Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[gerrymi]

Sorry to hear G. That is sad.

"Sad"...because I was admitted to a hospital 3 times...and Made It Out Alive???

Or "Sad"...because all the hospitals in Pittsburgh are ""We Confiscate All E-Cigarettes"???

[One my admissions was for a "beating irregularity" in my heart. I was hooked up to a cardiac monitor while they played around with various drugs/dosages to get the rate/rhythm under control.

I asked the cardiologist (who didn't know that as soon as he left the room and closed the door...I'd be pulling out my Fling and going back to vaping normally):

"I love nicotine/vaping...and from what I've read vaping has no effect on cardiac arrhythmias...but if...IF...it did..wouldn't it be wiser to try to control my rate while I'm vaping since I'll be vaping as soon as I leave this hospital?"

He said..."No!"...and left... ]

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[stols001]

I think the deal they'd probably work in a hospital is they "confiscate" your e-cig and when you ask for it upon exit, they'd tell you it's "lost" and probably one of the staff members is vaping it off hospital grounds, across the street.

I have to say the "no smoking/nic" on hospital grounds is.... pretty morally questionable, and I know the security guards hate it when they have to send some grief stricken family member packing. I do understand the "in the hospital" part if there's vapor, but the rest of it, not so much.

As far as I'm concerned, hospitals are one of the most fatal places on earth, (other than maybe Native reservations) and it's like, the BEST place to smoke.

Alas, our fair governess of AZ did not feel the same way. She's not the governor anymore, but pretty much don't have anything with nicotine on you anywhere on the grounds of a hospital in this fair state.

Anna

 

[MacTechVpr]

"Sad"...because I was admitted to a hospital 3 times...and Made It Out Alive???

Or "Sad"...because all the hospitals in Pittsburgh are ""We Confiscate All E-Cigarettes"???

[One my admissions was for a "beating irregularity" in my heart. I was hooked up to a cardiac monitor while they played around with various drugs/dosages to get the rate/rhythm under control.

I asked the cardiologist (who didn't know that as soon as he left the room and closed the door...I'd be pulling out my Fling and going back to vaping normally):

"I love nicotine/vaping...and from what I've read vaping has no effect on cardiac arrhythmias...but if...IF...it did..wouldn't it be wiser to try to control my rate while I'm vaping since I'll be vaping as soon as I leave this hospital?"

He said..."No!"...and left... ]

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Glad you made it G. No fan of hospitals. Been in too many of 'em. Mostly following after others thankfully. It's a shame life has to be any harder on any of us 'cause of the vape.

Hang tough G and g'luck.

 

[Rossum]

ALL the hospitals in Pittsburgh are "We Confiscate All E-Cigarettes" hospitals...patients and visitors...

Is there some law that allows them to do this? 'Cause if there isn't, that's outright robbery. As a privately owned public accommodation, if you bring something legal that they don't approve of, they can ask you to leave, and they can call the cops to charge you with trespassing if you refuse to leave, but "confiscate" your personal property? I don't think so!

 

[gerrymi]

Is there some law that allows them to do this? 'Cause if there isn't, that's outright robbery. As a privately owned public accommodation, if you bring something legal that they don't approve of, they can ask you to leave, and they can call the cops to charge you with trespassing if you refuse to leave, but "confiscate" your personal property? I don't think so!

Well Ross...I suspect you're 100% correct...

But...as a very wise fella' I ran across in a forum somewhere signed...“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”...

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[Kent C]

Well Ross...I suspect you're 100% correct...

But...as a very wise fella' I ran across in a forum somewhere signed...“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”...

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Robert A. Heinlein "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."

Quoted by MacTech

 

[gerrymi]

Quoted by MacTech

Actually Kent...Quoted by Rossum...that's why I thought it was somewhat humorous (but still appropriate) using it in a Reply to his post...

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[Rossum]

Actually Kent...Quoted by Rossum...

It's been my "sig" here off and on since I got here, although there have been occasions when I've replaced it with something more topical.

