Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Buckeyevapen]

Been a minute since I posted.

Here is an idea, hold the gas stations who accept the fake ids accountable. Heck I would say the same thing if a true vape shop was selling smok tanks to under aged kids.

On another point, only kids like fruit and dessert. Thank goodness the government is here to tell us what we like and what we shouldn't like.

Sigh...

 

[newyork13]

I feel your pain. I leave for Gastonia tomorrow afternoon, and then to Asheville on Saturday. Getting married at the Biltmore on Sunday. Meanwhile my home in Martinsville will be getting hammered. If I lose power (mainly to the sump pump) I will come home to a flooded (fully finished) basement.

@mikepetro, congrats and best wishes. Your timing ain't great LOL, so I hope it all turns out well for you!

 

[Philabos]

There may be something amiss with the numbers here.
Apparently the FDA refused to release numbers, but certainly suggested this is a growing issue with students. The WSJ published a graph which they obtained from the CDC which shows student vaping in the most recent 30 days declined from 2.5 million in 2015 to 1.7 million in 2017. To be fair, still more than cigs. A cursory glance around the net seems to match what WSJ published, but I admit to not having made a study and may have missed something.

 

[ScottP]

There may be something amiss with the numbers here.
Apparently the FDA refused to release numbers, but certainly suggested this is a growing issue with students. The WSJ published a graph which they obtained from the CDC which shows student vaping in the most recent 30 days declined from 2.5 million in 2015 to 1.7 million in 2017. To be fair, still more than cigs. A cursory glance around the net seems to match what WSJ published, but I admit to not having made a study and may have missed something.

32% decrease = 75% increase? Must be government math. I think they call it "common core".

 

[440BB]

I feel your pain. I leave for Gastonia tomorrow afternoon, and then to Asheville on Saturday. Getting married at the Biltmore on Sunday. Meanwhile my home in Martinsville will be getting hammered. If I lose power (mainly to the sump pump) I will come home to a flooded (fully finished) basement.

Hope the weather breaks well for you Mike.
Congratulations on your impending nuptials!
It's a sad day for all the vapin' ladies on the prowl.

 

[Eskie]

@mikepetro congrats! I hope all goes well for you

 

[stols001]

@mikepetro congratulations, that's awesome!

Anna
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[somdcomputerguy]

@mikepetro Congratulations!

 

[Baditude]

I can not verify the accuracy of this. I got it from Face Book.

 

[Ceejay0875]

I can not verify the accuracy of this. I got it from Face Book.

If there's any truth to this it will be interesting to see if they pull the Juul but leave the others on the market.

 

[Baditude]

If there's any truth to this it will be interesting to see if they pull the Juul but leave the others on the market.

The problem I have is not with Juul, but with the people who are selling them to minors. It's a shame Juul came up with a very successful vaping device and then get punished because some vendors carelessly sell to underage kids. What's so different than vendors who sell cigarettes to minors?

 

[zoiDman]

The problem I have is not with Juul, but with the people who are selling them to minors. ...

What happens (or what do you do) when those who are Selling JUUL's to Minors are Not Retailers or the OEM?

 

[Baditude]

What happens (or what do you do) when those who are Selling JUUL's to Minors are Not Retailers or the OEM?

That's an excellent question and I don't have a good answer.

Every attempt should be made by authorities to find out who sold items "for adult use only" to the minors, and those individuals should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It's not just minors who are affected by this. It affects the economy, too. The entire vaping market could be at stake by this ignorance and stupidity on the part of a few.

We need to do something so that when a kid offers an adult on the street $5 to buy him a JUUL, that the adult thinks twice before saying, "Sure kid. That's an easy $5 for me."

Just like that warning that is always displayed before you watch a rented DVD, the illegal use of this copyrighted movie negatively affects the economy. If I recall there is a potential 5 year prison sentence and penalty fees into the thousands of dollars for that. There is a neighbor of mine who was selling bootleg movies, got caught by the FBI, and he is currently serving a 5 year prison term. That's harsh, but I bet he will never sell another bootleg movie again.

Anyone got better ideas?

 

[zoiDman]

...

We need to do something so that when a kid offers an adult on the street $5 to buy him a JUUL, that the adult thinks twice before saying, "Sure kid. That's an easy $5 for me."

