Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[somdcomputerguy]

Clarksburg. It would be fun to meet up, certainly although perhaps not en route this trip.

Clarksburg is about 2 1/2 hours from me, and I wouldn't want to get close to a woman that's been in a vehicle for 30 or so hours, I value my head even though it's not completely attached.. I live in Rupert now. I was living in Alderson before that, then the guy we were renting from started pocketing our rent payments instead of paying the mortgage on the house. The bank said we had 2 weeks to get out. We only had enough time to find a house here. I wish so much that I still lived in Alderson. I was only about a mile or so from the Greenbrier River, here's some pictures I shot shortly after moving there - Wvpics

 

[Rossum]

Motels have Ice makers so I could just empty one into a large cooler and like refreeze the ice packs overnight.

I don't think that will work. I suspect the liquid in those blue ice packs is not just water, but has an additive (salt? alcohol? PG?) that depresses the freezing point somewhat. If I'm correct, that would mean you can't re-freeze them with plain ice. I

 

[ENAUD]

I don't think that will work. I suspect the liquid in those blue ice packs is not just water, but has an additive (salt? alcohol? PG?) that depresses the freezing point somewhat. If I'm correct, that would mean you can't re-freeze them with plain ice. I

PG and VG don't freeze, they are very much like them blue freezer things all on their own...last time I moved, i packed all my frozen nic into coolers, it stayed very cold for days,,,and I live in NC...

 

[stols001]

I think the freezer has both a thermometer and a hole in the bottom to drain it. I may start experimenting but knowing me, it may be on the fly. Either way I will make sure it stays a mild sort of cool, which surely will be JUST FINE for 5 days or so.

No way in hell am I like putting it in a shipping container and picking it up two weeks later. I would sooner fill up a smaller cooler with ALL my liquid nic (in some sort of super hygienic container like... IDK I will figure it out) and then place the small, light break apart foam cooler in a GIGANTOR cooler filled with ice.

And I don't like rebottling things ONCE let alone twice. I think there are too many things wrong with a shipping container to list but the husband thinks he loves them because he would only have to unpack once. A) that is not true b) Yeah, let us call ahead for a month to month rental house that will accept a neurotic tiny dog that is un-housebroken (but he lives outside, mostly!) Only what if he doesn't know what to be scared of? He doesn't like coyotes or vultures but he might think a brown bear is for FUN. No. He's not that dumb. In the middle of WV. Actually that sounds like it might be more doable than some places like NY, New York but still.; No shipping container. Dude.

Anna

 

[stols001]

Also, those pics are amazing, I would be very, very sad too. Wise words, although my husband might PAY you to take me away for like an hour or two (even a half hour if he was very desperate) and you could pretty much name your price for the cost of a cup of coffee and a TON of words. LOL.

Actually we will be trading off, I will drive my car, and the husband will tell me I can drive the truck "sometimes' and that "time" will never happen.

Anna

 

[Katya]

So I have a ton of snus (someone suggested dry ice for that and I suppose I could, I mean it's a biggish stash but it would fit in a cooler in my car.

Don't worry about snus. Snus is hardy and very forgiving. Just try to keep it as cool as you can. If it fits in your cooler, fine, if it doesn't, don't sweat it (no pun intended).

My nic? I still have to buy some more bottles and like transfer some which I am (obviously) going to do soon.... Any thoughts on keeping it cold or will it have a more or less negligible effect since it is a one time thing?

Vendors ship nicotine year round. Some of it gets stuck in hot warehouses or in unrefrigerated trucks (and some of it arrives a bit oxidized). You can control your environment much better than the shippers. Keep it as cool as possible.All the above recommendations from my learned colleagues are good. But don't kill yourself and DH in the process to protect your stash.

 

[Katya]

I don't think that will work. I suspect the liquid in those blue ice packs is not just water, but has an additive (salt? alcohol? PG?) that depresses the freezing point somewhat. If I'm correct, that would mean you can't re-freeze them with plain ice. I

I keep my blue cool gel packs in the freezer always for road trips with food and emergencies. They are perfectly reusable and re-coolable. Hospitals and medical offices often use disposable, one-time use cold packs that you squeeze to activate and toss when they get warm--they are convenient because they don't have to be stored in the freezer and you don't have to worry about contamination.

 

[Katya]

I did not know that, by then it really wont matter anymore, unless the date gets moved again.

KAS

What matters to me is what happens if/when the FDA starts banning (or rather rejecting) PMTAs en masse--even if they move the date again or not. Sooner or later they will have to start dealing with those PMTAs. We've been living and thriving on borrowed time for 10 years. It can't go on forever--or can it?

