Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Lessifer]

Not to be argumentative, at all, because I agree completely, we deserve more than a few scraps tossed our direction..
But does anyone honestly think that we'll gain more than that?
I'm just really disheartened by all of this, and truthfully, losing hope with each day that passes.

I'm stocked up, so I'll be good, for a very long time, but I truly fear for those who aren't taking all this seriously.

I'll be honest and say I don't know the legal aspect of this, but to a layman the FSPTCA is all about regulating a product that is harmful to the user, and potentially others. Then you have vaping, which arguably contains no tobacco, and has not been shown to cause harm to ANYONE. So, I don't think its unreasonable to question the application of any of the TCA regulations towards vaping. That may not be pragmatic, but I believe it's what's right.

I will support any fight against any of this, but I still wish we had someone in "authority" fighting the whole thing.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

yep, I don't do well with traditional grain spirits.

Absolut for me.

 

[Wing]

But does anyone honestly think that we'll gain more than that?

Probably not. But if you start with such a low bar as your goal, you're not likely to achieve that goal in it's entirety.
Better to ask for more and receive less; than ask for little and receive even less...

 

[LoriP1702]

I'll be honest and say I don't know the legal aspect of this, but to a layman the FSPTCA is all about regulating a product that is harmful to the user, and potentially others. Then you have vaping, which arguably contains no tobacco, and has not been shown to cause harm to ANYONE. So, I don't think its unreasonable to question the application of any of the TCA regulations towards vaping. That may not be pragmatic, but I believe it's what's right.

I will support any fight against any of this, but I still wish we had someone in "authority" fighting the whole thing.

I agree.
Don't mind me, I'm just frustrated.

It's all so totally wrong, surely something will be reversed through the lawsuits, if nothing else.

Absolut for me.

 

[LoriP1702]

Probably not. But if you start with such a low bar as your goal, you're not likely to achieve that goal in it's entirety.
Better to ask for more and receive less; than ask for little and receive even less...

Like I said above, don't mind me, I'm just especially frustrated today. Guess the stress of all this is taking a toll.
...as it is for everyone.
It's just me venting. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so negative.

 

[Lessifer]

I agree.
Don't mind me, I'm just frustrated.

It's all so totally wrong, surely something will be reversed through the lawsuits, if nothing else.

Yeah, I think we're all frustrated and stressed. This whole thing is just so wrong. They don't even disagree about how good vaping is, but they continue with the attack, based on a lie, propped up by emotion. I won't go off on that tirade again, but even this lawsuit supports that attack.

 

[mattiem]

Like I said above, don't mind me, I'm just especially frustrated today. Guess the stress of all this is taking a toll.
...as it is for everyone.
It's just me venting. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so negative.

No problem Lori. We are all feeling a bit stressed lately. I actually had my melt down over in the sign this petition thread. If we don't let it out we will explode.

 

[LoriP1702]

I just feel like our voice in this is so small.
I know there are many fighting hard for this, and I've done what (little) I feel like I can, I guess I'm just emotional today.

 

[markfm]

Pages 25 - 36 contain the 8 specific Counts (complaints), and the Requested Relief.

 

[retired1]

Yeah, I think we're all frustrated and stressed. This whole thing is just so wrong. They don't even disagree about how good vaping is, but they continue with the attack, based on a lie, propped up by emotion. I won't go off on that tirade again, but even this lawsuit supports that attack.

The problem with attempting a lawsuit based on science is now you have a case of the "two experts".

Both sides will get experts that will convincingly testify how good or how bad e-cigarettes are. In the end, you have a jury who has to decide who was more convincing and which science is more believable.

Much better to challenge the deeming regulations based on existing law and how the regulations violate that law.

 

[Bronze]

I just feel like our voice in this is so small.
I know there are many fighting hard for this, and I've done what (little) I feel like I can, I guess I'm just emotional today.

