Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Redbird11]

Wow! Thanks!

If it's true that higher nic concentrations degrade faster, limited freezer space is the overriding constraint. i've looked into getting a small dormitory freezer but, even with one, enough 24 mg/ml would take up more than the space available. There's just no way to power a large chest freezer here.

I am in the same situation, I cannot have a large stand alone freezer due to not having room at my place for one. I might look to see if there is a mini freezer that I could stick in the back of a closet or something.

 

[Katya]

Wow! Thanks!

If it's true that higher nic concentrations degrade faster, limited freezer space is the overriding constraint. i've looked into getting a small dormitory freezer but, even with one, enough 24 mg/ml would take up more than the space available. There's just no way to power a large chest freezer here.

If freezer space is an issue, consider 200 mg/ml. Just be very careful with it. It's potent. Wear gloves. Don't get it in your eyes.

 

[Territoo]

100 mg/ml all the way. i wish someone made 200

Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers has 250mg/ml

 

[Javichu]

I am way, way, way, way, WAY more antisocial than you. Having to interact with people every week?!

Every week? oh you poor thing,for me it's every day.
Social services,pharmacy,supermarket,doc appointments(i go in representation of my pops if he is tired) ,drive pops to dialysis (tuesdays,thursdays and saturdays),etc,etc.
I'm a social butterfly per nature,lived in different countries while growing up,probably gone to 15 different schools so yeah i had to be outgoing when growing up because i was always the new kid.
Think as me as a military brat but without chip on his shoulder (no offense to military brats,was just a joke )

Ha! That's how I smoked while working. I had an ashtray like this next to my computer:

Eventually, there'd be a burnt-out cigarette in each slot.

Wow!! Even the same ashtray,this is spooky.
I broke so many glass ashtrays i ended buying the cheap plastic ones and it's exactly like that one.

Back to topic,regulations against vaping on its way here in Spain.

For now they think they are done with cigarettes since they banned menthol cigarettes from the market so they are shifting their attention to vaping.
Now the government (director of the health ministry) just declared this morning in the radio that they are looking into vaping.

Good news is that there is no mention of vaping (acetate/vitamin e) related deaths,so atleast they are smart enough not to buy into that BS.
But the way the Director spoke in the radio I'm guessing a super taxation on nic is coming our way.

Problem is they have no excuse for over taxing nicotine,with cigarettes they always used the excuse that since cigarettes make people sick they need the tax money to cover their medical expenses but nicotine doesn't make people sick,sooo

So basically the Spanish government taxing the hell out of nicotine is just a greedy way for them to make up for lost revenue since people is switching from smoking to vaping.

Now this is what really pisses me off,why not try not to tax it...heck even put some money in it and have some sort of copay system where the government chips in to lower the price of nicotine.

It is safer than smoking,it's healthier than smoking so why not incentivize it and get behind a campaign for people to switch.

This right here is what a ''smart'' government would do,greedy government just wants to tax us to death.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

100 mg/ml all the way. i wish someone made 200.

Oh higher than 10% (100 mg/ml) is available, but we're not allowed to discuss it here. Look at a few vendor websites, like MyFreedomSmokes or NicRiver. There are other places where you can get it too.

 

[DaveP]

I never really saw the benefit of using nic base higher than 100mg/ml, especially at the low 3mg/nic level mix rate that I use with my DIY juice. I guess much higher concentrations are justified for vendors who mix juice for sale and wear hazmat suits in a ventilated clean room. 1000mg/ml base goes much farther in that environment, but with the increased risk associated with highly concentrated chemicals and the hazardous fumes involved.

 

[DaveP]

When i told hubby how much less DIY liquid will cost than the pre-made, he agreed we could dedicate one drawer of our freezer to nic. Fitting a lifetime supply in there is requiring some creativity with bottle sizes and arrangements as each order arrives.
May have to invest in a dorm freezer.

