I think you said/thought that his show has a long lead time. I can't imagine him not jumping at that topic.
I mean it's a satirical gift.
Your letter was AWESOME, by the way!!
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I mean it's a satirical gift.
Your letter was AWESOME, by the way!!
* Fell and struck my head against my Safe while getting up from bed. Not focused to discuss anything quite yet
Feeling kind of
Wow! Graceful! Another thing we have in common! On the 2nd I almost knocked myself out stepping out of a big metal roll off. I was distracted, in a rush and forgot about the metal bar the goes across where the gates attach. I was looking down, so I slammed the very top of my head into the bar. I hit it hard enough to knock me onto my back in a pool of rusty water. My hair was soaked and it took me a few seconds to figure out it wasn't blood. I ended up with a large bump on my head and a dark bruise on my arm from the elbow to the wrist. I'm fine now.
If you're ever in my neck of the woods we should go dancing.
If the Cole-Bishop amendment passes BT wouldn't have to submit PMTAs for their ecigs. They could use the money for marketing and advertising. They have nothing to fear from vape shops.
I am not disagreeing with you guys as i hope you are right and i am wrong. There is one glaring problem
with BT and the FDA regulating the e-cig market in terms of it's long term tax-ability and profit
potential.
If this is true, The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
Then as soon as the rate of life time non tobacco users starting vaping surpasses the rate of smokers
switching to vaping The market will implode on itself. People will not spend their recreational money
on a product that does not addict them or otherwise has no potential to keep them buying when
there will be other options available sans erroneous taxes and second hand citizenship status.
Five years down the road if the deeming regs are not altered BT will have a small niche market
of cigalikes giving them a life time of tax right offs. Enough people will have returned to smoking to stabilize the taxation and profitability to the market. BP will be introducing their advanced NRT
devices that will look awfully similar to what our open systems are now but,somehow work so much better and,priced at the appropriate price point. Your insurance premium will be higher than a smoker if you choose to use these cessation devises.
We can see a disconnect. The FDA doesn't have too. They wrote the regs.
Regards
Mike
Definitely two of a kind.
Wife says I hit so hard, the skin imprinted on a work shirt she had sitting on the Safe. Had to toss it in the Laundry.(more lost points)
A minor distraction from a more important cause - Promoting the Saving of possibly a BILLION LIVES!!!!
So.....where do we go next?
But we were talking about why Big Tobacco would support the Cole-Bishop amendment.
If the Cole-Bishop amendment passes nothing has to go through the PMTA process.
That's why I didn't understand what applications you were referring to.
That's why they would support it.
Guess you missed the rest of my post....
If Cole/Bishop passes then the tobacco companies wouldn't have to submit PMTAs for the products they now have. Everything existing in present time is grandfathered. If it doesn't pass, then they would have to submit applications for their products (PMTA). Which would be many millions of dollars AND the FDA may reject the applications (as they have done against tobacco companies in the past) and all that money goes down the drain.
Except the money they can use for tax right offs.
mike
Probably but people unfamiliar with write offs put to much emphasis on 'write offs' ( a common refrain in anti-business circles) ... as if they are total write offs, which they are not. I'm sure the tobacco companies would welcome the Cole/Bishop amendment, so they don't have to go through all of that.
All correct........while Still, BT Has purpose in Supporting the Cole-Bishop amendment and/or H.R.2058,(Cole-Bishop primarily) in that it establishes more flexibility in Product they ultimately intend to control.
As stated - Even with a change in DATE, most prominent in the amendment, the Market goes into a Freeze.
the FDA still holds most of the cards in regards to Acceptable use and Safety as well as Public Health concerns.
Cole-Bishop does little to even slow the FDA, let alone stop it.
Do not be fooled by language like a Fast growing 3.x Billion Dollar Market
That is GROSS, not NET. and there is Much investment in this market so far, that is at stake.
Even so, it barely touches the Advertising Budget of BT.
What we view as a Breaking Major market, others see as a side hobby.
eta: always forget to link data
CDC - Fact Sheet - Tobacco Industry Marketing - Smoking & Tobacco Use
I guess, if you're BT, it gets down to do you Want Everyone to be Grandfathered and not have to do PMTA's?
Or would you Rather want to have Everyone do a PMTA when Very Few could Afford it?
Im sure they are, losing the US market is no laughing matter. But if they have international sales and if thats enough to sustain thier lively hood, then there is some light for them.Yet Johnson Creek, who just invested in another Updated Facility is Highly concerned
However its us vapers im more concerned about.
Hope those lawyers are good.
The FDA has totally lost it.......note the saying about when nic is NOT used in ejuice....???
From the FDA website
Nicotine Warning Statement
The product packages and advertisements of all newly-regulated covered tobacco products must bear the following warning statement:
“WARNING: This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.”
If the tobacco product manufacturer submits a self-certification statement to FDA that the newly-regulated tobacco product does not contain nicotine (and that the manufacturer has data to support this assertion), then an alternate statement must be used on product packages and advertisements:
“This product is made from tobacco.”
From the FDA website
Nicotine Warning Statement
The product packages and advertisements of all newly-regulated covered tobacco products must bear the following warning statement:
“WARNING: This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.”
If the tobacco product manufacturer submits a self-certification statement to FDA that the newly-regulated tobacco product does not contain nicotine (and that the manufacturer has data to support this assertion), then an alternate statement must be used on product packages and advertisements:
“This product is made from tobacco.”
I think you said/thought that his show has a long lead time. I can't imagine him not jumping at that topic.
I mean it's a satirical gift.
Your letter was AWESOME, by the way!!
I meant Smokey Joe Oliver making an exception for @Rossum to advertise OMG-Juice! on ECF.
The biggest drawback is that in order to implement it, I expect I'd have to sign up as a "vendor" on ECF.
And John Oliver does have a longer lead time than daily shows, but it's not as long as I thought. I'm glad you liked the letter.
I'm telling ya... That thing about the Photo ID sure gives Me an Uneasy Feeling.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ProductsIngredientsComponents/UCM499168.pdf
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