Oh, stop it. I like the story about the missing Chinese chemist.
In the Netherlands? Mik Janty is Danish, isn't he?
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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Oh, stop it. I like the story about the missing Chinese chemist.
In the Netherlands? Mik Janty is Danish, isn't he?
If things do not change in a couple of years we will have cigalikes maybe 2 brands with prefilled cartos in 2 flavors. Tobacco and menthol tobacco.
All owned and sold by tobacco companies.
Me? I will DIY. And use mechs once my regulated mods give out to the point I cannot repair them.
Have enough tank parts on the way to keep my STM's running for a couple of decades... Spares for my TFV4's, etc...
i am thinking ,, use a vacuum sealer,, bag up what you think you need for a month for each bag. i think the nic would last indefinitely.I don't know if your eliquid will work the same as mine.
I only vape one flavor from one vendor. So I know what that is supposed to taste like at all times.
I buy my liquids every other month or so. 5 - 100ml bottles. For an experiment, I ordered an extra 30ml bottle just to throw in the freezer. After a year and a few weeks, I pulled that bottle out of the freezer and treated it like I had just bought it fresh. Took the cap off for 24 hours or so then capped it back up to start the aging process.
There was no noticeable difference in taste from one that was not treated to the freezer test. The color was the same as it was when I first put it in the freezer. When both started the aging process, darkening slightly as it usually does, they were identical.
The only thing you can do is try it with yours. As soon as you get it, don't open it, just put it in the freezer and see what it tastes like after 6 months. You already know just having it on the shelf for that long isn't good to you.
Worth the try
Hmmm... if I boil me some nice potatoes, or slice up some tomatoes for a salad - and offer them to my dinner guests, do they need to stop breathing ? Lest I bacome a criminal for allowing them to inhale nicotine-laden vapors?
Imagine : 500.000 vapers standing in front of the FDA HQ, selling a bottle of liquid to each other. Right under their noses. Civil disobedience on a gargantuan scale. Gonna jail 'em all ?
Imagine : 500.000 vapers standing in front of the FDA HQ, selling a bottle of liquid to each other. Right under their noses. Civil disobedience on a gargantuan scale. Gonna jail 'em all ?
well given the intelligence of the FDA,, i think you and i will both be 6ft under by the time they figure it out........all we have to do is throw them some distraction bones,, like how bad soda pop is for kids,, and promote the idea to go after Coke and Pepsi instead.
Their sale is regulated because their use is regulated.
If the deeming regs are not modifeid the FDA will not need extra manpower to police anything.
5 years down the road after the states initiate taxation part of this process will require them
to define what they are taxing which would be at minimum an exact definition of what the
Federal definition is. The result of this is the states would be doing the policing instead of the Feds.
IMHO I believe it wise to assume the worst case interpretation of what battery is or is not
covered under the regs. Hope fro the best of course.
See my above response to the Zoidman.
Regards
Mike
Re: juice...many people often forget that city and state (Provincial for me) can tax, regulate, etc. as well.
The FDA mess is bad, but if your State or City govt decides to ban internet sales and slap a $1/ml tax on all eJuice, that is a whole new level of problems for vapers.
My Province is likely about to lower the boom with legislation that will make the outside of all vape shops look like porn shops (frosted/dark Windows), no tasting bars, showing a buyer how to safely use a mod will be prohibited, pretty labels - gone and likely a nice juicy eJuice tax.
I still love and buy liquids like Boss Reserve, Unicorn Milk and a few others, but they are very expensive now and I will not be buying these if taxation pushes these to $30-50 per 30ml. My DIY is just as good as most $15-20 juices and costs under $2/30ml for me to make. The bottle is the most expensive part...
I enjoy making my own juice and having nic in the freezer futureproofs me for many years.
The FDA mess is bad, but if your State or City govt decides to ban internet sales and slap a $1/ml tax on all eJuice, that is a whole new level of problems for vapers.
My Province is likely about to lower the boom with legislation that will make the outside of all vape shops look like porn shops (frosted/dark Windows), no tasting bars, showing a buyer how to safely use a mod will be prohibited, pretty labels - gone and likely a nice juicy eJuice tax.
I still love and buy liquids like Boss Reserve, Unicorn Milk and a few others, but they are very expensive now and I will not be buying these if taxation pushes these to $30-50 per 30ml. My DIY is just as good as most $15-20 juices and costs under $2/30ml for me to make. The bottle is the most expensive part...
