For this we have to thank all those e-cig companies that used to (and still do!) advertise that one carto equals 1 pack of cigarettes.
We have brought this upon ourselves.
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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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For this we have to thank all those e-cig companies that used to (and still do!) advertise that one carto equals 1 pack of cigarettes.
We have brought this upon ourselves.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about online purchases.
Either way, it's a mess.
I Don't Think Not Voting was the Refusal to Participate Involvement that Rossum was Referring to.
In Fact, I believe Rossum would be one of the Last to ever say that Not Voting is viable.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about online purchases.
Either way, it's a mess.
No Worries. And you are 100% Correct. This is turning into a Huge Mess.
I'm still confused about the term "freebase nicotine". Some sources say that the higher PH nicotine is what's called 'freebase' and others say it's the lower PH.It would be there to freebase the nicotine.
Either way, lowering the PH accelerates nicotine absorption, I think. Do you know if that's correct? (They add Hydrochloric Acid, but whether or not enough is added to significantly lower PH, I have no idea.)
What are going to do with PACT? It's the law. They can't just pretend it doesn't exist, can they?
Maybe they can....
I'm Someone Else. I once volunteered to pay for the whole shebang by killing or being killed. I say they can go see how well llamas fit up their respective rectums sideways.
sounds like their approach was all wrong... no surprise. innovation comes from the people/users not from corporations. its also the reason the FDA/BT/BP hate us.. we found a solution to a problem,, millions of the vape community tweaked/toyed with the equipment of the day,, until we have the stuff we have today. i am just so grateful to all of them,, because vaping would likely not have succeeded with me due to the products available just a few years ago,,,,,,today,, its pop into a shop/go online and bingo your in business with little effort/work. sure there is learning afterwords........but 99% of the time you can find someone on a message board or youtube to get you out of a jam.
What are going to do with PACT? It's the law. They can't just pretend it doesn't exist, can they?
Maybe they can....
Yeah... But what does the PACT act say about Selling Tobacco Products only at locations that 60% of the sales are from Tobacco Products? Or Bans on Beaches and State Parks? Or Bans on Flavors that aren't the "Standard 5"? Or... ?
I just want to emphasize that this bill is not law...
Actions - S.1129 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Tobacco Tax and Enforcement Reform Act
There is also this one...
Actions - S.450 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Tobacco Tax Equity Act of 2015
......How did we get Here?
They Told me to Quit Smoking. I did. What Now do they Want?
A debit card for each of your bank accounts, pin numbers for those cards and written, notarized authorization to withdrawal as much as they want, whenever they want would be a good start.... but you know as well as I do, even that wouldn't be enough to keep them happy for long. The problem with unbridled greed is you can -NEVER- have enough, even if you have all that's available.
Sponsor: Sen. Durbin, Richard [D-IL]
Here in Illinois, we have two Senators who support the FDA deeming (Richard Durbin-D and Mark Kirk-R), one of whom is an anti-nicotine extremist, and a leader of the misinformation/hate campaign (Durbin).
Yes, the exact wording of the individual states laws is the only way to determine if the deeming reg will immediate include our ecigs OR not on a state by state basis.
If the law says" all tobacco products" then the day they are deemed a tobacco product our ecigs will be included. But if the laws say "cigarettes" as some appear to do, then our ecigs aren't cigarettes so the laws would need to be revised. The devil is always in the details of the specific words used and because many of the written laws use "tobacco product" within the law itself many state laws aren't easy to determine if they will or if they won't include our ecigs.
Like I've said before, if we don't get an injunction its going to be a mess on 8/8/16
This progression chills me to my constitutionalist bones.
After each year, I've listed
1) the prohibited substance
2) how the prohibition was enacted
3) the final disposition of the prohibition.
1920:
1) alcohol — absolute prohibition
2) via constitutional amendment
3) repealed 1933
1937:
1) starts with "m" — de facto prohibition (required registration and tax stamp)
2) via Act of Congress signed into law by President FDR
3) declared unconstitutional 1969 (violates 5th amendment). Prohibition continued via Controlled Substances Act of 1970.
2016:
1) vaping — de facto prohibition (impossibe-to-meet approval burden)
2) via distortion and expansion of PACT Act by unelected FDA bureaucrats
3) ???
Where does this end?
After each year, I've listed
1) the prohibited substance
2) how the prohibition was enacted
3) the final disposition of the prohibition.
1920:
1) alcohol — absolute prohibition
2) via constitutional amendment
3) repealed 1933
1937:
1) starts with "m" — de facto prohibition (required registration and tax stamp)
2) via Act of Congress signed into law by President FDR
3) declared unconstitutional 1969 (violates 5th amendment). Prohibition continued via Controlled Substances Act of 1970.
2016:
1) vaping — de facto prohibition (impossibe-to-meet approval burden)
2) via distortion and expansion of PACT Act by unelected FDA bureaucrats
3) ???
Where does this end?
Yes, the exact wording of the individual states laws is the only way to determine if the deeming reg will immediate include our ecigs OR not on a state by state basis.
If the law says" all tobacco products" then the day they are deemed a tobacco product our ecigs will be included. But if the laws say "cigarettes" as some appear to do, then our ecigs aren't cigarettes so the laws would need to be revised. The devil is always in the details of the specific words used and because many of the written laws use "tobacco product" within the law itself many state laws aren't easy to determine if they will or if they won't include our ecigs.
Like I've said before, if we don't get an injunction its going to be a mess on 8/8/16
Also, you may have to go a few levels. Many state laws likely reference "tobacco product" as defined in such and such statute number. So even if it says tobacco product, if they haven't amended the definition of tobacco product it may still not apply.
Vaping kills? Maybe in the case of a negligent parent/guardian not monitoring their children and keeping ejuice out of their reach. As far as mouth to drip tip vaping goes, if vaping kills then I would have been dead long ago. Seriously folks. The only time I'm not vaping is when I'm asleep. When I was first born, I spent the 1st 3 months of my life in an oxygen tent. I had severe asthma. So I started smoking at 18. I never claimed I was the brightest crayon in the box. Anyway, I started working shortly after and they did not allow smoking on the shop floor. Soooo, when I couldn't smoke, I dipped good ole Copenhagen. On my breaks I smoked and dipped. Constant intake of nicotine. During the years I had the occasional asthma attack and lots of bronchitis. Yum yum. So then my good ole Itaste 134 yells my name in our local pawn shop. That was the 1st place where we could aquire vape gear in my area. But yea, the Itaste 134 caught my eye because it looked like a lightsaber hilt. Yes, I'm a Star Wars nerd from way back. So I figured that I would at least look cool while vaping. Then I realized that this just might be my chance to kick the cigs and dip. The transition was rough but I got through it and I'm in better health than I was 20 years ago. No asthma attacks or bronchitis. I will gladly donate my body to science after I'm done to just prove that the powers that be are full of bull butter.
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I don't think the Black Market recognizes FDA definitions as to how one Handles e-Liquids that contain Nicotine.
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