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Is the consensus that it's a non-issue?

I believe so--for our purposes, anyway.

You may find this conversation, in another nicotine thread, illuminating. Just hit the red arrow next to Mike's username below and it will take you there:
They are all about the same. The reason you can only get about accuracy +/- 10% is because of the molarity of the reagents used in these kits, and the lack of precision in the labware. Reagents with more accuracy (better molarity), and labware accurate to .01ml, are cost prohibitive and generally only available to laboratory circles.

From conversations with Dr Kurt:

What is the molarity of your acid? If it is labeled as 0.1M then you only have 1 significant figure, and so will have only one sig fig in the resulting nic concentration. So you cannot say, for example, 105.0 mg.mL, you could only say 100 mg/mL...or 90 mg/mL.

+/- 1% precision is HARD with titration! It requires acid standardized to at least 3 preferably 4 sig figs, as in 0.1078M, rather than 0.1M. And your volumes must be accurate to 3 or 4 sig figs too, so 5.00 mL rather than 5 mL. Otherwise you cannot really say anything to precision under about 10 mg/mL.
 

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That said, my personal stash is NN Armor V1. It definitely cost more, but it came in glass and was argon-purged when it was bottled. Is this necessary or worth it? I'm not sure.

I agree strongly. And when you think about possible tax hikes on nicotine, not to mention, also possible, bans or either selling and buying or shipping via USPS (see the latest CTA from CASAA below), totally worth it (for me). When you rebottle your nicotine base, you expose it to more light, oxygen and high temperature.

*sigh*
US - Keep Vape Mail Legal! (Reject S.1253)

Now they are proposing to completely bankrupt USPS and expose us to COVID-19. :facepalm:
 

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Thank you. i ordered Armor V2

Not my favorite. I had issues with their luer lock... But that was some years ago, when they first introduced it. I prefer argon myself, smallest bottles. Just my experience, though. You may not have a problem.
 
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It's what I'm hoping for, since I transferred my superstrength stuff into 250ml bottles, and, even filled as full as I dared, there's a little headspace.

I'm sure you are fine, Zazie. Check your nic when you take it out--if it's clear and smells clean, it's fine. AFAIK. ;)
 

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It's what I'm hoping for, since I transferred my superstrength stuff into 250ml bottles, and, even filled as full as I dared, there's a little headspace.

If your caps had the polycone liner in them...as you screwed the cap on the bottle...the cone displaced much of the tiny bit of oxygen you may have had in there. I wouldn't worry about it. IIRC, Kurt said in 1 of his posts that nic stored correctly won't "go bad", as in spoil, but may drop like a few tenths, or slightly more, in potency over a long period of time. I doubt I'll personally be able to tell the difference in nic base that's 100mg/mL with some that's 99.4mg/mL or...even lower.
 

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The only way an "ENDS" product could be exempt from the current PMTA deadline would be if it was on the market prior to the original grandfather date in February of 2007. Nothing currently on the market was, so everything currently on the market is subject to the current deadline.

This is for purposes of buying from retailers, correct? Does it apply to say me buying a Vindicator mod from a buddy? Does it apply to mods I already have bought prior to enforcement? If so that seems majorly foul, especially if they start confiscating people's gear.

Gee, might have to recall the fifth to remain silent in enforcing my second to protect my fourth. Oops, what was that twang noise? ... *hears crickets, looks off with thousand yard stare into space ... innocent blank face*

And yes, I know George Carlin explains how rights are fictional. I don't care, his opinion is just that too, an opinion. I have opinions as well, most often I flush them.
 

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To me personally, it's not, because I don't mix a little at a time. I mix down an entire 125 ml bottle of 100mg base to a vaping-strength unflavored at once, them put all but one bottle of the vaping-strength unflavored back in the freezer.

I need that formula gain to get to 18mg nic strength from your 100mg bottle. Know it's here on ECF ... somewhere. Hm. I ought to been and still do that. Been sidetracked with flavors though. *grin*

Ah, found a quick short hand formula that works 1.8 ml nicotine per 10 ml juice. Ergo a 60 ml bottle of juice requires 10.8 ml of nicotine based at 100 mg.ml.
 
