Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[T0mmy1977]

Please post a Youtube video once someone has digested the FDA regs and breaks it down for us.

 

[Jorge22]

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/12809

Other than that, the FDA may put an end to vaping. Donald Trump may put an end to the world. The great thing about it is at least all of our problems will be solved!

 

[Verb]

I'm confused about that. too. Won't Dekang be grandfathered in? Dekang was the only eliquid available back when it all started in 2006-2007. Even in 2009, when I discovered e-cigs, all we had were Chinese juices.

The deeming regs state the product had to be "comercially marketed" and specifically states that any product that was in a test market is not considered to qualify. I'm sure the FDA is throwing all vapor products that were available before 2/15/07 into the test market catagory.

 

[Duckling]

Sending support from Australia. I don't thinks there's much we can do from over here, but we're rooting for you and hope you fight the good fight.

 

[tiburonfirst]

@WharfRat1976

this showed up in a recap this morning

''They don't ban ads
The new rules do not prevent advertising of products, not even on television.''

 

[Spazmelda]

@WharfRat1976

this showed up in a recap this morning

''They don't ban ads
The new rules do not prevent advertising of products, not even on television.''

That will come in handy for BT.

 

[tiburonfirst]

That will come in handy for BT.

couldn't care less atm - i was more concerned how ecf would survive if there were an advertising ban

 

[Bunnykiller]

considering that line of thought... if the companies who sell/make the items affected by the FDA rulz and are basically forced out of business.... they wont be advertising.... thus ECF looses funds to operate...

 

[rothenbj]

Isn't everything "significantly equivalent" to whatever that was out in 2007? I mean, they are all electronic circuit that uses a heating element to vaporize juice. In my opinion, all hardware are significantly similar.

I can understand if they want to regulate juice. But hardware?

Nothing is "significantly equivalent" in the eyes of the FDA and just trying to get that approval will be expensive in and of itself.

 

[tiburonfirst]

considering that line of thought... if the companies who sell/make the items affected by the FDA rulz and are basically forced out of business.... they wont be advertising.... thus ECF looses funds to operate...

true but at least there will be that grace period

 

[rothenbj]

You forgot potatoes.

Is over-the-counter nicotine gum in peril? What about the Nicotrol Inhaler? I know a prescription is required, but wouldn't it now be considered a tobacco product? How To Use Prescription NICOTROL® Inhaler (nicotine inhalation system)

No, they're FDA approved pharma products.

 

[postembr2]

There are news Denmark I guess will start putting extra taxes on rich food like meat to make people more healthy.

No, it began a long time ago, with the demonization of cigarettes with usage bans and the whole second-hand smoke crap.

This is just the next step. Further down the line: control of your sugar intake, fat intake, red meat intake. Basically, unless you're eating organic kale, it will be controlled by a government agency somewhere... maybe the FDA, maybe your state.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Sending support from Australia. I don't thinks there's much we can do from over here, but we're rooting for you and hope you fight the good fight.

Hi and thank you. I see you're a new member, welcome to the forums! By chance, did you happen to register on the forum because of this scenario? I would like to see all non-registered guests viewing this page to register on ECF and post your support like this kind person. We welcome you into our fold and appreciate your help, from within or without the USA.

Hey everyone. I woke up feeling much better. Having slept on this, I think my panic has subsided. It is time to become incredibly politically active.

Hello, FDA. I hear you are reading this thread. Great - I also welcome you to ECF. This is a great community filled with wonderful people. People from different political ideologies, races, sexual orientations, the list goes on and on - we may otherwise be divided on many issues, some of us - but we are united and stand firm against unreasonable regulations that will squash this industry's effective advances in technology to date and into the future. "Thanks" (?) for uniting us further.

Please stick around FDA - I am sincere in my welcome if you are here among us. I am not your friend. I haven't been your friend since you threatened to sue my state over the GMO issue. But, perhaps one day I will be your friend. The day you decide public health is more important than lining your pockets by lobbyists and turning a blind eye to science and pure logic.

My name is Rayonati Sloth. You may call me Sloth. Tag. You're it.

 

[rothenbj]

I'm sure they haven't met whatever the new ruling requires. It's too soon.

The vendor I use states that Dekang has been registered with the FDA. I should have said "registered" instead of approved. Registration may just reflect the fact that they use childproof bottle caps that are FDA approved. At this point I have no idea what the FDA is going to approve in e-juices. That will all come later as they answer those questions. Clean rooms and inspections are in the future. I haven't seen anything that defines what can or cannot be in a bottle of juice.

E-Liquid Market has this statement on their site.

You don't need clean room if everyone is selling various approved, unflavored e liquid. I'd believe most of that is coming from a limited number of sources. There's where the clean room would be required and I'd bet they already exist with the precautions required to handle pure liquid nicotine.

