Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[crxess]

Yes we all have nicotine receptors and seems some people have working ones better than others. I never did chantix either. Too scarey !

They do not want us Faster, Smarter, more agile, having Quicker reflexes.
We are the Mutants they Fear

X-smokers

 

[bigdancehawk]

The very first sentence of the preliminary statement of the petition includes the usual "we recognize the need for regulation at the Federal level". Really.
Vapers are such wussies.

Agree. I've written many hundreds of petitions/complaints in my day. Frankly, I'm not impressed. This is not where you recite the things the defendants are doing that you like. This thing is neither short nor plain. It rambles. It's weak.

 

[bigdancehawk]

The problem with attempting a lawsuit based on science is now you have a case of the "two experts".

Both sides will get experts that will convincingly testify how good or how bad e-cigarettes are. In the end, you have a jury who has to decide who was more convincing and which science is more believable.

Much better to challenge the deeming regulations based on existing law and how the regulations violate that law.

There will be no jury trial. A trial of any kind is unlikely. The court will simply review the evidence already in the FDA' s records and determine whether it's sufficient to support the deeming regulation.

 

[Vandal]

Hope for Indiana?

Gregg wants review of vaping law; Senate leaders already taking a look | 2016-06-24 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

It's fantastic to see that some politicians are scrutinizing and speaking out on overreaching vaping regulations!

 

[Eskie]

Yes we all have nicotine receptors and seems some people have working ones better than others. I never did chantix either. Too scarey !

I tried Chantix. Did nothing for my smoking, but turned me off to coffee. Go figure.

 

[DPLongo22]

I tried Chantix. Did nothing for my smoking, but turned me off to coffee. Go figure.

That's SO wrong. That's almost tantamount to making someone ambivalent about sex.





I said, "Almost...".

 

[skoony]

"(49) In August 2006 a United States district court judge found that the major United States cigarette companies have designed their cigarettes to precisely control nicotine delivery levels and provide doses of nicotine sufficient to create and sustain addiction while also concealing much of their nicotine-related research. USA v. Philip Morris, USA, Inc., et al. (Civil Action No. 99–2496 (GK), August 17, 2006)."

And here is where one of the so called lies of BT gets its start. In the process of
making a particular brand such as a Marlboro or a Winston in order to make a
cigarette with consistent taste,texture,smell and nicotine content part of the
process involved stripping out most of the nicotine and re-adding it in precise
amounts so the end product was always the same. Always the same despite
different types of tobacco and growing and drying conditions. I believe they
had it down to how much nicotine per puff quite accurately. Despite what
the court said they did not do this to make cigarettes more addictive. Smoking
cigarettes was before this process,during this process and,after this process
was addicting enough in and off it self. I smoked for 38 years. 48 years
if you count my teenage dalliances. BT never hid any of this. Then again
they didn't broadcast their trade secrets. This is just like the free basing scam.
Burning dried tobacco leaf before processing is free basing. Combustion itself
is free basing. There was and still is no compelling reason to make make
something more addictive when anti-smoking proponents have already
declared it one of the most addicting substances on Earth. It would be
a waste of time and money.

Regards
Mike

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

And here is where one of the so called lies of BT gets its start. In the process of
making a particular brand such as a Marlboro or a Winston in order to make a
cigarette with consistent taste,texture,smell and nicotine content part of the
process involved stripping out most of the nicotine and re-adding it in precise
amounts so the end product was always the same. Always the same despite
different types of tobacco and growing and drying conditions. I believe they
had it down to how much nicotine per puff quite accurately. Despite what
the court said they did not do this to make cigarettes more addictive. Smoking
cigarettes was before this process,during this process and,after this process
was addicting enough in and off it self. I smoked for 38 years. 48 years
if you count my teenage dalliances. BT never hid any of this. Then again
they didn't broadcast their trade secrets. This is just like the free basing scam.
Burning dried tobacco leaf before processing is free basing. Combustion itself
is free basing. There was and still is no compelling reason to make make
something more addictive when anti-smoking proponents have already
declared it one of the most addicting substances on Earth. It would be
a waste of time and money.

Regards
Mike

Sorry, Mike, I just don't agree with your version. I smoked sometimes 3-4 pad for a few months before I found ecigs(stress related). And I would say over the years I averaged around 2 pad. I did this for over 35 years. But technically, I started at the age of around 10 when lighting cigs for my dad.
Sometime in the early 2000's I noticed a change in the way I responded to cigarettes. Before this time I knew I could quit and did several times throughout my life. The reasons at that point for returning to smoking were never because of a physical need. After, I'd say 2002-2003 ish, I found I could not stop like I had in the past because of a physical addiction. Something had changed with the cigarettes even tho I had not changed brands, etc.
Anyway, all of this says to me that BT did 'something' to how they processed their tobacco. I have often said that I thought BT took a lesson from the drug dealers in how to hook their victims good. This is what I believe because it happened to me.
And to further say to you....if nicotine in and of itself is the evil addictive drug you claim then why are people now coming forward saying they never smoked cigarettes, and have used ecigs and have started to use nicotine in them and they still say that they can easily walk away from it without feeling like they are hooked? Nicotine is no more addicting than its cousin caffeine. The worst that has happened to me when I stopped caffeine was to have a headache for a couple of days, with no jonesing.