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I need that formula gain to get to 18mg nic strength from your 100mg bottle. Know it's here on ECF ... somewhere. Hm. I ought to been and still do that. Been sidetracked with flavors though. *grin*
Add 285 ml of each PG and VG.
Or a total of 570ml of pg/vg to a 125ml bottle of 100mg to get 18mg.
Yield, about 695ml.
 

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Can you break that down? Explain the process? I need to see it to get it. Thank you, please. :)

I see what you're doing ultimately, just not the how you got there.
I used a ejuice calculator

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Can you break that down? Explain the process? I need to see it to get it. Thank you, please. :)

I see what you're doing ultimately, just not the how you got there.

Total desired batch ml x mg nic level desired = total target batch mg of nic.
Result devided by mg nic level = total nic ml required for batch.

Unless I've gone bonkers breathing nic through my mask.

Good luck. :)
 

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Total desired batch ml x mg nic level desired = total target batch mg of nic.
Result devided by mg nic level = total nic ml required for batch.

Unless I've gone bonkers breathing nic through my mask.

Good luck. :)

So then, ...

60 * 18 = 1080 / 100mg/ml = 10.80 ml nicotine required for a 60 ml batch with the rest being your base pg/vg and flavorings if you use 'em

,or at least in the ball park? I know it's basic algebra, I just wasn't seeing the line from A to B.

Just did it up for a 10 ml batch hypothetically, and it came out to where I expected 1.80 ml needed. I remember that from using 100 mg per ml nicotine base before.

Think that's the formula I was recalling. Thank you. :)

Key: B = Batch size
S = Strength you want to mix to
N = Nicotine strength in solution you've got
R = Required amount of nicotine solution you'll put in the batch

Formula: B * S / N = R

He charges $ for that. :)

Uh huh, now maybe I can as well. *chuckles* No, I never had any urging to go into business as related to vaping. Though I do enjoy solving problems, learning skills. Too worn out though from reckless folly and working in my youth to be of great use. I'll go squat into and be immersed in nearly any culture, observe, scribble reports and send them to Vera at 1600 PA Ave.. She does more than any of the lot, unsung secretary for ya. :)
 
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This is for purposes of buying from retailers, correct? Does it apply to say me buying a Vindicator mod from a buddy? Does it apply to mods I already have bought prior to enforcement? If so that seems majorly foul, especially if they start confiscating people's gear.
Not buying, but selling, or more specifically "marketing", which I suppose means offering for sale to the general public, or importing for that purpose.

The FDA does not have the power to regulate the private possession or consumption of tobacco products. They aren't going to hassle you for buying a mod from your buddy, and aren't going to come confiscate anything you've already got under current law.
 

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Not buying, but selling, or more specifically "marketing", which I suppose means offering for sale to the general public, or importing for that purpose.

The FDA does not have the power to regulate the private possession or consumption of tobacco products. They aren't going to hassle you for buying a mod from your buddy, and aren't going to come confiscate anything you've already got under current law.

I didn't think so, thought a double check was in order. Thank you. :)
 

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Well....we're screwed.:-x Last night, the Senate passed S.1253, which will add vapor products to the PACT act. The bill was "hotlined", which means that there was no debate and it was passed by Unanimous Consent without a vote. I think it still has to be signed by the President.

The bill bans USPS from delivering vapor products, requires adult signatures for deliveries from other carriers, and requires vendors to collect taxes. If it becomes law, it's time to buy what you need before this goes into effect.
 

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Well....we're screwed.:-x Last night, the Senate passed S.1253, which will add vapor products to the PACT act. The bill was "hotlined", which means that there was no debate and it was passed by Unanimous Consent without a vote. I think it still has to be signed by the President.

The bill bans USPS from delivering vapor products, requires adult signatures for deliveries from other carriers, and requires vendors to collect taxes. If it becomes law, it's time to buy what you need before this goes into effect.
They always wanted to collect the taxes. They'll get as addicted to the tax revenues as we are to vaping.
 

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