Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Interesting discussion about Cole-Bishop vs. HR2058.

Turns out that even our leaders don't quite understand the provisions of the bills.

But it looks like they will issue a new CTA (supporting Cole-Bishop) at the best time for it to be most effective.

Fingers crossed.

I'm just watching the replay on youtube, and this is so depressing. After hearing Demetri say not a few hours earlier that we should just focus on Cole-Bishop...now on plumes CASAA is saying both equally; and I'm getting the vibe that "they" don't really like Cole-Bishop and are going full force with HR2058.

Alex seems like a great guy, but one guy full time makes up CASAA? I don't even have words for all of this. It's clear there is disagreement between factions, and this needs to end now. Seriously, we're screwed if these people don't get it together.

 

[Katya]

Not really single issue. Excessive regulation is a multi-headed monster.

Out of control government is my single issue. And yes, it is a multi-headed monster. Enough is enough. I'm not a child and do not wish to be treated like one. I'm an adult, I work, I pay taxes, I obey the law, and I vote.

And vote I will. Wisely.

 

[Katya]

I'm just watching the replay on youtube, and this is so depressing. After hearing Demetri say not a few hours earlier that we should just focus on Cole-Bishop...now on plumes CASAA is saying both equally; and I'm getting the vibe that "they" don't really like Cole-Bishop and are going full force with HR2058.

Alex seems like a great guy, but one guy full time makes up CASAA? I don't even have words for all of this. It's clear there is disagreement between factions, and this needs to end now. Seriously, we're screwed if these people don't get it together.

Actually, I'm less depressed than I was before I listened to the podcast.

Alex Clark is CASAA's Legislative Director (appointed in January, IIRC). Here's CASAA's Board of Directors (needs to be updated, BTW):

CASAA Leadership

Yes, they are all volunteers and they do need support, financial and otherwise. Julie, Kristin, Elaine and Micheal all started here, as rank and file ECF members. They are extremely dedicated to our cause.

Stefan Didiak is also a member here--great guy. He helped us fight CA anti-vaping legislative assaults. Add we had many successes, in the past.

Now, wrt to Cole-Bishop, it's clear to me that Julie didn't understand that Cole-Bishop was just as permanent as the original HR 2058. Cynthia explained it clearly. Maybe that was the main reason why CASAA was so reluctant to fight for it. I like what Alex said about timing a Cole-Bishop CTA correctly for most impact--closer to the actual vote. That makes sense to me.

Oh, I really like Ms. Cynthia Cabrera. She's a smart cookie.

 

[Coldrake]

Alex seems like a great guy, but one guy full time makes up CASAA?

No.
CASAA Leadership
Board of Advisors
CASAA Volunteer Staff
Plus about 150,000 members.

 

[The Ocelot]

Oh, I really like Ms. Cynthia Cabrera. She's a smart cookie.

I like her too. I didn't know who she was until I listened to her interview on VP Live. I was impressed.

 

[StormFinch]

Now, wrt to Cole-Bishop, it's clear to me that Julie didn't understand that Cole-Bishop was just as permanent as the original HR 2058. Cynthia explained it clearly. Maybe that was the main reason why CASAA was so reluctant to fight for it. I like what Alex said about timing a Cole-Bishop CTA correctly for most impact--closer to the actual vote. That makes sense to me.

Oh, I really like Ms. Cynthia Cabrera. She's a smart cookie.

I like her too. I didn't know who she was until I listened to her interview on VP Live. I was impressed.

I got the privilege of meeting Cynthia at what I believe was their first D.C. meeting to stump on the Hill. A friend of mine owns a SFATA member business and needed a "second". Cynthia is definitely good people: smart, high energy, very well put together, and she really cares about us despite the fact that she is neither a smoker/ex-smoker or a vaper. By the end of the meetings I was singing the praises of SFATA and don't even own a business.

