Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Due to another run-in with an anti-vaping bully, my friend and I refer to my e-cig as my "smoking machine." This woman in one of my cycling groups send me a very nasty e-mail (coward much) stating that I should take my smoking machine far away from the group due to it being dangerous. Needless to say no one else in the group was/is bothered by it, and confirmed she's just a bully. But now we call it my smoking machine. I think I'm going to get a steampunk wrap for my pico, because that is what it calls to mind for me.

Honestly, with these deeming regulations, my fear is being ostracized again. I spent enough time having to hide somewhere to smoke, and really don't want to have to go back to that.
Email her back and ask what led her to this conclusion. Then cite all the positive studies that you know have been done. If nothing else, it should shut her up. Hopefully.
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I like that one!

Due to another run-in with an anti-vaping bully, my friend and I refer to my e-cig as my "smoking machine." This woman in one of my cycling groups send me a very nasty e-mail (coward much) stating that I should take my smoking machine far away from the group due to it being dangerous. Needless to say no one else in the group was/is bothered by it, and confirmed she's just a bully. But now we call it my smoking machine. I think I'm going to get a steampunk wrap for my pico, because that is what it calls to mind for me.

Honestly, with these deeming regulations, my fear is being ostracized again. I spent enough time having to hide somewhere to smoke, and really don't want to have to go back to that.
Print Several copies of this out. Hand out these Copies at your next meet up that She is in Attendance.
Make certain She is not First or last, but receives a copy, with others in view.

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Actually he does. In a very unlikely but plausible scenario. What if momentum were to build "just enough" for Johnson to somehow actually pull off a win in a couple swing states...and also pull votes away from both Clinton and Trump...and make it impossible for them to get 270 electorals?

Then the nomination is decided by the House. Who do they vote for? GOP controlled house would commit political suicide by giving it to Clinton...and it's a way out for giving it to Trump. The Senate could nominate a GOP VP and the House could give the POTUS to Johnson.

It sounds insane but it's hypothetically possible. And this election has been pretty much insane since the beginning. I ruled Trump out the second he announced.

I know politics arent supposed to be talked about ITT. But the regs issue is political unfortunately. My State is as blue as the ocean. Doesn't matter who I vote for. The Electoral votes are going to the Dems no matter what. I voted for Johnson in 2012 and I will again. If we really are unhappy with the current 2 party lesser of 2 evils choices then only way for a 3rd party to become a legitimate threat is to make them a threat in the polls. This won't happen in one cycle or even 3. If it doesn't start somewhere we can complain all we want about the status quo but since we aren't trying to change it then complaining about it is pretty weak and useless.
I understand your reasoning. Personally, I don't want a third party. Just means one more party of corruption. I want no parties.
 

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Print Several copies of this out. Hand out these Copies at your next meet up that She is in Attendance.
Make certain She is not First or last, but receives a copy, with others in view.

She is the type of person that if it wasn't e-cigs, she would find something else she didn't like about me. I'm sure you've all encountered similar! I just failed to acknowledge any of it, kept doing my thing, and she hasn't said a word again. Her purpose was to upset me, I decided not to play the game.

What I usually do is explain if people ask and are curious. Otherwise, I just keep my mouth shut. I know I don't want to hear about people's veganism, crossfit, gluten intolerance, etc. and I figure they don't want to hear about my vaping. ;)
 

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Wonder if ebay will clean sweep on 8/8?
I mean, despite a "policy" of no tobacco and in theory no vaping, there's at least 60,000 listings for RDA's, tanks and mods. It might be almost funny if they took a $500 fine on each item.
FDA sends a "warning letter" first though.
Dear Ebay, you will be subject to $30,000,000 in fines if you don't figure out the difference between a dripper and a dripper.
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Wonder if ebay will clean sweep on 8/8?
I mean, despite a "policy" of no tobacco and in theory no vaping, there's at least 60,000 listings for RDA's, tanks and mods. It might be almost funny if they took a $500 fine on each item.
FDA sends a "warning letter" first though.
Dear Ebay, you will be subject to $30,000,000 in fines if you don't figure out the difference between a dripper and a dripper.
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It will be interesting to watch, but I don't think eBay has the resources to police every listing. There's lots of other rather dark gray stuff on eBay that has nothing to do with vaping. They take individual items down when notified, but it's like playing whack-a-mole.
 

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It will be interesting to watch, but I don't think eBay has the resources to police every listing. There's lots of other rather dark gray stuff on eBay that has nothing to do with vaping. They take individual items down when notified, but it's like playing whack-a-mole.
I bought a jug of roof cleaner off of ebay a month back. According to the FDA, since my roof is attached to my house which is used to vape in then my roof cleaner is a tobacco product and therefore not allowed to be sold on ebay.
 

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I'm wondering why the FDA hasn't been asked why they continue to allow tobacco cigarettes to be sold in spite of the fact that they contribute to 43,000 deaths per year and 8,600,000 smoking related illnesses caused by smoking.

CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Vaping is rated at 95% safer than smoking, yet they are attacking the industry because, "We don't know what's in it". They know. Protecting tobacco settlement payments is key.

UK research finds vaping is 95 percent safer than smoking

We are caught in a fight to protect payments to state governments that aren't spending the money on required advertising to educate their citizens on the hazards of smoking.

Spending on Anti-Smoking Education Slips - Education Week
 
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Well, sure - but that was settled already. The whole internet is OBVIOUSLY a tobacco product, as millions of people use it to learn how to get their gear working:

"any software or assembly of materials reasonably expected to alter or affect the tobacco product's performance"

Good job Bronze, now eBay is also a tobacco product.
 

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Well, sure - but that was settled already. The whole internet is OBVIOUSLY a tobacco product, as millions of people use it to learn how to get their gear working:

"any software or assembly of materials reasonably expected to alter or affect the tobacco product's performance"
Had a cat who used to knock my juice bottles off the desk. I guess she was a tobacco kitty.
 

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I'm wondering why the FDA hasn't been asked why they continue to allow tobacco cigarettes to be sold in spite of the fact that they contribute to 43,000 deaths per year and 8,600,000 smoking related illnesses caused by smoking.

CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Vaping is rated at 95% safer than smoking, yet they are attacking the industry because, "We don't know what's in it". They know. Protecting tobacco settlement payments is key.

UK research finds vaping is 95 percent safer than smoking

We are caught in a fight to protect payments to state governments that aren't spending the money on required advertising to educate their citizens on the hazards of smoking.

Spending on Anti-Smoking Education Slips - Education Week
Not sure if your question is serious (sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet). Anyway Congress didn't empower the FDA to ban cigarettes or to require approval of anything on the market as of Feb. 2007.
 

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Not sure if you're question is serious (sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet). Anyway Congress didn't empower the FDA to ban cigarettes or to require approval of anything on the market as of Feb. 2007.
Right. Congress knows darn well that banning cigarettes would go over about as well as Prohibition did.

The irony of the sanitation we're in is that they might actually be able to get away with it in another generation or so, if they let vaping thrive.
 

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It will be interesting to watch, but I don't think eBay has the resources to police every listing. There's lots of other rather dark gray stuff on eBay that has nothing to do with vaping. They take individual items down when notified, but it's like playing whack-a-mole.

Will Definitely be an interesting Watch.

I personally have purchased Chemicals - NOT for Sale to Consumers and Banned for use in several States.
I am also of the belief many Laws are written to Protect IDIOTS from THEMSELVES.:glare:
 

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Not sure if your question is serious (sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet). Anyway Congress didn't empower the FDA to ban cigarettes or to require approval of anything on the market as of Feb. 2007.

BINGO!
Nothing New is absolutely protected if it can (under Zeller) Relate back to 2007 - Key word - NEW.
Nothing Old(pre- Feb. 15, 2007) Can be Banned or even ordered limited in sales volume, or further restricted by the FDC - i.e. is protected.

While the FDA can create a :censored: Storm over New innovation, the Very most the FDA can do to Grandfathered Tobacco is:
1) continued incremental Tax Increases(have to protect Fed./State Revenues)
2) Spend Millions on Anti-Tobacco use campaigns.
3) Waste Millions on Tobacco Research Backing Ad Campaigns covering already Established Scientific proof of the Dangers of Smoking.

I wonder just how astronomical the Total output of $$$ US Dollars $$$ is on informing an already informed public rather than Cracking down on Child Smoking/Possession Violations through the Wallets and livelihood of Complicit Adults.

With Health groups included I would venture to Guess - Billions? o_O

We have a much more economical solution :D
 

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Not sure if your question is serious (sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet). Anyway Congress didn't empower the FDA to ban cigarettes or to require approval of anything on the market as of Feb. 2007.

My question was both serious and tongue in cheek on the reasons that tobacco cigarettes are given a free ride. You'd think that intelligent people in government would realize (and I think they do) that a dangerous product (cigarettes) has been left alone in favor of continuing payments to states while a relatively safe alternative is being beaten to the curb.

The big money tobacco corporations continue to enjoy privileges while the relative new comer (ecig) is being prevented from endangering the big tobacco money that's earmarked for the state settlements. It's a nasty game of political control. They realize the eventual demise of big tobacco as people switch to ecigs and have obviously been told to level (or tilt) the playing field.

I'd love to be a roving fly on the wall in the capitol building.
 
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I like that one!

Due to another run-in with an anti-vaping bully, my friend and I refer to my e-cig as my "smoking machine." This woman in one of my cycling groups send me a very nasty e-mail (coward much) stating that I should take my smoking machine far away from the group due to it being dangerous. Needless to say no one else in the group was/is bothered by it, and confirmed she's just a bully. But now we call it my smoking machine. I think I'm going to get a steampunk wrap for my pico, because that is what it calls to mind for me.

Honestly, with these deeming regulations, my fear is being ostracized again. I spent enough time having to hide somewhere to smoke, and really don't want to have to go back to that.

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