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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Seems to me that the Chinese will be forced to get FDA approval for thier products that they manufactured. Which Im sure dont cost much to them.
- Mods are going to be BlackMarket since ppl do them as more of a hobby and are not mass producing with massive amounts of money like the Chinese
- Ejuice/Online sales ...biggest issue is this. ·Online sales banned will mean only local shops which do not carry every last product on the market.
·Ejuice sales are being forced to the highest bidders which sounds like expensive Ejuice in the end.
Does this sum it all up?
Yup, it's up on Amazon- "iTaste MVP3 PRO 60 Watt - Electronic Charger [SILVER]"
They should sell it with a charging cable though.
On line sale banned? That is a game changer. How are we going to get our nic?
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I don't know if there's an updated one of these, but for each PMTA there has to be an Environmental Assessment, and the FDA has to budget for their estimated number of hours used to respond to these annually(if I understand this correctly).
Here's what the last one said:
Therefore, over the next 3 years, FDA estimates that approximately 532 respondents will submit an average of 1 application for environmental assessment. Part of the information in the EA will be developed while writing other parts of a PMTA, SE, Exemption from SE, or MRTPA. Based on FDA’s experience, previous information provided by potential sponsors and knowledge that part of the EA 8 information has already been produced in one of the tobacco product applications, FDA estimates that it takes approximately 80 hours to prepare an EA. Table 6.--Estimated Annual Reporting Burden for Tobacco Products1 21 CFR Section No. of Respondents No. of Responses per Respondent Total Annual Responses Average Burden per Response Total Hours 25.40(a) and (c) 532 1 532 80 42,560 1 There are no capital costs or operating and maintenance costs associated with this collection of information.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-06711.pdf
Here's what the last one said:
Therefore, over the next 3 years, FDA estimates that approximately 532 respondents will submit an average of 1 application for environmental assessment. Part of the information in the EA will be developed while writing other parts of a PMTA, SE, Exemption from SE, or MRTPA. Based on FDA’s experience, previous information provided by potential sponsors and knowledge that part of the EA 8 information has already been produced in one of the tobacco product applications, FDA estimates that it takes approximately 80 hours to prepare an EA. Table 6.--Estimated Annual Reporting Burden for Tobacco Products1 21 CFR Section No. of Respondents No. of Responses per Respondent Total Annual Responses Average Burden per Response Total Hours 25.40(a) and (c) 532 1 532 80 42,560 1 There are no capital costs or operating and maintenance costs associated with this collection of information.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-06711.pdf
And ebay.Yup, it's up on Amazon- "iTaste MVP3 PRO 60 Watt - Electronic Charger [SILVER]"
They should sell it with a charging cable though.
It's not clear if online sales will be banned. You can actually purchase tobacco online now, but some states prohibit the delivery of it, or require picture ID which makes it complicated and expensive. This would come a bit later.
As for everything else, if nothing is grandfathered, it all has to be approved or it will be illegal to sell it after a couple years, and the likelihood that anything we use will get approved is small, infinitesimally small.
Yeah I think I get it now. It's to allow current Ejuice to remain for sale which seems most important since mods come and go. I think I understand now, thank you
Yup, you got it.
Prior to 2007(the current grandfather date) it is unclear if any e-liquids were for sale in the US, so nothing vape related is grandfathered in, everything has to go through an application process that is estimated to take 5000-15000 man hours to complete, including toxicological and psychological testing, with an estimated cost of $1-$8 Million per application, which would be per product.
This is some of the unbelievable BS that is going around. This was in response to my personal vaping story. Just another sheep. But this is what people really think.
They are taking it off the market because it's killing people faster than cig. Smoking is a hand jester habit find something else to do with your hands. After I quit I reached for them so many times and would laugh at myself and say oh yea. This vap is as harmful to those around you as the cig were for your best health try this please.
They are taking it off the market because it's killing people faster than cig. Smoking is a hand jester habit find something else to do with your hands. After I quit I reached for them so many times and would laugh at myself and say oh yea. This vap is as harmful to those around you as the cig were for your best health try this please.
The FDA would have deemed The Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver a tobacco product, on the grounds it contained a power source and software "capable of controlling the variable frequency and amplitude of waves necessary to potentially heat a liquid suitable for the purpose of vaporization."
I posted this idea in the Updates thread. Figured I'd cross-post it since there seem to be more people hanging out here:
FDA Deeming updates - Tuesday May 10th community events
FDA Deeming updates - Tuesday May 10th community events
If nicotine is going to be classified as tobacco then all one would need to resale FDA approved nicotine is a tobacco license. Buy it from an approved lab and resell it in your shop. Nicotine being the only thing you sell. Hmm? All the local DIY people would come show you their ID pay you money and leave?
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Thank you for the laugh. My blood pressure went up so fast I thought I was going to have a stroke. That is just one of two ex smokers response. So fricking aggravating. It's like they completely ignored everything I wrote and oh you can quit I did. Yeah and you gained 50 pounds fatso. And that is really healthy. GGGRRR
I've been rewriting my message everyday, but it didn't occur to me to change the email address. Thanks.
That is actually one of the few viable paths that I can see, with a few big IF's.
IF a nic base manufacturer is willing to go through the PMTA process to get a nic base product approved for sale to consumers.
IF the FDA were to approve that product.
IF the shops were to only re-sell the product as is from the manufacturer, no repackaging/branding allowed.
Now, whether or not that is a viable business plan, idk.
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