I'd gladly pay more for shipping--I just want my vaping gear to be accessible and legal. I don't want to be a criminal, I don't want to break any laws, I just want to vape in peace. It took me a very long time to find my vaping sweet spot. What are we going to do if everything we use now suddenly becomes outlawed by FDA?

 

[BillW50]

I don't want to be a criminal, I don't want to break any laws, I just want to vape in peace.

Sadly, if you live in America, it appears you are most likely already a criminal.

If you reside in America and it is dinnertime, you have almost certainly broken the law. In his book Three Felonies a Day, civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate estimates that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day. This toll does not count an avalanche of other laws — for example misdemeanors or civil violations such as disobeying a civil contempt order — all of which confront average people at every turn.​

Decriminalize the Average Man | Wendy McElroy

 

[Rossum]

PG and VG don't freeze, they are very much like them blue freezer things all on their own...last time I moved, i packed all my frozen nic into coolers, it stayed very cold for days,,,and I live in NC...

The blue freeze things that I have do freeze solid. This makes sense, since a phase-change allows them to maintain a constant temperature for much, much longer than just a chunk or bag of something that's cold but doesn't involve a phase change.

 

[DaveP]

I concur. Right at this moment, I'm vaping unflavored liquid made from nic base I got over six years ago. It had not changed color, and developed no off smell at all. I see no reason why that would change in another six years or another 12, or however long it stays in the freezer.

I had one 100ml bottle stored at room temp years ago that did turn a yellow/gold. it still tasted fine, but with a little more robust tobacco flavor. I vaped it all with no issues. That said, I prefer nice clean nic. I can add tobacco flavor if I want it.

 

[stols001]

Well true enough for the nic. I just hate I will be moving it in the dog days of summer. If I ever get my next disability check though, I am also gonna get a liter or gallon of nic depending on my mood. I don't know that I need it, but unpacking and repacking our items has taught me I possess many items that I do not need so much, I have not missed them in several years, honestly.

I hope my nic stash lasts me many years to come, however. This is worth a bit of ice to me.

I agree with you about the snus, that won't be much of a big deal, honestly. I have had snus lose flavor but not potency from coming across an old tin of something etc. It is nice when it is all plump from the freezer though.
Anna

 

[Katya]

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[AvaOrchid]

Help Nixologists!

I will probably (oh I hope) be traveling from AZ to WV. It's about a 30 hour driving trip. It will probably be a U Haul truck driven by us although the husband is also considering a shipping container which I am not so much a fan of (although both options suck.

So I have a ton of snus (someone suggested dry ice for that and I suppose I could, I mean it's a biggish stash but it would fit in a cooler in my car.

My nic? I still have to buy some more bottles and like transfer some which I am (obviously) going to do soon.... Any thoughts on keeping it cold or will it have a more or less negligible effect since it is a one time thing? I guestimate about 4.5 hours of driving but like, where on earth would I pick up dry ice on the way? I mean would it be good for the glass bottles anyway? Would they get too cold and shatter? Should I just pack it near the front and empty out the water and add ice every day?

What to do? Help? The freezer won't really be an issue. There are a few paltry meat products in there now, but like, nothing really major....

Opinions welcomed.
Anna

I'm not entirely certain if there will be degradation because it has already been stored for a significant amount of time but I imagine if I probably wouldn't be that severe especially if you can control the temperature to at least human habitable temperature. If you're over concerned there are little coolers that plug into the cigarette lighter of a vehicle I'm not sure how cold they get but I think it would be less messy than ice and maybe you can get some kind of converter for if you need to make any hotel stops

 

[stols001]

I think the scale of the freezer and 27 liters (more or less) of nic, then drawn and quartered and wrapped and put back in their boxes and all like, well, I think the scale of that may be escaping you.

The entire Chest Freezer would not fit in my CAR no, not even with the seats down, it might well be too heavy to like, tow behind me on my car because we do have a small "heavy freight" trailer but we would have to be able to put better tires on it than like the ones we have which are not high way rated.

It's a good thought, but kind of think of the whole thing as 26 gallons of milk only twice the volume and not EVEN less thanhalf the weight because of all the glass, wrapping, insulating so you don't like uh, break the glass.

Would you attempt to keep that a) in a cooler in your car and b) cold, by use of the CIGARETTE lighter in said car?