Tweety, I also got the feeling that maybe the last of what CASAA had been objecting to was solved right there on camera. I'm wondering if part of it wasn't that there was the repeated mention of the Cole-Bishop having something to do with flavors before the text was available, and partially they thought it was just a band-aid measure.

 

[Lessifer]

Hopefully Robino sees this or perhaps one of you knows....wouldn't it be helpful if CASAA had more volunteers? Could this be done from anywhere or do you need to live in a certain area? Seems like a lot of work with limited staff/resources.

Assuming things haven't changed since the last time I talked to Julie about 6 months ago, they definitely can use more volunteers. They are primarily on Facebook now, so you'd have to go there.

Now, wrt to Cole-Bishop, it's clear to me that Julie didn't understand that Cole-Bishop was just as permanent as the original HR 2058. Cynthia explained it clearly. Maybe that was the main reason why CASAA was so reluctant to fight for it. I like what Alex said about timing a Cole-Bishop CTA correctly for most impact--closer to the actual vote. That makes sense to me.

Oh, I really like Ms. Cynthia Cabrera. She's a smart cookie.

They do know their membership pretty well so yes they do tend to try to time things for maximum participation. It often leaves those of us who think about this stuff every day feeling like there's no movement, but we're probably part of the 9000 who have submitted testimonials, out of the 160,000 members.

I feel a little better knowing that there is a plan beyond extending the predicate date, and that they're already working on it. I understand why they won't give details, but my biggest complaint with them has always been that when they don't tell us anything, I feel like nothing is happening.

That and I still don't like that they force me to go to FB.

 

[Lessifer]

I got the privilege of meeting Cynthia at what I believe was their first D.C. meeting to stump on the Hill. A friend of mine owns a SFATA member business and needed a "second". Cynthia is definitely good people: smart, high energy, very well put together, and she really cares about us despite the fact that she is neither a smoker/ex-smoker or a vaper. By the end of the meetings I was singing the praises of SFATA and don't even own a business.

Tweety, I also got the feeling that maybe the last of what CASAA had been objecting to was solved right there on camera. I'm wondering if part of it wasn't that there was the repeated mention of the Cole-Bishop having something to do with flavors before the text was available, and partially they thought it was just a band-aid measure.

Well, it is a bandaid measure, but so is hr 2058. But yes, it seemed like they thought the amendment was not as permanent as 2058. They never said not to support either one though, they just haven't put out a CTA for the amendment yet.

 

[Katya]

I got the privilege of meeting Cynthia at what I believe was their first D.C. meeting to stump on the Hill. A friend of mine owns a SFATA member business and needed a "second". Cynthia is definitely good people: smart, high energy, very well put together, and she really cares about us despite the fact that she is neither a smoker/ex-smoker or a vaper. By the end of the meetings I was singing the praises of SFATA and don't even own a business.

Impressive gal.

Tweety, I also got the feeling that maybe the last of what CASAA had been objecting to was solved right there on camera. I'm wondering if part of it wasn't that there was the repeated mention of the Cole-Bishop having something to do with flavors, and partially that they thought it was just a band-aid measure.

Right! Wires crossed somewhere? Not surprising, really, considering the amount of paperwork they have to go through and analyze. I'm just glad they are going to issue a CTA in support of Cole-Bishop. I already responded to the HR2058 CTA 3 times... I need a new one!

 

[StormFinch]

Assuming things haven't changed since the last time I talked to Julie about 6 months ago, they definitely can use more volunteers. They are primarily on Facebook now, so you'd have to go there.


They do know their membership pretty well so yes they do tend to try to time things for maximum participation. It often leaves those of us who think about this stuff every day feeling like there's no movement, but we're probably part of the 9000 who have submitted testimonials, out of the 160,000 members.

I feel a little better knowing that there is a plan beyond extending the predicate date, and that they're already working on it. I understand why they won't give details, but my biggest complaint with them has always been that when they don't tell us anything, I feel like nothing is happening.

That and I still don't like that they force me to go to FB.

