Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Have to disagree a bit here.
Cigarettes are a death sentence. Freeing/pardoning tens of thousands, probably more like hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens from that should be high on the list, IMHO.
Don’t mean to exclude the world-wide smokers but your post seemed to be specific to U.S.
I fully understand that smoking is a “choice” but before vaping, I personally didn’t particularly feel as though I had much of a choice. Just like many other addicts addicted to all manner of various substances and chemicals.
I do agree with you in regards to the U.S. going down the tubes comment. Hoping for a better future.
Have to disagree a bit here.
Cigarettes are a death sentence. Freeing/pardoning tens of thousands, probably more like hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens from that should be high on the list, IMHO.
Don’t mean to exclude the world-wide smokers but your post seemed to be specific to U.S.
I fully understand that smoking is a “choice” but before vaping, I personally didn’t particularly feel as though I had much of a choice. Just like many other addicts addicted to all manner of various substances and chemicals.
I do agree with you in regards to the U.S. going down the tubes comment. Hoping for a better future.
I'm only comparing to the effects within the US as that is where the deeming regs apply and are enforceable. And sure, we all made a "choice" with that first cigarette, but once addicted, we are just like other addicts in that it's not just a matter of willpower or strength to overcome it. It requires treatment and support. That's why patches and gums and whatnot came along. To try and give smokers help in stopping. Which to me is a valid effort to improve health. It's just that, 20 years or so after those came out, there's now a more effective way to help smokers, and that for me is vaping.
And I hope for a better future too. Maybe we'll get lucky.
I'm only comparing to the effects within the US as that is where the deeming regs apply and are enforceable. And sure, we all made a "choice" with that first cigarette, but once addicted, we are just like other addicts in that it's not just a matter of willpower or strength to overcome it. It requires treatment and support. That's why patches and gums and whatnot came along. To try and give smokers help in stopping. Which to me is a valid effort to improve health. It's just that, 20 years or so after those came out, there's now a more effective way to help smokers, and that for me is vaping.
And I hope for a better future too. Maybe we'll get lucky.
LOL. Sorry Eskie I must have totally miss understood your post that I replied to because I totally agree with your opinion on this post. We agree that vaping is a life saver and saving lives is really really important.
The deeming will practically put a legal halt to all that vaping can do to save lives.
I signed the petition and commented on Trump's website. How about this, the judge plays out the string until Trump is in office then makes rulings that gut the FDA rules. Then the Whitehouse says don't appeal. Then if there are going to be restrictions Congress has to act. They bunlged by letting the FDA regulate tobacco in the first place. Let them fix their mess if a fix is needed. My argument has been all the government needs to do about vaping is nothing.
In the last month I've been checking in on several nearby vape shops. From what I can see they are too quiet and they admit business is slow. May be there are too many vape shops around here. It is a bit akward that I'm glade they are operating even though they have nothing I want to buy.
In the last month I've been checking in on several nearby vape shops. From what I can see they are too quiet and they admit business is slow. May be there are too many vape shops around here. It is a bit akward that I'm glade they are operating even though they have nothing I want to buy.
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Remember my post about the 60 day window for regs before they are enacted? Found some good new for the items on trumps to do list that also refers to the deeming tobacco regs for ecigs. Here is a partial quote from an msn article that explains why we stand a chance to vape on. Link to article
Trump Scores His First Win in Congress
"Yet Republicans might have another reason for kicking the spending fight in 2017: It could allow them to roll back more regulations enacted by the Obama administration. Under the Congressional Review Act, the House and Senate can nullify major regulations with a simple majority vote if they act within 60 legislative days of the rule’s enactment. Simply passing a stopgap spending bill now would likely lead the GOP to adjourn Congress a few weeks earlier than planned. And that would stop the legislative clock and allow the House and Senate in January to repeal regulations that went into effect earlier in 2016. (Because Congress was out of session so often this year, the window of “60 legislative days” already stretches back to May.) According to an analysis by the conservative American Action Forum, Republicans would already be able to nullify 48 major regulations in January if Congress does not adjourn early, including rules expanding overtime pay, restricting personal drone use, curtailing drilling in the Arctic Shelf, and mandating significant changes to regulations on food labeling."
I bolded the important part......
Someone please tell me if I am misunderstanding this or not, but this seems like good news for vaping.
Trump Scores His First Win in Congress
"Yet Republicans might have another reason for kicking the spending fight in 2017: It could allow them to roll back more regulations enacted by the Obama administration. Under the Congressional Review Act, the House and Senate can nullify major regulations with a simple majority vote if they act within 60 legislative days of the rule’s enactment. Simply passing a stopgap spending bill now would likely lead the GOP to adjourn Congress a few weeks earlier than planned. And that would stop the legislative clock and allow the House and Senate in January to repeal regulations that went into effect earlier in 2016. (Because Congress was out of session so often this year, the window of “60 legislative days” already stretches back to May.) According to an analysis by the conservative American Action Forum, Republicans would already be able to nullify 48 major regulations in January if Congress does not adjourn early, including rules expanding overtime pay, restricting personal drone use, curtailing drilling in the Arctic Shelf, and mandating significant changes to regulations on food labeling."
I bolded the important part......
Someone please tell me if I am misunderstanding this or not, but this seems like good news for vaping.
Heck, I'm stockpiling rice and beans and bottled water, among other essentials. This whole prepping thing can become kind of addicting
Heck, I'm stockpiling rice and beans and bottled water, among other essentials. This whole prepping thing can become kind of addicting
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I don't think that you are Misunderstanding this. But maybe your Last Line should have read like I edited it? Because there is No Guarantee that Congress will invoke the Congressional Review Act (CRA).
I have mentioned the CRA many times in this and Other Threads.
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FDA Deeming updates - VTA issues FDA regulations calendar
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But since Obama had the power to Veto it, and it was Assumed by just about Everyone that Clinton would succeed Obama, override votes were probably a Long Shot at beast, the concept of the CRA was kinda forgotten.
Perhaps now that a Veto is Less or Not Likely, the CRA would be Viable? That is, If Congress would get the Ball Rolling.
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BTW - Here is an Interesting Article from March 16th, 2016.
It’s Time for Presidential Candidates to Weigh In on the Overregulation of Vapor Products
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The way I read it was the FDA is withdrawing their deeming regulation due to Trump will be cutting down on stupid over-regulating, and this is the top of stupid- treating and regulating and deeming it tobacco- when it is actually equal to glorified fruit juice. Trump might decide that the department needs to go bye-bye. IMO
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SUMMARY:
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is confirming the effective date of September 16, 2016, for the final rule that appeared in the Federal Register of May 4, 2016. The direct final rule amends the general biological products standards relating to dating periods and removes certain standards relating to standard preparations and limits of potency. FDA is taking this action to update outdated requirements, and accommodate new and evolving technology and testing capabilities without diminishing public health concerns. This action is part of FDA's retrospective review of its regulations in response to an Executive order. This document confirms the effective date of the direct final rule
I read this as oops! They need to remove the (grandfathering), the rules involving testing, and accommodate new and evolving technology and testing without diminishing public health cconcerns. Now what "Executive Order" are they talking about. They give a reason as "outdated" requirements. (not admitting they did it)
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