I know. It's really difficult to imagine all that nic in one place, but I have indeed amassed that much (Thank YOU AGAIN HEARTLAND VAPES) because the women in my family live to be elderly. So, I'm only 46. I am NOT about to run out. In fact, l am considering buying MORE except I can't decide if it should be before or after. Before, probably.
Anna

 

[kas122461]

I think the scale of the freezer and 27 liters (more or less) of nic, then drawn and quartered and wrapped and put back in their boxes and all like, well, I think the scale of that may be escaping you.

The entire Chest Freezer would not fit in my CAR no, not even with the seats down, it might well be too heavy to like, tow behind me on my car because we do have a small "heavy freight" trailer but we would have to be able to put better tires on it than like the ones we have which are not high way rated.

It's a good thought, but kind of think of the whole thing as 26 gallons of milk only twice the volume and not EVEN less thanhalf the weight because of all the glass, wrapping, insulating so you don't like uh, break the glass.

Would you attempt to keep that a) in a cooler in your car and b) cold, by use of the CIGARETTE lighter in said car?

I know. It's really difficult to imagine all that nic in one place, but I have indeed amassed that much (Thank YOU AGAIN HEARTLAND VAPES) because the women in my family live to be elderly. So, I'm only 46. I am NOT about to run out. In fact, l am considering buying MORE except I can't decide if it should be before or after. Before, probably.
Anna

Okay, you have 27 liters, that I am pretty sure that is more then me. I think I have around 18 liters (I have to go threw my records again) I just went threw my records and was missing some, I guess I need to do a physical inventory. I am not sure how long your travel plans will take, but I would pack everything in the blue ice thingy's, and just not worry about it.

KAS

 

[stols001]

I think you are probably right. I mean, 30 hours driving that's like 5 days on the road max (when we drive, we drive) so I doubt it would take more than a bunch of ice packs, thrown on in there to keep things cold enough.

I keep meaning to like reduce my nic, this next nic base (that is in the College size Fridge, LOL, with all my flavors but I am much less worried about THAT other than spillage.) I am GOING to because I get to crack open another liter. Nothing wrong with a nic reduction. Reducing flavors has kinda taught me that.

I just don't want to be too stressed, too soon after like, you know, switching jobs and homes and all. It appears it will DEFINITELY happen. Soon to be determined.

But, it's not like I don't have TONS of really super strong white snus, super strong SNUS, and SNUS.

Um. It also appears I AM your black market, guys. Some peeps on this forum are gonna be running out of nic and I will be all, "Hell no, or for 10K and written apology on ECF:" Some peeps I gonna be like, "SURE you can have some nic."

Some peeps gonna be like, "I would rather KILL myself than even DREAM of accepting this bies nic. "

Now as long as we are all in the same factions and communicate via PM (it is the black market after all) we should you know, be fine.

LOL I would never enter into an unlawful purchase though. Unless it was for a police sting. So you'll have to decide if I like you, too. I'm usually pretty clear about this however, you should be safe.

Anna

 

[Javichu]

I think you are probably right. I mean, 30 hours driving that's like 5 days on the road max (when we drive, we drive) so I doubt it would take more than a bunch of ice packs, thrown on in there to keep things cold enough.

I keep meaning to like reduce my nic, this next nic base (that is in the College size Fridge, LOL, with all my flavors but I am much less worried about THAT other than spillage.) I am GOING to because I get to crack open another liter. Nothing wrong with a nic reduction. Reducing flavors has kinda taught me that.

I just don't want to be too stressed, too soon after like, you know, switching jobs and homes and all. It appears it will DEFINITELY happen. Soon to be determined.

But, it's not like I don't have TONS of really super strong white snus, super strong SNUS, and SNUS.

Um. It also appears I AM your black market, guys. Some peeps on this forum are gonna be running out of nic and I will be all, "Hell no, or for 10K and written apology on ECF:" Some peeps I gonna be like, "SURE you can have some nic."

Some peeps gonna be like, "I would rather KILL myself than even DREAM of accepting this bies nic. "

Now as long as we are all in the same factions and communicate via PM (it is the black market after all) we should you know, be fine.

LOL I would never enter into an unlawful purchase though. Unless it was for a police sting. So you'll have to decide if I like you, too. I'm usually pretty clear about this however, you should be safe.

Anna

Beware my fellow ECF brothers and sisters...DO NOT GO IN THE VAN!!

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Well a pre-welcome to West Virginia Anna, and Anna's other half, and Anna's third half (is he moving here too?).

 

[stols001]

Thanks! No he stays in CO. I wanted to drive up to visit them but I can't. He will come on a plane soon or whatever he does. My mom did not want me to risk sickening her (although people around me have not been dropping like flies) but I was super sick then not antibodies. I could try for the T-cell test but after a bit it gets kinda "meh."

Anna