Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Katdarling]

A little note from #16...

 

[Bronze]

I Don't Really Care if it is Chest Thumping, or Party Slamming, or Personal Re-Election Stumping.

We've Got so Few in Power who are Even willing to say anything Positive about e-Cigarettes. Let Alone, Do Something. Even if that Something has a Slim Chance in Hell of Working.

If think People have got to Start Facing the Fact that if the Courts are our Only Option, that that Might Not Happen for a Very Long Time.

Because a Protracted Court Battle(s) could last Longer than a Filling Period for a PMTA for ENDS.

And If Something doesn't happen with This Congress, it might not happen in the Next.

It gives us attention, albeit little attention. That is worth something. But it wont do anything tangible to stop the FDA. Legislation and litigation are our best hope at this time. A new president/FDA in 17 has merit too.

 

[budynbuick]

I don't know what you all are taking away from this. Johnson says nothing about his authority to force the FDA to do anything. I fear his letter (demands) were merely political posturing for the anti "Big Gov" regulation crowd in general. Sure it's nice to hear somebody thump the same bible every now and then but if their bark is "toothless" then stop stringing us along.

Thanks Zman for posting this.

I don't know Sen Johnson's heart but some call this the "loyal opposition". Makes me recall the "Contract With America' back in 94.

 

[zoiDman]

It gives us attention, albeit little attention. That is worth something. But it wont do anything tangible to stop the FDA. Legislation and litigation are our best hope at this time. A new president/FDA in 17 has merit too.

New Legislation would be a Very Uphill Road. But if there was a Finding of Oversight, that would make this Easier. With a Finding of Oversight, Congress could Also threaten the FDA with Reduced Funding.

Funny How Funding could be Used to Achieve a Goal. And that is Why I Included it in one of Factors when I said earlier that Big Money was Involved.

 

[budynbuick]

A little note from #16...



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Coming from a man that trampled all over the Constitution!

 

[DC2]

I don't know Sen Johnson's heart but some call this the "loyal opposition".

I'm not sure if you have listened to the interview or not...
But if you haven't you should, and you might change your mind...

I have never been one to be easily fooled, and this guy sounds for real.
Granted, I can't say I've never been fooled, but it's pretty hard to fake his passion.

It seems to me he's been itching to pick a fight...

 

[crxess]

But I'm still in the "It Aint Over Till it's Over Crowd."

FACT!

One of the Few in all this mess.

 

[budynbuick]

This is rabidly becoming a political nightmare. I for one am stepping back, I will continue to follow any directives from CASAA in a effort to be apart of an organized movement to address this issue. I have pretty much amassed enough to take care of my vaping needs beyond my life expectancy, but I will continue adding until such time as I can no longer. Too many of our crowd already believe the gov't has our best interest at heart and whole heartedly support the same bunch that have brought this to us now! We gave them this power either through direct vote or nonchalance. It was all roses and wine when it was someone else they were trying to control or take a right from, now look where we are. As always though what goes around comes around! Time will tell the truth.

The people that lead the masses will always reflect the people they lead. The crooked leaders come out of crooked people. Sow to the wind, reap the whirlwind! Its harvest time.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

New Legislation would be a Very Uphill Road. But if there was a Finding of Oversight, that would make this Easier. With a Finding of Oversight, Congress could Also threaten the FDA with Reduced Funding.

What glaring oversight could they possibly find that would be a show stopper?. (Careful: think like a politician now). Yes, there's the obvious economic impact but that’s nothing new with the FDA. And in the minds of the majority, as demonized as this industry is... how hard do you think they want to save it? With November looming, I certainly wouldn't make "vaping" part of my stump speech.

Again, Johnson is going nowhere with these antics. He even tips his hand at about 7:00 when Vicki point blank asks what he would do about it:

“…of course you have to go through the courts… and the wheels of justice turn very slowly…”

He even lumps vaping with all the evils of the FDA because it won't stand by itself.

 

[crxess]

PMTA Draft Guidance Webinar
6
Who Submits a PMTA?
•
Persons seeking a marketing authorization
order under section 910(c)(1)(A)(i) of the
FD&C Act
•
The draft guidance proposes a policy of
limiting its enforcement of the
requirements of section 910 to finished,
regulated tobacco products.

Seems to me..............only Cig-a-likes aply to this statute

 

[Talyon]

I haven't given up hope either but I think the Ron Johnson thing is really nothing more than chest thumping.

So, whats wrong with chest thumping.

Hope is hope, the more the better.

 

[zoiDman]

What glaring oversight could they possibly find that would be a show stopper?. (Careful: think like a politician now). Yes, there's the obvious economic impact but that’s nothing new with the FDA. And in the minds of the majority, as demonized as this industry is... how hard do you think they want to save it? With November looming, I certainly wouldn't make "vaping" part of my stump speech.

Again, Johnson is going nowhere with these antics. He even tips his hand at about 7:00 when Vicki point blank asks what he would do about it:

“…of course you have to go through the courts… and the wheels of justice turn very slowly…”

He even lumps vaping with all the evils of the FDA because it won't stand by itself.

Oh I dunno.

Like maybe calling 0mg a "Tobacco Product" and requiring it to have a Warning Label that says "Made from Tobacco"?

Or perhaps the "Intended Use" wording that Lumps About anything that has a Vowel in its name as a Tobacco Product?

Or it could be that the FDA did Not Accurately Report the Impact on Small Businesses that all this would Cause?

Or it might be shown that the Costs of a PMTA is in Fact a de facto Ban?

Or that the FDA did Not consider Current Health Studies such as what the UK Health Ministry has Released?

Can I Stop Now?

 

[budynbuick]

I'm not sure if you have listened to the interview or not...
But if you haven't you should, and you might change your mind...

I have never been one to be easily fooled, and this guy sounds for real.
Granted, I can't say I've never been fooled, but it's pretty hard to fake his passion.

It seems to me he's been itching to pick a fight...

I must admit I didn't listen to Sen J but I have heard many,many impassioned pleas that sounded sincere over the last 5o Yrs. I have also heard it said politician's would make great actors. Sen J may very well be sincere but there is no way to tell by gauging his passion. dem·a·gogue. also dem·a·gog n. 1. A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace. I'm also leery of a Sen that is looking to pick a fight. JMO

 

[budynbuick]

So, whats wrong with chest thumping.

.

Yea, Gorillas do it!

 

[crxess]

And PROOF this is a De Facto Ban:

Protection of the Public Health
910(c)(2)(A).
FDA is required to deny
applications where “there is a lack of a
showing that permitting such tobacco
product to be marketed would be
appropriate for the protection of the public
health”

Has anyone read through all this?

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/UCM277665.pdf

 

[Talyon]

Yea, Gorillas do it!

Gorillas are cool, but hope is needed.

 

[crxess]

I'm also leery of a Sen that is looking to pick a fight.

Not me...........I'd like to see a few Bloodied Noses in DC

 

[The Ocelot]

Unfortunately, it's hard to see how nonsmoking, nonvaper would suddenly become concerned over regulation. The strongest argument will not be individual choice or rights, but rather long term harm reduction.

I think, ultimately, that is the strongest argument, but we need to come up with as many different ways to say it as we can. Non-smokers and non-vapers need to be made to feel this situation is relevant to them.

 

[The Ocelot]

Posted to Late night - John Oliver - For consideration:

Where did you send it?

 

[classwife]

Non-smokers and non-vapers need to be made to feel this situation is relevant to them.

Yes, everyone has a loved one or friend that smokes !