When you wake up tomorrow morning you will still be able to vape. These Washington DC issues tend to ebb and flow and sway back and forth and go through all kinds of gymnastics before anything (if anything) ever changes. I suspect what we see today will not look anything like it does once everything is said and done...and that day will not be for a long while at the pace our legislative, regulatory, and justice systems work.

 

[LoriP1702]

No problem Lori. We are all feeling a bit stressed lately. I actually had my melt down over in the sign this petition thread. If we don't let it out we will explode.

Thanks.
I don't even know why it's hitting me so hard today, I'm stocked up, my life is going to change little, if any.
As it stands, I won't need to buy another thing for many, many years to come.
Maybe that's what triggered it, actually finishing the stocking up process.

But thinking about so many that are oblivious to it all, or not taking it seriously, or those who are concerned, but the folks at their B & M are telling them things will be just fine.

 

[rosesense]

I'll play the devil's advocate. I think they had to say we are in agreement with some regs. If this was prior to the hammer dropping, wouldn't be necessary but at this point, it would sound like we don't want any safety controls in place and that would not go over well in courts or government circles. I think we all knew there would be regulation, I just didn't think it would be this bad. I still hear folks saying, 'batteries can't be regulated' for years ago. Well, guess what? They can, apparently. I would not be trying to ask for more to get less, negotiating, at this point.

 

[LoriP1702]

When you wake up tomorrow morning you will still be able to vape. These Washington DC issues tend to ebb and flow and sway back and forth and go through all kinds of gymnastics before anything (if anything) ever changes. I suspect what we see today will not look anything like it does once everything is said and done...and that day will not be for a long while at the pace our legislative, regulatory, and justice systems work.

I will, and you're right, I tell myself the same/similar things you just mentioned...I guess I just don't tend to believe what I tell myself...

 

[rosesense]

Thanks.
I don't even know why it's hitting me so hard today, I'm stocked up, my life is going to change little, if any.
As it stands, I won't need to buy another thing for many, many years to come.
Maybe that's what triggered it, actually finishing the stocking up process.

But thinking about so many that are oblivious to it all, or not taking it seriously, or those who are concerned, but the folks at their B & M are telling them things will be just fine.

What helps me is remembering before any of this was happening, all of the folks I gave starter kits to and talked myself blue trying to help them quit smoking and very few actually were ready to hear it or seriously give it a go. Can't save the world, I guess. I do know that if someone needs stuff down the road, I will be able to help them since I have enough, literally, for several lifetimes.

 

[LoriP1702]

What helps me is remembering before any of this was happening, all of the folks I gave starter kits to and talked myself blue trying to help them quit smoking and very few actually were ready to hear it or seriously give it a go. Can't save the world, I guess. I do know that if someone needs stuff down the road, I will be able to help them since I have enough, literally, for several lifetimes.

True.

 

[VNeil]

When you wake up tomorrow morning you will still be able to vape. These Washington DC issues tend to ebb and flow and sway back and forth and go through all kinds of gymnastics before anything (if anything) ever changes. I suspect what we see today will not look anything like it does once everything is said and done...and that day will not be for a long while at the pace our legislative, regulatory, and justice systems work.

Your optimistic view defies the entire history of tobacco control. I wish I could believe that but I don't believe in fairy tales or... This time it will surely be different.

 

[Bronze]

I will, and you're right, I tell myself the same/similar things you just mentioned...I guess I just don't tend to believe what I tell myself...

I haven't stocked up on anything. Gear, juice, DIY, nothing...and I don't plan to. IMO it is way too early to panic. I know this puts me in the minority on this thread. But, oh well. It's just my belief that the hysteria I have seen is unnecessary at this time. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Look at what has happened with smoking over the last couple of decades or so.
In the vast majority of peoples minds vaping is pretty much the same thing.
So no reason to expect different treatment.

 

[Bronze]

Your optimistic view defies the entire history of tobacco control. I wish I could believe that but I don't believe in fairy tales or... This time it will surely be different.

I don't think I'm being optimistic (or pessimistic). I just know how Washington works and this thing is a long ways from being over. I'll be willing to bet most vapers have more to fear from their states before the feds.