Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[coldgin96]

One night, coming home from the bar, I drove into a cloud and five hours later I drove out of it.

 

[seminolewind]

I love Ben Carson. He's smart and fair and is good in his field. But he's too nice to get into politics.

 

[seminolewind]

When President elect Trump starts to drain the swamp, we should ask him to not forget the FDA office.

 

[beckdg]

Well, in fairness, to become a pediatric neurosurgeon required him to learn an awful lot of chemistry, physics, biology, biochemistry just to get into medical school. Then getting through a pediatric neurosurgical program required tremendous intelligence and commitment. I would expect him to be able to review and interpret scientific data better than the average politically appointed non-scientific/medical nominee. If he can separate his personal beliefs from his public duty to oversee a big chunk of the medical system in the US, he is more than qualified for the task.

Logical. I'll give you that.

Though some things to consider...

Q: What do you call the person who finished bottom of his class in medical school?

A: Doctor!

In a society where, on average, electrical engineering and computer science graduates are by and large of much greater intelligence than those in the medical professions...

Often needing to intimately know, understand and migrate large, complex streams of data between several complex languages...

I'm still very apprehensive of most highly educated persons abilities to cross platforms/subjects intellectually.

Often higher education creates blinders that bind the mind to think, on a near constant basis, to thoughts within a very specific box.

The wife's uncle owns a very successful construction business. He has several garages on the property where he lives.

In all but one bay he has classic cars he's restored including one he's still working on.

All in mint condition. Every detail as good or better than the day they where first wheeled onto the showroom floor for initial sale.

Yet at their Christmas parties we meet their doctor friends from their country club.

And quite frankly their mechanical abilities leave me questioning whether they're capable of flushing a toilet without a professional to do it for them.

Let alone for the pediatrician to understand neurology, the neurologist to understand cardiology, the cardiologist to perform phlebotomy, phlebotomist to administer anesthesia etc...

At that level of education, it's a shot in the dark as to whether critical thinking of the simplest matters outside of their proverbial box is even possible.

I'm reminded of the show Are You Smarter than A Fifth Grader...

I guess what I'm saying is "more than qualified" doesn't always mean "capable".

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Well, he does have health policy experience. I don't agree with many of his positions, but he is a bright guy.



Hey, I said never neurosurgeons understand electricity.

Half the premise from which the organs and the system they "surgerize" work by.



It's an electrochemical system they maintain and "fix".

Tapatyped

 

[Eskie]

Half the premise from which the organs and the system they "surgerize" work by.



It's an electrochemical system they maintain and "fix".

Tapatyped

True. But it never works the same when try to wire some Romex in.

 

[skoony]

It is one thing to simply assert that you don’t choose to believe the science, in spite of a mountain of data supporting it. It’s another to mask your ignorance in such a disingenuous way, by using pseudo-scientific, emotion-laden arguments and trading on your professional credentials. Surely this quality, which reflects either self-delusion or, worse still, a willingness to intentionally deceive others, is of great concern when someone is vying for control of the nuclear red button.

Ben Carson's Scientific Ignorance - The New Yorker

I have been hearing a lot of talk lately about this 'Red button'.
There isn't a 'Red button'.

I am beginning to believe some might actually think one can
accidentally lean on this button with ones elbow and say oops.
Fortunately it does not work this way. Very specific things have
to take place and a lot of people have to be in agreement of
what specific plan of action has to take place before a President
is authorized to access the launch codes. Even then he is not
committed to actually ordering a launch,retroactively or,retaliatory.
DEFCON - Wikipedia

Sweet Dreams.
Mike

 

[seminolewind]

That's why it's so important for someone that knows how to work the system to get a place. I wonder if FDA is a filled position or a voted in position?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

That's why it's so important for someone that knows how to work the system to get a place. I wonder if FDA is a filled position or a voted in position?

Head of FDA is an appointed position, not a voted one, as is the head of all agencies.

 

[zoiDman]

That's why it's so important for someone that knows how to work the system to get a place. I wonder if FDA is a filled position or a voted in position?

But Doesn't that make "Swamp Draining" more Difficult?

Because Many/Most of those who Know how to "Work the System" have at least one foot in the Swamp.

 

[Slots]

Logical. I'll give you that.
At that level of education, it's a shot in the dark as to whether critical thinking of the simplest matters outside of their proverbial box is even possible.