Now everyone has the capacity to sell that. Flavoring can be bought either as base flavors or created flavors (Strawberry Shortcake for example), these are already used to make the fake food we eat. Buy the two and flavor, steep and voila, you've got flavored e liquid.

The bigger issue is there contention that they can control the hardware side, that they can declare any liquid that is used in any devise what they've deemed to be a tobacco product as a tobacco product and their regulations are open ended enough that they may eventually declare that e liquid can only be sold in self contained, sealed, tamper proof 1ml cartridges (hello big tobacco).

 

[Duckling]

By chance, did you happen to register on the forum because of this scenario?

Hi Sloth. Yes, I did join this forum because of the Deeming today. I am a member of an Australian Vaping forum and there was some talk of it this morning over there, but it's not really "front page news" in Australia, so I wanted to come over here to stay on top of the updates coming through.

I was angry and upset and really really shocked to read about it this morning. It really took the jam out of my donut.

 

[rothenbj]

Oh indeed. California is already ahead of that curve, with about 10 bills inflight to really screw gun owners this year. They are keeping the NRA quite busy, assuming they don't just throw their hands up and just walk away from the state.

Hasn't Cali officially become an annexed State of Mexico yet, at leat the southern half?

 

[markfm]

Article from the NYT: http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?locat...1738735a759a8998791731cd4511&regi_id=55858911

 

[skoony]

I'm confused about that. too. Won't Dekang be grandfathered in? Dekang was the only eliquid available back when it all started in 2006-2007. Even in 2009, when I discovered e-cigs, all we had were Chinese juices.

Interesting point @Katya.

This was a Tragedy and should NOT be used in a For the Children Campaign.
1) It was Nicotine BASE - you know, the stuff one DILUTES to make E-Liquids.
2) The Top was left OFF the Container
3) 2 Supposedly Mature Adults were in the same Room, and sadly did NOT engage in SAFE Supervision of the Child.

The interesting thing is the final police report stated that in fact no cap was ever recovered.
As the office of coroner is an elected position in out state New York. Most if not all are not
Doctors. In fact most if not all of them are in the funeral business. None have the authority
to order any kind of post mortem testing with out clear evidence the death was
caused by anything other than what the preliminary evidence suggests. Open bottle
of nic base next to the child. Case closed. Even the police have to request testing
is they suspect foul play unless of course there is a bullet hole or knife sticking out
of the body.

Where I'm still murky is the legislative process. I know that Congress has given the FDA the authority. So they came up with the deeming regs. The regs were sent to the OMB/OIRA and then back to the FDA. Now what? Does Congress need to approve the final version one more time? Or the deeming regs become law automatically--unless Congress, POTUS, or the courts oppose them?

After the regs are posted on the Federal Register,( I believe that's today) Congress has a set amount
of time to step in to stop,change or,otherwise modify the proposed regs. I am not sure of the time
frame. I believe it is ninety days from posting to the register with out extra ordinary procedures.
Theoretically Congress could step in at any time but, after the time period the procedural steps
involved are more complicated.

Regards
Mike

 

[DaveP]

Government has a way of giving in to big business. Big Tobacco sales are falling, much of that decrease attributed to ecigs. There's still about 7 years left in payments to states from the 1998 tobacco settlement and politicians are afraid that ecigs will continue to cut into cigarette sales. They are probably right. The states need that money to pay off the loans the took out to get lump sum payment using the tobacco settlement as collateral on the loans.

We know that burning tobacco kills. People such as me are encouraged by their doctors to use ecigs as a replacement for tobacco cigarettes. Go figure. The killer is still legal and the safer replacement is being demonized.

It's clear that the issue is not about our health. It's about money. It's always about the money.

 

[mpols]

U.S. doctors are so mean. I think I like UK doctors, better. But worse than being mean, I disapprove of their anti-science stance.

I am a chiropractor who doesn't vape or smoke. The Royal College of Physicians report is a major tool to change our minds. Personally my mind changed a week ago when a patient told me about it. I urge you to download and print the full report and give it to your doctors and health professionals, telling them your personal stories. Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction

Cigarettes are killing 480,000 people in the US every year. That's the equivalent of two to three Boeing 747's going down every day. Vaping has the potential to reduce that by 95%.

People who vape are still a small segment of society. Non-vapors/smokers don't understand you. They are confused and think it's the same as smoking. At the same time most of them have loved ones that they care about who smokes. They know the dangers that smoking is doing to them. They are afraid and worried about their loved ones. Educating them on the RCP report and how this technology can add years to their loved ones lives is another tactic to change public opinion. Give these people the key recommendations for the report (linked above with the report) or a positive article on it.

ADMIN EDIT:
Here is the link, broken so it shows in this post since at this moment he has less than 5 posts (copy and paste, it will work):
https:// www. rcplondon. ac. uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0