Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[mpols]

I don't suppose you have any of this in a format that could be mass reproduced?

Not exactly. I have two articles that I wrote. The first is on the RCP report and I published it in the local Women's Journal. The second is on my site and addresses teen vaping. Clive Bates did a little better job here.

I used information on the comparison of battery fires and explosions to fires and deaths from cigarette fires from Dr. Brad Rodu, as well as information on the National Fire Protection Association. (They state in 2015 there were 15 hospitalizations from vape batteries explosions vs their report in 2013 that states that there were 540 deaths in 2011 from smoking fires).

My message has consistently been that we hear about the explosions, but never hear about the 540 deaths. We are immune to deaths from smoking.

Finally, I used my own research on data on infants and toddlers making a comparison to poisonings with medication and cleaning supplies. When I get a chance, I'll write an article on it.

Also, how much did it cost to bind the RCP report?

I downloaded the pdf of "Nicotine Without Smoke" to a flash drive and brought it to my local Office Max. I had them do the first two pages in color (all double sided), then spiral bound with a clear cover on front and black on back. They've been having some coupons in their circular so I've been getting them done at under $30 a piece. I probably could get them done cheaper, it's just that it was easier just bringing it in.

PM Sent.

 

[Bronze]

I used information on the comparison of battery fires and explosions to fires and deaths from cigarette fires

I had a neighbor about five years ago burn a part of their house down because she was smoking in bed. Basically took out their upstairs master bedroom. They were fortunate that is all it was. I'd like to know how many houses (and other buildings, forests, and prairies) have burned down due to cigarette smoking versus e-cigarettes.

 

[DC2]

Finally, I used my own research on data on infants and toddlers making a comparison to poisonings with medication and cleaning supplies. When I get a chance, I'll write an article on it.

I'll keep an eye out for that.
I knew you were working on that angle from the thread you started.

I downloaded the pdf of "Nicotine Without Smoke" to a flash drive and brought it to my local Office Max. I had them do the first two pages in color (all double sided), then spiral bound with a clear cover on front and black on back. They've been having some coupons in their circular so I've been getting them done at under $30 a piece.

Ouch, even at $10 apiece for binding that would be too much for mass production.

I just wish we could put a good package together.
It would make it so much easier for folks to approach their local media or politicians.

 

[LoriP1702]

I had a neighbor about five years ago burn a part of their house down because she was smoking in bed. Basically took out their upstairs master bedroom. They were fortunate that is all it was. I'd like to know how many houses (and other buildings, forests, and prairies) have burned down due to cigarette smoking versus e-cigarettes.

According to the article, the numbers they're giving are DOWN 73% since 1980.
Wow...

The Smoking-Material Fire Problem

 

[Bronze]

According to the article, the numbers they're giving are DOWN 73% since 1980.
Wow...

The Smoking-Material Fire Problem

That is a wow!

 

[LoriP1702]

That is a wow!

Yeah. That's a few years old too.

 

[mpols]

I had a neighbor about five years ago burn a part of their house down because she was smoking in bed. Basically took out their upstairs master bedroom. They were fortunate that is all it was. I'd like to know how many houses (and other buildings, forests, and prairies) have burned down due to cigarette smoking versus e-cigarettes.

I don't know how many "burned down" but according to the NFPA, 17,600 homes caught on fire in 2011. They state in 2015 that there were 2 "ignition" incidents with e-cigarette batteries (probably from charging). Neither burned down.

According to the article, the numbers they're giving are DOWN 73% since 1980.
Wow...

The Smoking-Material Fire Problem

In 2003 they started to make cigarettes differently so that they would be less likely to fully ignite. I don't know if they used chemicals, or packed them looser or what.

Ouch, even at $10 apiece for binding that would be too much for mass production.

I just wish we could put a good package together.
It would make it so much easier for folks to approach their local media or politicians.

I didn't contact any printers, I've been only making 3 at a time. While everyone's finances are different, I'm sure many of you were spending that in a week on cigarettes.

We need local CASAA groups to coordinate outreaches and pool resources. It would have to start with people you know locally, the national organization has it's plate full.

 

[Bronze]

In 2003 they started to make cigarettes differently so that they would be less likely to fully ignite. I don't know if they used chemicals, or packed them looser or what.

I heard they added another chemical. Why not, the entire thing is made of chemicals anyway.

 

[LoriP1702]

Yeah, it was a chemical additive. If you paused smoking, say during a conversation, it would go out and you'd have to relight it.
Tasted horrible too. It just ruined cigarettes.
I remember commenting one day, outside, in the freezing cold rain, hunkered under the awning, smoking that nasty cigarette after they'd put that chemical in, how stupid this was, going through all this to smoke a cigarette that they'd completely ruined.
Ah...those were the days....not.

 

[Kent C]

wiki:

Fire safe cigarettes are produced by adding six bands of fire ......ant to the cigarette paper during manufacture in order to slow the burn rate at the bands.

The bands may be made from many materials, including cellulose, other polymers or materials such as thicker bands of paper. Many patents have been registered for potential materials, including EVA polymer (ethylene vinyl acetate).