I agree with you on FB, unfortunately I think it's a necessary evil though. As mentioned, they tried to make it here and it just wasn't working. I'm betting it was even worse on other forums, and even their own BB got no traffic. Since there's really no other social arena with as large a gathering of people... we're kinda stuck.

 

[Katya]

They do know their membership pretty well so yes they do tend to try to time things for maximum participation. It often leaves those of us who think about this stuff every day feeling like there's no movement, but we're probably part of the 9000 who have submitted testimonials, out of the 160,000 members.

Well, I did, some time ago.

I feel a little better knowing that there is a plan beyond extending the predicate date, and that they're already working on it. I understand why they won't give details, but my biggest complaint with them has always been that when they don't tell us anything, I feel like nothing is happening.

The biggest problem with that is that people get impatient and rumors start spreading... And accusations. And all kinds of other bad things.

That and I still don't like that they force me to go to FB.

I'm still refusing--as long as I have you.

 

[StormFinch]

Well, it is a bandaid measure, but so is hr 2058. But yes, it seemed like they thought the amendment was not as permanent as 2058. They never said not to support either one though, they just haven't put out a CTA for the amendment yet.

Right, I meant band-aid as in temporary compared to H.R. 2058. I questioned them about the Cole-Bishop and was told there were some reservations, but they weren't saying no, don't support it. They basically were, at the time, leaving it up to each individual and hoping extra support would aid the movement of 2058.

 

[Katya]

agree with you on FB, unfortunately I think it's a necessary evil though

 

[Katya]

I agree with you on FB, unfortunately I think it's a necessary evil though. As mentioned, they tried to make it here and it just wasn't working. I'm betting it was even worse on other forums, and even their own BB got no traffic. Since there's really no other social arena with as large a gathering of people... we're kinda stuck.

Well, they still have a forum here. I just wish they'd post something once in awhile. But I understand that it's getting difficult.

 

[StormFinch]

Don't facepalm me Katya. You're lucky to have Les, you should see some of the garbage. If it wasn't for the large advocacy movement I'd have dropped my account by now. As it is, some days I feel like if I see one more uninformed person posting their "opinion" I'm going to hunt down FB's servers.

 

[StormFinch]

Frack, almost 5 am again... *sigh* I gotta try and sleep. Have a good whatever it happens to be for you in your individual time zone.

{{{Tweety}}}

 

[Lessifer]

Don't facepalm me Katya. You're lucky to have Les, you should see some of the garbage. If it wasn't for the large advocacy movement I'd have dropped my account by now. As it is, some days I feel like if I see one more uninformed person posting their "opinion" I'm going to hunt down FB's servers.

Yeah, I take one for the team.

To me, the people here are here because we care about vaping, so we may be a smaller group, but we're (IMO) more likely to participate.

With FB, you get the people who are on there all day, every day, and they may happen to go by the casaa group. Not saying there aren't very dedicated people there also, but it's a bit like the new members forum here. Lots of people flying through who don't bother to read before posting, and as I've said before, it's a PITA to actually find something you're looking for there or hold a true dialog.

I understand not being able to have an active presence here, I just wish they would post updates. I try to pass things along when they are important, but I tend to stick to certain threads/subforums.

 

[Katya]

Don't facepalm me Katya. You're lucky to have Les, you should see some of the garbage. If it wasn't for the large advocacy movement I'd have dropped my account by now. As it is, some days I feel like if I see one more uninformed person posting their "opinion" I'm going to hunt down FB's servers.

My sweet Finch Sister! I wouldn't dream of facepalming you. I'm facepalming FB. But I do understand that it's a very useful tool. I may join just to be able to pester Zeller and the FDA.

 

[Katya]

Frack, almost 5 am again... *sigh* I gotta try and sleep. Have a good whatever it happens to be for you in your individual time zone.

{{{Tweety}}}

{{{{Stormy}}}}

Night, y'all.

 

[Katya]

You're lucky to have Les

Oh, and yes, I am. Very lucky.

Go back to bed, Les!