...

But here's the Thing...

It Isn't just a Kid approaching a Total Stanger to buy him a JUUL. That is probably a Small Percentage of how Minors get ahold of things like a JUUL.

What about when an "Older Brother" figures out that there is Easy Cash to be made Buying JUUL's and then selling them to his Younger Brother?

Things like that is the Elephant in the Room that Most don't want to talk about. Because it is Basically Unstoppable.

 

[Baditude]

It Isn't just a Kid approaching a Total Stanger to buy him a JUUL. That is probably a Small Percentage of how Minors get ahold of things like a JUUL.

What about when an "Older Brother" figures out that there is Easy Cash to be made Buying JUUL's and then selling them to his Younger Brother?

Does it matter if it is a total stranger or an older brother? Or even a parent? It's still against the law.

We had parents come into our vape shop wanting to buy an e-cig for their teenage kids who smoked. We couldn't sell them anything because its against the law even for parents to give an ecig to their kids, even if their sincere intent was to help them to stop smoking. One father returned to the store later to buy an ecig allegedly for himself, but we still couldn't sell it to him because we remembered him from before and the store didn't want the liability.

Our store manager warned the sales staff that there were undercover agents who could try to set up an undercover sting. The FDA does have "boots on the ground" undercover agents who stake out inside and outside of vape shops looking for illegal transactions. I imagine these agents are wherever ecigs are sold.

 

[Zaryk]

This is no different than, and should be treated no differently than, an adult selling alcohol to a minor. Retail or private sale of it should have the same penalty as alcohol.

 

[zoiDman]

Does it matter if it is a total stranger or an older brother? It's still against the law.

We had parents come into our vape shop wanting to buy an e-cig for their teenage kids who smoked. We couldn't sell them anything because its against the law even for parents to give an ecig to their kids, even if their intent was to help them to stop smoking. One father returned to the store later to buy an ecig allegedly for himself, but we still couldn't sell it to him because we remembered him from before and the store didn't want the liability.

The FDA has "boots on the ground" undercover agents who stake out inside and outside of vape shops looking for illegal transactions. I imagine these agents are wherever ecigs are sold.

Didn't say that it Wasn't Against the Law.

The Point was that you can Card Every person who buys a JULL, and you can Require an Adult Signature of the Buyer on Mail Delivers, and that does Absolutely Nothing to stops Little Timmy's Older Brother from selling JUUL's to Timmy and all of his friends.

The FDA Knows this. Congress Knows this. And Media Knows this Also.

But we like to Draw Boxes around Problems and then Rally behind Simplistic Solutions. Especially if it achieves something like getting Flavors Off the Market. If getting Flavors off the market is something you would like to do.

 

[zoiDman]

This is no different than, and should be treated no differently than, an adult selling alcohol to a minor. Retail or private sale of it should have the same penalty as alcohol.

Sure... We have a Penalty all ready. How do we do Enforcement ?

 

[Zaryk]

Sure... We have a Penalty all ready. How do we do Enforcement ?

Nothing is perfect. We can only deal with it to the best of our ability, and if the government and public are fine with the system for underage alcohol sales currently in place, it should be just as acceptable for vape products.

 

[Baditude]

Didn't say that it Wasn't Against the Law.

The Point was that you can Card Every person who buys a JULL, and you can Require an Adult Signature of the Buyer on Mail Delivers, and that does Absolutely Nothing to stops Little Timmy's Older Brother from selling JUUL's to Timmy and all of his friends.

All I can share is that our shop's registers and receipts had the buyer's name, phone number, and date/time the items were purchased. We even had security cameras at each register recording all sales. A bit of detective work by FDA agents could prove if said JUUL was purchased by a particular individual. So Little Timmy's older brother could be held responsible for Little Timmy having a JUUL.

Maybe the FDA could restrict e-cig sales to only those vendors who had a setup like our shop had.

One of my co-workers had a very expensive mod stolen at our shop. The thief made the mistake of making a purchase before making the theft, plus he was caught on security camera. By watching the video, and comparing the purchase receipt for the name and phone number, our manager called the thief to return the mod or the police would be called and he would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The thief returned the mod within a half hour and was then banned from entering the store again. My co-worker wasn't interested in pressing charges, he just wanted his precious mod back.