 

[Fidola13]

I think they're talking about the sane smokers who won't try Chantix. I wouldn't. I did try everything else though, gotta say my "best of the worst" is those nicotine lozenges, but I can't say I enjoyed them OR that they made me quit. I save them for airplane flights and etc.

Anna

I’m not able to use Chantix since I’m diagnosed w bipolar 2 so that never was an option. I guess it can cause a lot a emotional problems. Tbh I never tried any of the others either although I spent a lot of time looking at the boxes of patches lol!

 

[untar]

Mooch just mentioned possible regulations on batteries on his live stream. Is there any information on that? A quick schnoodle search didn't spit out anything useful on the FDA site apart from this video

teaching you how to report battery incidents to the FDA...

 

[zoiDman]

Mooch just mentioned possible regulations on batteries on his live stream. Is there any information on that? A quick schnoodle search didn't spit out anything useful on the FDA site apart from this video

teaching you how to report battery incidents to the FDA...

Not sure what Mooch was referencing? Because I didn't hear His live stream.

But I imagine that the CPSC will be involved to some degree. If not, the Majority degree.

Dueling Interests at CPSC and FDA “Deem” E-cigarette Battery Safety a Priority | Retail & Consumer Products Law Observer

 

[untar]

He just said that the FDA would regulate juice and batteries in 2 years and I couldn't find any online source for the battery part. In your linked article it seems a bit of a clusterfrig between agencies, not sure if that's a good or a bad sign.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

..as a very wise fella' I ran across in a forum somewhere signed..

A member here has that as their sig. I've had the same sig (which I use here and several other forums) for more than a decade now. It is very meaningful to me, and I will continue to use it for quite a while longer. When, and each time, I see that other sig, I get quite close to 'sig change' land.

 

[zoiDman]

... In your linked article it seems a bit of a clusterfrig between agencies, not sure if that's a good or a bad sign.

Hard to say how thing might shake out when Government Agencies get into a Turf War?

Might Prolong things until whatever is going to happen happens?
Might start a Regulation Race to see who can Out Regulate the Other?
Might just be Nothing but shared Regulations?

 

[zoiDman]

A member here has that as their sig. I've had the same sig (which I use here and several other forums) for more than a decade now. It is very meaningful to me, and I will continue to use it for quite a while longer. When, and each time, I see that other sig, I get quite close to 'sig change' land.

BTW - Here is a Closed Thread about Batteries and the CPSC.

Consumer Product Safety Commission & vaping batteries regulation

 

[Kent C]

Actually Kent...Quoted by Rossum...that's why I thought it was somewhat humorous (but still appropriate) using it in a Reply to his post...

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Ah.... I have sigs turned off :- )

 

[CMD-Ky]

Ah.... I have sigs turned off :- )

You miss a lot of wit, wisdom and lunacy.

 

[stols001]

I did not try Chantix either, I have bipolar type 1 and all my psychiatrists told me to keep smoking, I (and possibly my loved ones) would live longer! LOL. I did almost quit the first time I started Welbutrin, but it was too easy, so I went back to smoking and the next time I took Welbutrin (I took it as an antidepressant, not for smoking) well, the quit effect works ONCE (if you are lucky). ONCE. I always tell people that, every time you take it again, the "hate cigarettes" thing fades. Although WB can also mess with your head pretty severely, with some folks.

I didn't try hypnotism because I am unhypnotizable. We had a training at one of my jobs once and I was a guinea pig. I didn't want to lurch out of my chair and say, "This isn't working, and I am "making up" the visions you are telling me to recite," kinda felt it would be rude. LOL. But everything else, I have tried. Vaping works! FTW.

Anna

 

[Kent C]

You miss a lot of wit, wisdom and lunacy.

I know. I used to see them - some were good (mine was, I thought :- ) ...but some were so distracting and they slow down page loading.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I know. I used to see them - some were good (mine was, I thought :- ) ...but some were so distracting and they slow down page loading.

Some can be graphic heavy, true.