 

[mattiem]

I actually agree to some points of both @skoony and @Sugar_and_Spice. I agree that something changed but I don't think it was the nicotine content or the way it was taken out and then added back. For most of my smoking life I smoked about a pack a day. By the time I found and switched to vaping I sometimes smoked 2 packs or more a day. I do have to add though, After I was hooked there was never a time where I thought I could just put them down and quit cold turkey without going bonkers. Maybe I smoked more because instead of adding something they took something out. I just don't know. I am just glad that no matter what they do it doesn't affect me now.

 

[vincom]

nicotine is one of many ingredients in tobacco that can create an addiction.
but i wouldnt but past bt that they added extra "stuff" to cigs.
here in canada people are addicted to tim hortons coffee, why idk as for me its like tasting watered down coffee.
but people have been saying that they must be putting some extra "stuff" in their coffee grounds for their to be a 1hr drive thru lineup while a next door competitor w/arguably better coffee has only a 2min wait

 

[bnrkwest]

I am not as addicted to vaping as I was to cigarettes. Yes I vape more when stressed, example FDA reg!, but basically if I go to the store and forget my vape no biggy. Now cigs another story, I would stop and pick up a pack, but I don't need to stop for blue disposable just because I forgot my vape when out and about

 

[VNeil]

I actually agree to some points of both @skoony and @Sugar_and_Spice. I agree that something changed but I don't think it was the nicotine content or the way it was taken out and then added back. For most of my smoking life I smoked about a pack a day. By the time I found and switched to vaping I sometimes smoked 2 packs or more a day. I do have to add though, After I was hooked there was never a time where I thought I could just put them down and quit cold turkey without going bonkers. Maybe I smoked more because instead of adding something they took something out. I just don't know. I am just glad that no matter what they do it doesn't affect me now.

It may also be that cigarette dependency is progressive and most of us would have had a much tougher time quitting at the end of our smoking careers than at earlier times, even if nothing changed in the cigarettes.

It is also possible that govt mandated additives such as the anti-burn additive is the evil substance that increases dependency.

We are all reduced to pure speculation due to insufficient data.

 

[Kent C]

Sometime in the early 2000's I noticed a change in the way I responded to cigarettes. Before this time I knew I could quit and did several times throughout my life. The reasons at that point for returning to smoking were never because of a physical need. After, I'd say 2002-2003 ish, I found I could not stop like I had in the past because of a physical addiction. Something had changed with the cigarettes even tho I had not changed brands, etc.

wiki
According to data from the World Health Organization,[73] the amount of tobacco per 1000 cigarettes fell from 2.28 pounds in 1960 to 0.91 pounds in 1999, largely as a result of reconstituting tobacco, fluffing, and additives.

I see you read and 'liked' my post in the other thread I was going to link you to :- ) More info there...

Ecigs May Affect Genes in Airways

 

[Kent C]

I am not as addicted to vaping as I was to cigarettes. Yes I vape more when stressed, example FDA reg!, but basically if I go to the store and forget my vape no biggy. Now cigs another story, I would stop and pick up a pack, but I don't need to stop for blue disposable just because I forgot my vape when out and about

Same story here, although I did stop to pick up an 18650 when the one I was using went out. I don't 'need' any more 18650's.... lol.

 

[crxess]

Something tells me people do not think about normal physical as well as Mental changes as we age.
We lose taste for certain things we once loved. Our eye sight weans. Memory shortens. All natural changes over time. What makes anyone think how easy it is to stop smoking as one ages would be any different?

Just saying

 

[rosesense]

Not sure if this was posted already, I can barely keep up with this thread most days,

American Cancer Society Rep lies about Cole-Bishop Amendment to FDA e-cig regulations

 

[rosesense]

I know some don't like youtube but this fits with your discussion of nicotine and addictive qualities.

CASAA's Dr. Brian Carter's presentation at the Global Forum on Nicotine.

