Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I had not bathed in 2 days I was doing EVERYONE a favor. Well, yeah 2 days. About to do yoga.
I might add I work in a pedes office and lots of people "cross' for treatment. I do get all the vaccines I can but Walmart is not scary.
NOW YOGA!
Anna
I might add I work in a pedes office and lots of people "cross' for treatment. I do get all the vaccines I can but Walmart is not scary.
NOW YOGA!
Anna
you think That's what explains all of it?
And what % of your roots are Russian?
Regarding the import of Russian wives to US, why do you want to close it?
I believe there is a law against the monopoly on the market.
Also, ain't it a part of the big American Dream: US job/salary, German car and Russian wife?
Also, ain't it a part of the big American Dream: US job/salary, German car and Russian wife?
Russian wives can be very high maintenance. The German car is a bargain in comparison. You need more than a job and a salary. But the investment can provide an excellent rate of return.
If this is true, I am an abject failure. I was self-employed [look at me I'm doin' nuthin all day], I have and had a Japanese car and truck and married an exquisite American wife.
I am so ashamed.
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If this is true, I am an abject failure. I was self-employed [look at me I'm doin' nuthin all day], I have and had a Japanese car and truck and married an exquisite American wife.
I have a friend who is married with the Russian wife, not complaining much. (or maybe he's not allowed to complain anymore).
Are US wives low(er) maintenance? (you're a 3 times expert, right?)
And how many Russian wives have you had so far?
looks like "save a game" feature is working for you.
And how many Russian wives have you had so far?
looks like "save a game" feature is working for you.
Never had a Russian wife myself, but I saw a guy on TV who had one. Didn't actually see him, he was murdered.
I've had 2 American wives. The first one used to give me funny looks sometimes, but I kept the knives hidden in the back of the drawer.
I have a friend who is married with the Russian wife, not complaining much. (or maybe he's not allowed to complain anymore).
Are US wives low(er) maintenance? (you're a 3 times expert, right?)
And how many Russian wives have you had so far?
looks like "save a game" feature is working for you.
After three American wives there was no way I could afford a fourth Russian. If only I had just put that money aside and waited..........
She appears to be a slightly more attractive version of the freshman freshperson freshwoman in congress from New York. Seems slightly less exophthalmic.
Vape shops or really everyone in the business that doesn't intend to be "big vape" ought to be promoting black market right now. They ought to be "we" and we ought to be organized about it going forward. When shops close, it truly affects us the consumer, more than them. I say the survivors, be they black market operators, deserve whatever profit/revenue comes their way. Pretty soon, I think a vast majority of us will be in resistance mode. Except for the hoarders who will be hard to distinguish from major black market operators.
If FDA is saying all products that are unapproved are illegal, then sure I fully understand it is vape distributors that will be targeted, but it's also us that are users of illegal products. To think of it as only "them" that needs to worry is IMO operating (or using) in an industry and being steps behind the political reality. If fending for ourselves is the goal, and there's no unity on our side, then I'll take the FDA, FTW.
But since I'm confident there will be a black market, all regulators and those who support their stance are ultimately screwed. It'll be funny, to me, when their side gets hurt in raids and such.
If FDA is saying all products that are unapproved are illegal, then sure I fully understand it is vape distributors that will be targeted, but it's also us that are users of illegal products. To think of it as only "them" that needs to worry is IMO operating (or using) in an industry and being steps behind the political reality. If fending for ourselves is the goal, and there's no unity on our side, then I'll take the FDA, FTW.
But since I'm confident there will be a black market, all regulators and those who support their stance are ultimately screwed. It'll be funny, to me, when their side gets hurt in raids and such.
It’s illegal to sell, not to possess. You can have 30 L of nic in your fridge and it’s legal. Use is legal, so long as not in banned public areas where smoking is already banned (true in most states there may be some public place exceptions out there). Mixing up 30 ml and selling it to your neighbor and it’s illegal.
Don’t accept credit cards.
Don’t accept credit cards.