Well ... all we can do beck is think positive
Remember, .. even Einstein had to ask if he had eaten lunch

Head of FDA is an appointed position, not a voted one, as is the head of all agencies.

Hey .. there's still hope..... Just keep the VP away of it.

But Doesn't that make "Swamp Draining" more Difficult?
Because Many/Most of those who Know how to "Work the System" have at least one foot in the Swamp.

 

[440BB]

If the president elect focuses on the big picture and has the Washington savvy VP handle the legislative details, much like George W. Bush did with Dick Cheney, then Mike Pence is in the drivers seat regarding vaping regulation. I don't expect them to do anything to the deeming regs at all.

 

[zoiDman]

...

 

[zoiDman]

If the president elect focuses on the big picture and has the Washington savvy VP handle the legislative details, much like George W. Bush did with Dick Cheney, then Mike Pence is in the drivers seat regarding vaping regulation. I don't expect them to do anything to the deeming regs at all.

I think we will do Better with Trump/Pence then we would with Clinton/Kaine. How much better is yet to be seen.

Hypothetical Question:

Say we Win on some Points of a current Lawsuit. How will having a New Administration play out in the Appeal Process?

Or in a Best Case Scenario, No Appeal is even Filed?

 

[Eskie]

I think we will do Better with Trump/Pence then we would with Clinton/Kaine. How much better is yet to be seen.

Hypothetical Question:

Say we Win on some Points of a current Lawsuit. How will having a New Administration play out in the Appeal Process?

Or in a Best Case Scenario, No Appeal is even Filed?

Hypothetical answer. First it will depend on what gets through and what's overturned. The decision to proceed with an appeal will be made at the agency's discretion (or nicopure etal. if they don't like the ruling). Which makes it basically up to Mitch Zeller. And remember, he's got all those government attorneys on salary so it's not like he has to dig into his/department's pocket to pay to appeal. Oh, and remember, he's an attorney himself. So my answer, yeah, there will be an appeal. One side or the other will be sufficiently dissatisfied for it be otherwise.

However, with the new Congress and administration it's more likely Cole Bishop will get signed, so there is that hope.

 

[zoiDman]

Hypothetical answer. First it will depend on what gets through and what's overturned. The decision to proceed with an appeal will be made at the agency's discretion (or nicopure etal. if they don't like the ruling). Which makes it basically up to Mitch Zeller. And remember, he's got all those government attorneys on salary so it's not like he has to dig into his/department's pocket to pay to appeal. Oh, and remember, he's an attorney himself. So my answer, yeah, there will be an appeal. One side or the other will be sufficiently dissatisfied for it be otherwise.

However, with the new Congress and administration it's more likely Cole Bishop will get signed, so there is that hope.

Yeah... well... Here's the Deal.

Mr. Zeller doesn't run the FDA. So I don't think Doing or Not Doing an appeal is up to Him. I would think that the FDA Commissionaire would have More Input on things than Mr. Zeller.

But the FDA is under the Control of the Health and Human Services. So the HHS Sec is (in lay terms) the FDA Commissionaire's Boss.

But the HHS Sec answers directly to the POTUS. And that will be Trump on January 20th, 2017.

So it Definitely will make things More Interesting as we move Forward. Because some the Current Players on the board might be on their Way Out.

 

[Eskie]

Don't forget Zeller is the head of the Center for Tobacco Products. I would say almost all the input would come from Zeller (and staff) as the expert(s), even if Califf needs to give a blessing for it to proceed. Having the FDA commissioner second guessing the head of an Office within the FDA would be an unusual event. Unless he thought Zeller totally up.

 

[zoiDman]

Don't forget Zeller is the head of the Center for Tobacco Products. I would say almost all the input would come from Zeller (and staff) as the expert(s), even if Califf needs to give a blessing for it to proceed. Having the FDA commissioner second guessing the head of an Office within the FDA would be an unusual event. Unless he thought Zeller totally up.

It could be.

But I don't think Mr. Zeller can make those kind of Calls. He is Actually kinda Low on the Food Chain.

There is also the Justice Department to consider.

 

[DC2]

Zeller and Califf are lame ducks.
They no longer matter.

 

[zoiDman]

Zeller and Califf are lame ducks.
They no longer matter.

There are a Lot of Mallards with Bad Legs in Washington right Now.

And something that must have been Gut Wrenching as the Returns trickled in on the 8th/9th.