safeguards.

I heard Many outside of the ECF make the Same type of Statements before Deeming was Finalized. And my reply was Always, I not Summarily Opposed to All Regulations per say. But Shouldn't we Define what, Exactly, those Regulations will be before we start Equating Good or Bad to doing something?

Verses the Pelosi method of Passing it 1st, and then trying to Figure Out how it is supposed to Work?

We here at ECF know the safe methods to vape. The some of the fledgling public are flying by the seat of their pants without guidance.

I used alcohol as a parallel issue because of the problems caused by prohibition. Once the federal government regulated alcohol and required inspection of facilities and procedures the problem with people going blind from the methanol in home brew alcohol went away. Methanol is removed during the distillation process in legally regulated liquor manufacturing and testing is required and documented for records inspection. Home brewers were clueless about how to manufacture safe liquor during prohibition. We see similar issues with uninformed teenagers using vitamin E acetate.

 

[WorksForMe]

Trump set to meet with tobacco executives, vaping advocates and public health groups

 

[zoiDman]

I used alcohol as a parallel issue because of the problems caused by prohibition. Once the federal government regulated alcohol and required inspection of facilities and procedures the problem with people going blind from the methanol in home brew alcohol went away. Methanol is removed during the distillation process in legally regulated liquor manufacturing and testing is required and documented for records inspection. Home brewers were clueless about how to manufacture safe liquor during prohibition. We see similar issues with uninformed teenagers using vitamin E acetate.

I hear what you are say'n. And in Many respects I agree.

The Problem is when someone first looked at something like the Deeming of e-Cigarettes, it doesn't seem all that bad. And Most would Agree that some Oversight is needed.

But what we Ended Up With is a Far Cry from even Reality. And we became a Victim of our Own System. A System that is supposed to make things Better.

Why is Legalization at the Federal Level and the Subsequent Regulations going to be Different this time around? And why wouldn't Fed Regulations usher in another crooked system of PMTA's which only Big THC can afford/satisfy?

BTW - Who is even going to Regulate THC? Coast Guard?

LOL

 

[Bronze]

Trump set to meet with tobacco executives, vaping advocates and public health groups

Truthfully, I'm more interested in this meeting from the standpoint of educating Trump on the devastating effect of Deeming more than I am on convincing him that a flavor bans sucks. Both, however, are important. But I see this as an opportunity to make him aware that Deeming will kill jobs (and people) even more than a flavor ban. I have to believe our advocates will take advantage of this opportunity to do just that.

 

[Astron]

Truthfully, I'm more interested in this meeting from the standpoint of educating Trump on the devastating effect of Deeming more than I am on convincing him that a flavor bans sucks. Both, however, are important. But I see this as an opportunity to make him aware that Deeming will kill jobs (and people) even more than a flavor ban. I have to believe our advocates will take advantage of this opportunity to do just that.

I wonder how these meetings work. Does each group go in one at a time? Is there a Q & A? Or does each group just present a “case”? I wonder in what order they will speak, who gets the last word, etc. I believe those logistics will influence POTUS’ decision.

 

[Uncle Willie]

zoiDman .. THC commercially available extraction equipment has been available for some time now within the USA ..

The one thing that I wonder about, and I don't recall having ever seen it mentioned, is, the PV has not officially fallen under the heading of a "Smoking Cessation Device" .. along the same lines as Patches / Gum ..

I can't help but think that could be some eventual endgame .. if the PV was "deemed" a "Smoking Cessation Device", what would the landscape look like at that point .. ??

 

[englishmick]

Truthfully, I'm more interested in this meeting from the standpoint of educating Trump on the devastating effect of Deeming more than I am on convincing him that a flavor bans sucks. Both, however, are important. But I see this as an opportunity to make him aware that Deeming will kill jobs (and people) even more than a flavor ban. I have to believe our advocates will take advantage of this opportunity to do just that.

A complete flavor ban could be almost as destructive as Deeming. It would shut down the B&M's which are the main source of hardware and juice for most vapers, and probably cause a major reduction in the number of vapers. I guess some on-line sellers could get by just selling hardware and tobacco flavored juice to the remaining customers. Probably many of them are like the shops, making a lot of their profit from juice.

You could argue that the current attack on flavors might help us, at least if the flavor ban is stopped. It brings the serious consequences of shutting down vaping out in the open ahead of the Deeming date. By the time Deeming comes up the politicians will have already been forced to factor that in. It appears that they were completely unaware of the consequences and the resulting uproar until the last few weeks. Without the flavor ban rumpus we would have gone into the Deeming starting from scratch. It might have also educated a lot of vapers who had no idea what was coming.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Maybe the smoking gun has been uncovered, "Easy To Get Around Vaping Laws"? Or maybe I'm too old to remember how things really go... Does seem the consequences of underage sales are way, way too low.

(cross-link)

 

[Uncle Willie]

I believe that the current debate over bans is a "smokescreen" .. (no pun intended) .. and that the upcoming Deeming is fully known by the Powers That Be .. so, even if no flavor ban takes place now, all they have to do is wait until next year and simply push the blame off on the FDA ..

How FDA is Regulating E-Cigarettes