I did the calculations a few years ago and based on my 3mg mix level and my 8ml daily vape juice usage a liter of 100mg nic would last me about 9 years. That seems to have held true so far. Of course, I bought and froze 4 liters of 100mg nic for overkill, so I probably won't outlive my stash. I'm close to the bottom of a 100ml bottle of 100mg nic after more than a couple of years mixing DIY juice. I'm covered for life with nic base.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Redbird11 - Walmart sells a few different small upright freezers (1.1-3.1 cu. ft.) that could fit in a closet. @Uncle got 1 for his longterm supply of nic base and has it in a closet. IIRC, he got the 1.1 cu.ft. one below.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arctic-King-1-1-cu-ft-Upright-Freezer-AUFM011AEW-White/248677244

With any freezer though, it has to have air circulating space around it. So you can't cram it at the back of a closet with other "stuff" packed all around it. You likely already knew that though.

I think I remember someone posting on a thread...that they got 5L of nic base in their 1.1 cu.ft. freezer. Can't remember if they took the shelf out and used the taller 500mL bottles, or left it in and used the shorter 240mL bottles on both shelves.

 

[Redbird11]

@Redbird11 - Walmart sells a few different small upright freezers (1.1-3.1 cu. ft.) that could fit in a closet. @Uncle got 1 for his longterm supply of nic base and has it in a closet. IIRC, he got the 1.1 cu.ft. one below.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arctic-King-1-1-cu-ft-Upright-Freezer-AUFM011AEW-White/248677244

With any freezer though, it has to have air circulating space around it. So you can't cram it at the back of a closet with other "stuff" packed all around it. You likely already knew that though.

I think I remember someone posting on a thread...that they got 5L of nic base in their 1.1 cu.ft. freezer. Can't remember if they took the shelf out and used the taller 500mL bottles, or left it in and used the shorter 240mL bottles on both shelves.

Well hey, that might end up being a possibility. It looks small enough that it shouldn't take up a lot of space. Because I hate clutter. Thanks for the info. I had seen mini-fridges that size, but not a mini freezer that small before.

 

[MLEJ]

If freezer space is an issue, consider 200 mg/ml. Just be very careful with it. It's potent. Wear gloves. Don't get it in your eyes.

Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers has 250mg/ml

Thank you!

On a related note, LNW and nearly everyone else look like they use plastic bottles. Someone here kindly suggested Nude Nicotine. They use glass bottles for long-term storage. I'm awaiting a delivery from them now, even though they charge more than others, for that reason. Nicotine Giant also looks like they use glass and also cost more. Neither offers concentrations >100. Everyone seems to agree that glass is the way it should be stored and that makes sense. Getting some glass bottles and transferring wouldn't be a problem if i ordered 250 mg from LNW, but isn't there a concern about oxygen getting in? The liquid can't displace 100% of the air and isn't oxygen a killer of nic? How does one deal with that?

Rosum said this in another thread:

About the only thing that can happen to nic in a sealed bottle is oxidation. At one point Kurt did some math estimating how much oxygen could possibly be in a bottle (both in the air in the head space and dissolved in the dilutent) and concluded that even of all the available oxygen combined with nic, the reduction in strength would be minimal.

Is the consensus that it's a non-issue?

 

[MLEJ]

Walmart sells a few different small upright freezers (1.1-3.1 cu. ft.) that could fit in a closet.

So does Home Depot.

 

[Rossum]

Someone here kindly suggested Nude Nicotine. They use glass bottles for long-term storage.

Only if you buy their Armor V1 or Armor V2 product. If you just order their regular nic base, it will come in plastic.

Getting some glass bottles and transferring wouldn't be a problem if i ordered 250 mg from LNW, but isn't there a concern about oxygen getting in? The liquid can't displace 100% of the air and isn't oxygen a killer of nic? How does one deal with that?

My tests with this indicate that there's little to be concerned with if you re-bottle in glass and keep it in your freezer. In fact, it appears to be preferable to leaving it in plastic (and that's PET plastic, which is the least permeable of the common plastics. See here.

