Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[nicnik]

Here you go.

But you'll have to find your own Behavioral Scientist.

I've long wondered what vaping looks like under a microscope.

 

[The Ocelot]

Here you go.

But you'll have to find your own Behavioral Scientist.

It seems to me that Behavioral Science is the most important category. How else can one quantify:

the likelihood that nonsmokers will start using the product;
the likelihood that former smokers will relapse back to nicotine use by using the product;
the likelihood that nonsmokers who do start using the product will progress to cigarette smoking;
the likelihood that former smokers who relapse back to nicotine use will then progress to smoking;
the likelihood that consumers will use the product in conjunction with other tobacco products;
and the likelihood that smokers who start using the product would otherwise have quit smoking?

Edit: Knocked down the text wall.

 

[The Ocelot]

Any time I use the word "you", you are welcome to any interpretation you wish. I think I was purposely letting it have two meanings. It got me some information.

Yeah, maybe you shouldn't fill out any more surveys.

I'm proud to be an old vaper. I think my repeated statement of smoking for 40 years would have given you a clue as well.

 

[nicnik]

I'm proud to be an old vaper. I think my repeated statement of smoking for 40 years would have given you a clue as well.

I'm happy to hear that you are at least half my age, and hopefully more.

 

[StormFinch]

It seems to me that Behavioral Science is the most important category. How else can one quantify the likelihood that nonsmokers will start using the product; the likelihood that former smokers will relapse back to nicotine use by using the product; the likelihood that nonsmokers who do start using the product will progress to cigarette smoking; the likelihood that former smokers who relapse back to nicotine use will then progress to smoking; the likelihood that consumers will use the product in conjunction with other tobacco products; and the likelihood that smokers who start using the product would otherwise have quit smoking?

Okay, when Oci writes something and my eyes cross, it's time to call it a night. Have a good one folks!

 

[nicnik]

Okay, when Oci writes something and my eyes cross, it's time to call it a night. Have a good one folks!

Goodnight, and maybe sleep with your fingers crossed.

 

[nicnik]

I am gonna make an attempt to sleep. First I need to log out, them find some way of getting my mind off of the FDA for a bit. It might work.

Goodnight Ocelot and whoever else is left.

 

[The Ocelot]

Okay, when Oci writes something and my eyes cross, it's time to call it a night. Have a good one folks!

Sorry, that was a text wall because it was a copy/paste of proof requirements from Dr. Siegel. When I post something of my own, I try to break up paragraphs to make it easier to read - even if the grammar cat in me almost gnaws off my own paw as I hit return.

ETA: I edited the post, so it will be easier to read.

 

[The Ocelot]

I am gonna make an attempt to sleep. First I need to log out, them find some way of getting my mind off of the FDA for a bit. It might work.

Goodnight Ocelot and whoever else is left.

Alcohol and ice cream is helping. I'm just now browsing Netflix.

 

[drysprocket]

Whoever posted this earlier...I have to repost it. An amazing nearly 2 hour discussion. So far the best analysis I've seen. And I'm officially depressed now:

 

[bigdancehawk]

...the likelihood that smokers who start using the product would otherwise have quit smoking?

If they're vaping they're not smoking. What is this supposed to mean? Likelihood that they would have quit anyway? When? On the same day they took up vaping or twenty years later when they were diagnosed with COPD?

 

[The Ocelot]

If they're vaping they're not smoking. What is this supposed to mean? Likelihood that they would have quit anyway? When? On the same day they took up vaping or twenty years later when they were diagnosed with COPD?

Yeah, right? But that appears to be what the Ministry of Public Protection requires manufacturers to prove.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA Draft Guidance Confirms that Deeming Regulations Will Decimate the E-Cigarette Industry

 

[The Ocelot]

The Ministry of Public Protection. I like that. Although, when the public is protected they feel safe and happy, so the Ministry of Happiness works just as well.

 

[mikepetro]

I would love to see that reference if you find it, dang the one vendor I order from custom mixes all their eliquid per order, no premade, so this really concerns me a lot.

Directly from the FDA website:

"If you operate a vape shop that mixes or prepares liquid nicotine or nicotine-containing e-liquids, or creates or modifies any type of ENDS, you are considered a manufacturer and must comply with all of the legal requirements for tobacco product manufacturers."

 

[StormFinch]

Sorry, that was a text wall because it was a copy/paste of proof requirements from Dr. Siegel. When I post something of my own, I try to break up paragraphs to make it easier to read - even if the grammar cat in me almost gnaws off my own paw as I hit return.

Popped back in for a few, about to try again but hard to stay away from the forum for the time being.

That explains it then! Turns out it was medical scrawl, ala typeface, I knew your stuff normally didn't make me cross eyed.

 

[halonut]

LOL...The header advert right now is "get in the 2 billiion $ vapor industry - franchise with vaporshark"

Any takers?

 

[mikepetro]

Directly from the FDA website:

"If you operate a vape shop that mixes or prepares liquid nicotine or nicotine-containing e-liquids, or creates or modifies any type of ENDS, you are considered a manufacturer and must comply with all of the legal requirements for tobacco product manufacturers."

This also encompasses small "craft" modders like myself........

 

[The Ocelot]

Never mind. I couldn't remember the whole quote.

 

[mikepetro]

This also encompasses small "craft" modders like myself........

Someone pointed out to me that this statement might be misconstrued by the ECF Admins to qualify me as a "Supplier".

For clarification. I have been a small "craft" Mod maker for 3 years. In all that time I have only ever sold 1 (one) mod, and it was at cost. I do make dozens of mods that I give to friends and family. It is my understanding that "giving" away mods does not constitute being a "Supplier" on ECF.

The point I was trying to make is that "giving away" ENDS will become illegal in August. Thus the ruling encompasses me.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I seriously doubt China will take this on. If orders get to be too few, which is also doubtful given the number of people that will be willing to risk a confiscated package for what they contain, they'll find something else to manufacture and/or copy and reconfigure the factory without missing a beat.

They already have storm. They are tobacco exporters. Whatever the product, tech or not, whether they sell to Peter or to Paul, makes no difference. As you say.

Good luck.