Would be difficult to know for sure who's selling and who's not. I'm sure all actual black market sellers will claim it is for person use only. If I were a hoarder, I'd be awfully quiet about my stash, as just one person could make the (false) claim you are/were a seller. In fact, it could be a good way to blackmail someone. Ya know, if we're fending for ourselves and all.
Well, given nicotine itself is for now legal, I don’t think possession with intent to sell would stand up like it does for illegal drugs. They’d probably need to make a sting buy from you, so don’t sell to strangers.
Every ban or restriction I’ve read about refers to sales, and all I’ve read about statutes or regulations that are in effect or have been proposed, do not restrict personal use.
That said, I would agree bragging to people who know where you live that you have a 50 year supply of nic in the freezer would be poor judgement.
Everyone should read this:
https://www.fda.gov/media/133880/download
I don't remember the exact date it was published, but it was sometime this month, so it can't be much more than 10 days old. I'm sure it's been linked here before, but I just got to reading it in its entirety this evening.
The FDA is now taking the attitude that every "deemed" tobacco product that hasn't had a PMTA approved is on the market illegally, and it's all a question of enforcement priorities. They're basically saying they can decide to enforce against any such product anytime they want, whether the PMTA submission deadline has passed or not.
But they also say that even after May 12, 2020, that,
So they're basically admitting that they can't really shut it all down due to a lack of resources.
Gray market indeed.
In my quick review of introduction and background of the Jan. 2020 guidance, they are zeroing in on youth use. Unless I'm mistaken, it has been not legal for any (or vast majority of) high schooler(s), or younger to use the products. Why that isn't made more clear in the guidance and in any discussion/article relating to this is simply bizarre IMO. It tells me that clueless adults will continue to be clueless after May 2020 about youth use. It tells me the FDA's mandate to prevent youth tobacco use, is doomed to fail.
I rejoice. I don't love the idea of kids using, but I definitely see it as a good thing in the war on vaping, for the consumer base to be as large as possible. This silly notion of throwing kids under the bus cause that will magically make the market better for adults is laughable. By the current processes in place, there is literally zero chance of preventing all youth usage. After May 2020, it'll likely be seen by a decent percentage of (semi-intelligent) minors, as wise to lie about any questions regarding vape use. I'm guessing many already do (lie).
FDA Guidance says:
Such lies will work well in the pro-nicotine vaping side of the equation going forward. The intelligent minors will realize the FDA is either lying or incompetent when it comes to whatever it is they are up to.
FDA repeats numerous times in it's Guidance:
Of course there is justification for the flavor ban, ya know, cause kids say they like the flavors. Very rarely in the Guidance, does it mention that adults also like the flavors. Leaving that information out, and really leaving it out without the monumental relevancy it has to the overall issue of legality of vaping products, is to me why every vaper ought to consider themselves at war with the federal government. Put out BS like this Final Guidance, and expect people (marketers) to work with you? Sure some will, but I hope most don't. I hope the black market begins to explode. I do hope youth use increases. Disagree with that, let's debate. I won't be shy.
It'd be one thing if FDA was this big bureaucratic dogmatic agency seeking to enforce de facto bans on the products we enjoy using. If it were only that, I'd give us a walloping 10% chance of survival (on the legal market) after May 2020. But the war is truly between us and all anti-vaping entities, be they individuals or well known agencies (i.e. AHA, TFK, etc). With them in the mix, whatever compromises that either are present in the Guidance or will be made between recent past and May 2020, are IMO temporary. From anti side, they will seek to undermine that at all turns. Menthol may be allowed for a short while, but anti side will be seeking to ban that ASAP. Probably are already.
Thus this idea that we as vapers ought to be helping curtail youth usage, and limit kid friendly flavors, and blah blah blah, is all nice superficial BS, but again, you'd lose a debate if you entered into one with anyone being reasonable. Pick your sides, but here on the forums, sorry, I'm done being shy and compromising with people that show up clueless on what's really at stake.
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