That said, my personal stash is NN Armor V1. It definitely cost more, but it came in glass and was argon-purged when it was bottled. Is this necessary or worth it? I'm not sure.

 

[JCinFLA]

LNW and nearly everyone else look like they use plastic bottles.

The vast majority of vendors ship their nic base in various types of plastic bottles. Most of us who buy it just decant it into glass bottles with polycone lined caps that we buy online. Some vendors, like Heartland Vapes, sell them and they can usually ride along with the nic base we order, for Free S/H.

 

[MLEJ]

Only if you buy their Armor V1 or Armor V2 product. If you just order their regular nic base, it will come in plastic.

Thank you. i ordered Armor V2. The way they describe not having to open the bottles but rather drawing out the solution with syringes they include is very appealing, isn't it?

The vast majority of vendors ship their nic base in various types of plastic bottles. Most of us who buy it just decant it into glass bottles with polycone lined caps that we buy online. Some vendors, like Heartland Vapes, sell them and they can usually ride along with the nic base we order, for Free S/H.

Also good to know. Thanks. So many here speak highly of Heartland that i was going to order vg & pg from them even if not nic. Did you mean these bottles?
8oz Amber Glass Bottle

 

[Rossum]

The vast majority of vendors ship their nic base in various types of plastic bottles.

I think this is primarily because they do not want the risk/hassle of breakage in transit.

I did experience that once with a shipment that was inadequately packed.

 

[englishmick]

I have a 1.4 cu ft Avanti front opening freezer. Got it from Walmart 5 years ago. I can put eight 1/2L bottles in the bottom part. The top part is high enough for 120ml bottles, I have them in a plastic tub. Could probably cram 3 or 4 liters of them in there. That one doesn't seem to be available any more.

I've got 5 1/2 L now. Enough to see me through to 90 something.

 

[Rossum]

Thank you. i ordered Armor V2. The way they describe not having to open the bottles but rather drawing out the solution with syringes they include is very appealing, isn't it?

To me personally, it's not, because I don't mix a little at a time. I mix down an entire 125 ml bottle of 100mg base to a vaping-strength unflavored at once, them put all but one bottle of the vaping-strength unflavored back in the freezer.

 

[JCinFLA]

Did you mean these bottles?
8oz Amber Glass Bottle

Yep, those mostly and a couple of the 4oz. ones...all with the polycone lined caps shown, too. Couple 4oz. are purchased to split up 1 of the 8oz. as it's needed. Refreeze 1 of the 4oz. then and keep 1 in the fridge (or not) as a "working" bottle. That's what I've recommended to several friends I've taught how to DIY, because they make their eliquids @ 13mg, 15mg, and 24mg. They use more nic base than I do, so 4oz. kept out of the freezer is fine for them. They'll go through it faster than I do.

I personally vape 7mg finished eliquids, so I split an 8oz. freezer bottle into (1) 4oz. and (2) 2oz. (the 2oz. size I bought elsewhere). I put all but 1 of the 2oz. back in the freezer. I can make 850mLs of eliquid @ my 7mg, with that 1 2oz. bottle. When I use the second 2oz., I split the freezer 4oz. into (2) 2oz. again. One is put back in the freezer....and so on.

 

[Zazie]

It's not wrong, but it may not matter all that much if your nic is stored properly (freezer, no oxygen, no light). We were dicussing it just the other day in Rossum's big thread. Start reading here:

Yeah, I followed that discussion and at the time said to myself, "Damn." Too late now: I have decades' worth of superstrength in VG in my freezer. Everything is in glass, in the dark, and as airless as I could manage. If it degrades badly over time, I'll just have to hope I don't care/notice.

 

[Zazie]

Every week? oh you poor thing,for me it's every day.

My reality is even more different from yours: I go for weeks without seeing a soul, and in the last eight months I've left my house precisely once. Fine by me.