I enjoy making my own juice and having nic in the freezer futureproofs me for many years.
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I didn't think they were, I was under the impression that ATF enforced non-compliance, but I'm not so sure now.
"We have a very effective office of compliance and enforcement that will be monitoring and conducting surveillance to detect any kind of illegal activity in the marketplace," he says. "I have no idea what the likelihood is for a black market, but if that happens we'll find it and those products, if they haven't received marketing authorization from FDA, would be in violation of the law." - Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products FDA
Criminal Investigations
OCI protects the public health and furthers the FDA mission by investigating suspected criminal violations of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FDCA) and other related laws.
OCI has the primary responsibility for criminal investigations conducted by the FDA and for all law enforcement and intelligence issues pertaining to threats against FDA-regulated products. OCI concentrates its resources on investigations of significant criminal violations that pose a danger to the public health.
If I understand it correctly, the two years only exist if the paperwork and money required are given to the FDA in the next 90 days. I haven't attempted to read the regs., but that is what it looks like from the posts I've read.
If that is true, guess whose product will be available in Sept.?
The strategy works only if you have access to nic. The rest will be available.
Their sale is regulated because their use is regulated.
If the deeming regs are not modifeid the FDA will not need extra manpower to police anything.
5 years down the road after the states initiate taxation part of this process will require them
to define what they are taxing which would be at minimum an exact definition of what the
Federal definition is. The result of this is the states would be doing the policing instead of the Feds.
IMHO I believe it wise to assume the worst case interpretation of what battery is or is not
covered under the regs. Hope fro the best of course.
See my above response to the Zoidman.
Regards
Mike
All I have to say is I would Love to See your bunker that I am sure is Packed to the Rafters with soon to be Regulated Items.
I have 3 liters in the freezer. And my current consumption that is around 15-20 years worth. I am 62 yrs old...
Need to get a few more drippers.... Good on tanks and tank parts.
Ordered 10 510 connectors and 18650 sleds.
Ordered 10 510 connectors and 18650 sleds.
I have no doubt they will mean business. There is a vendor here that a couple of years ago said he was raided by no nonsense federal agents with guns drawn. What initially was divulged of it sounded Orwellian. He abruptly quit talking about it. He is still in business so I assume his lawyer took care of it and for legal reasons or federal pressure was told not to speak of it again. I'm sure some of you know whom I'm talking about and most likely more of the story than I do.
Naah will likely buy a couple more liters of nic in the next month or so.Don't tell me you will go back to smoking at 82
they way things are going hope I am not alive by 82 anyway. Would be a miserable existence.
The 90 day period is for the portions concerning access of minors to
newly deemed tobacco products and to have your product on the market.
One would then have 2 years to to file the appropriate paper work with
the FDA for their approval. Any monies are not going to the FDA. Money
will be required to prepare your paper work and any scientific studies
required to go along with your paperwork.
Regards
Mike
They covered everything they could think of and left it open to add more.
"...for purposes of this final rule, FDA is using the terms 'component' and 'part' interchangeably and without emphasizing the distinction between the terms. FDA may clarify the distinctions between ‘component’ and ‘part’ in the future.
"Specifically, 'Component or Part' means 'any software or assembly of materials intended or reasonably expected: 1) to alter or affect the tobacco product’s performance, composition, constituents or characteristics; or 2) to be used with or for the human consumption of a tobacco product.'"
"The following is a nonexhaustive list of examples of components and parts used with electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) (including e- cigarettes): e-liquids; atomizers; batteries (with or without variable voltage); cartomizers (atomizer plus replaceable fluid-filled cartridge); digital display/lights to adjust settings; clearomisers, tank systems, flavors, vials that contain e-liquids, and programmable software."
"...for purposes of this final rule, FDA is using the terms 'component' and 'part' interchangeably and without emphasizing the distinction between the terms. FDA may clarify the distinctions between ‘component’ and ‘part’ in the future.
"Specifically, 'Component or Part' means 'any software or assembly of materials intended or reasonably expected: 1) to alter or affect the tobacco product’s performance, composition, constituents or characteristics; or 2) to be used with or for the human consumption of a tobacco product.'"
"The following is a nonexhaustive list of examples of components and parts used with electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) (including e- cigarettes): e-liquids; atomizers; batteries (with or without variable voltage); cartomizers (atomizer plus replaceable fluid-filled cartridge); digital display/lights to adjust settings; clearomisers, tank systems, flavors, vials that contain e-liquids, and programmable software."
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