 

[HBcorpse]

And here is where one of the so called lies of BT gets its start. In the process of
making a particular brand such as a Marlboro or a Winston in order to make a
cigarette with consistent taste,texture,smell and nicotine content part of the
process involved stripping out most of the nicotine and re-adding it in precise
amounts so the end product was always the same. Always the same despite
different types of tobacco and growing and drying conditions. I believe they
had it down to how much nicotine per puff quite accurately. Despite what
the court said they did not do this to make cigarettes more addictive. Smoking
cigarettes was before this process,during this process and,after this process
was addicting enough in and off it self. I smoked for 38 years. 48 years
if you count my teenage dalliances. BT never hid any of this. Then again
they didn't broadcast their trade secrets. This is just like the free basing scam.
Burning dried tobacco leaf before processing is free basing. Combustion itself
is free basing. There was and still is no compelling reason to make make
something more addictive when anti-smoking proponents have already
declared it one of the most addicting substances on Earth. It would be
a waste of time and money.

Regards
Mike

Sorry, Mike, I just don't agree with your version. I smoked sometimes 3-4 pad for a few months before I found ecigs(stress related). And I would say over the years I averaged around 2 pad. I did this for over 35 years. But technically, I started at the age of around 10 when lighting cigs for my dad.
Sometime in the early 2000's I noticed a change in the way I responded to cigarettes. Before this time I knew I could quit and did several times throughout my life. The reasons at that point for returning to smoking were never because of a physical need. After, I'd say 2002-2003 ish, I found I could not stop like I had in the past because of a physical addiction. Something had changed with the cigarettes even tho I had not changed brands, etc.
Anyway, all of this says to me that BT did 'something' to how they processed their tobacco. I have often said that I thought BT took a lesson from the drug dealers in how to hook their victims good. This is what I believe because it happened to me.
And to further say to you....if nicotine in and of itself is the evil addictive drug you claim then why are people now coming forward saying they never smoked cigarettes, and have used ecigs and have started to use nicotine in them and they still say that they can easily walk away from it without feeling like they are hooked? Nicotine is no more addicting than its cousin caffeine. The worst that has happened to me when I stopped caffeine was to have a headache for a couple of days, with no jonesing.

I actually agree to some points of both @skoony and @Sugar_and_Spice. I agree that something changed but I don't think it was the nicotine content or the way it was taken out and then added back. For most of my smoking life I smoked about a pack a day. By the time I found and switched to vaping I sometimes smoked 2 packs or more a day. I do have to add though, After I was hooked there was never a time where I thought I could just put them down and quit cold turkey without going bonkers. Maybe I smoked more because instead of adding something they took something out. I just don't know. I am just glad that no matter what they do it doesn't affect me now.

nicotine is one of many ingredients in tobacco that can create an addiction.
but i wouldnt but past bt that they added extra "stuff" to cigs.
here in canada people are addicted to tim hortons coffee, why idk as for me its like tasting watered down coffee.
but people have been saying that they must be putting some extra "stuff" in their coffee grounds for their to be a 1hr drive thru lineup while a next door competitor w/arguably better coffee has only a 2min wait

I am not as addicted to vaping as I was to cigarettes. Yes I vape more when stressed, example FDA reg!, but basically if I go to the store and forget my vape no biggy. Now cigs another story, I would stop and pick up a pack, but I don't need to stop for blue disposable just because I forgot my vape when out and about

It may also be that cigarette dependency is progressive and most of us would have had a much tougher time quitting at the end of our smoking careers than at earlier times, even if nothing changed in the cigarettes.

It is also possible that govt mandated additives such as the anti-burn additive is the evil substance that increases dependency.

We are all reduced to pure speculation due to insufficient data.

wiki
According to data from the World Health Organization,[73] the amount of tobacco per 1000 cigarettes fell from 2.28 pounds in 1960 to 0.91 pounds in 1999, largely as a result of reconstituting tobacco, fluffing, and additives.

I see you read and 'liked' my post in the other thread I was going to link you to :- ) More info there...

Ecigs May Affect Genes in Airways

I understand both angles discussed above.

To me, it only makes sense for them to REMOVE a certain amount of the "addictive" stuff...
Because if you're getting less of a fix off each cigarette, you'll crave another.
ADDING more of the addictive stuff will only satisfy you more, and tide you over for longer.

Just like with food...if you're hungry, and you have a few crackers, it may tide you over until dinner.
But if you sit down and eat a burger, you'll be satiated for longer.
Science has shown that yes, hunger is a biological and anatomical necessity, but that when we eat, the addiction centers in our brains are just as active as when doing some "addictive" vice (smoking, boozing, [edited], etc.).
I digress.

 

[rosesense]

I have to say that I agree with Dr. Carter totally and that is why nicotine replacement therapy doesn't work well. It is the automated responses that are so difficult to stop and why vaping works so well for me. I remember quitting smoking when pregnant due to the nausea and a few months later starting back smoking every time.

 

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