Some consumers in the United States claim they have found a noticeable difference in the taste of FSC cigarettes from non-FSC cigarettes, comparing it to a copper or metallic taste.

 

[nineironman]

wiki:

Fire safe cigarettes are produced by adding six bands of fire ......ant to the cigarette paper during manufacture in order to slow the burn rate at the bands.

The bands may be made from many materials, including cellulose, other polymers or materials such as thicker bands of paper. Many patents have been registered for potential materials, including EVA polymer (ethylene vinyl acetate).

Sounds tasty!

 

[Jingles]

Yep, I could tell when they added the FSC's (a.k.a. Carpet glue). I also hated it! One of the things that pushed me towards vaping!


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[kross8]

It may also be that cigarette dependency is progressive and most of us would have had a much tougher time quitting at the end of our smoking careers than at earlier times, even if nothing changed in the cigarettes.

It is also possible that govt mandated additives such as the anti-burn additive is the evil substance that increases dependency.

We are all reduced to pure speculation due to insufficient data.

I cant imagine forgetting my mod,, in fact I didn't notice but this morning when I went out with my in use mod,, I had tucked a Pico in my pocket.........lol,,,,,,,,,,seems like overkill just to go to Krogers

 

[coldgin96]

I live in Cleveland and my Rep is Marcia Fudge (D). I met with her local staffer on healthcare policy and her intern on Wednesday for about an hour. I gave them two copies of the RCP report "Nicotine Without Smoke" that I had printed and bound before hand. I also gave them many more articles and studies. The bad thing is that they were both completely ignorant about e-cigs and vapes, on what they were, how they worked, and that there were "vape shops". The good thing is that I did spend an hour with them. I presented the benefits of harm reduction, I introduced the objections that they would likely have as they learned more about the technology, and then I gave data to allay those fears before they even had them. By the end I think that I was able to convince both of them that vaping was benefit to society with little downside. I argued for vaping to be regulated separately from tobacco as well as argued for support for the Cole-Bishop amendment and HR 2058. Her job is to write a report and submit it to the Federal office. I will be following up with her. I wish that I had someone with me that vapes to give their story. If anyone lives in Marcia Fudge's district (Cleveland, OH), please pm me.

If you haven't called your representatives or senators yet, do so. If write a letter, hand deliver it. Try to speak to the staffers. If you live in a Dem stronghold, don't write them off yet. The science and data is out there. Assume that they are ignorant or misinformed rather than malevolent. It's been less than three months since I've gone from being suspicious (ignorant/misinformed) of vaping to becoming an active promoter for it.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Alright you got me ticked again.


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Pretty sure the N in NCI stands for NATIONAL, Not International

Just to clarify a bit. The NCI is housed within the National Institutes of Health and as a result the NIH directors office has access to a portion of those funds for funding research abroad.

 

[Eskie]

Just to clarify a bit. The NCI is housed within the National Institutes of Health and as a result the NIH directors office has access to a portion of those funds for funding research abroad.

Also, those studies generate useful data that can be clinical investigators in the US. Lots of good science and scientists abroad, might as well take advantage of that to hopefully move research forward that much faster.

 

[ZeroedIn]

I've really fallen behind on this thread, but I'm trying to catch up.

So I followed the link to the NFPA.org web site, read the article abstract, and then sent the following message to their webmaster (webmaster@nfpa dot org).

Good morning.

While viewing the abstract for your article on the following page (NFPA - Electronic Cigarette Explosions and Fires: The 2015 Experience), I noted the following statement, "Five incidents resulted in fires, three of which occurred while users were in the act of smoking and two while batteries were being charged."

The act of using an electronic cigarette, or more properly, a personal vaporizer, is commonly known as vaping. The term "smoking" implies combustion and smoke. The use of personal vaporizers produces no smoke, and there is no combustion with the proper use of personal vaporizers.

Please pass this along within your organization, and please consider changing the language to more accurately reflect the nature of the act. The term is vaping, not smoking.

Thank you for your consideration.

So, wow...!

The NFPA actually did change the language, at least on the landing page. I must say that I am surprised.

It is little things like this that will eventually chip away at the public's perception of vaping.

I just want to give everyone this news, and help start the week off with a bright spot, however little it may be.

Keep fighting, y'all!

 

[Katdarling]

 

[crxess]

Just to clarify a bit. The NCI is housed within the National Institutes of Health and as a result the NIH directors office has access to a portion of those funds for funding research abroad.

Trillions in Debt................ we need to be MORE Resourceful. Not more Spendy.
Another Agency National IH not International IH.

 

[jmur]

Yeah, it was a chemical additive. If you paused smoking, say during a conversation, it would go out and you'd have to relight it.
Tasted horrible too. It just ruined cigarettes.
I remember commenting one day, outside, in the freezing cold rain, hunkered under the awning, smoking that nasty cigarette after they'd put that chemical in, how stupid this was, going through all this to smoke a cigarette that they'd completely ruined.
Ah...those were the days....not.

Exactly! This was when my love affair with cigs began to waiver. Fortunately, vaping came along, which, at least for myself, I have no qualms about calling a bona fide miracle.