Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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A) I dunno, I bought stuff for the last several years, but I have bought several additional liters of nic in the last couple of months. I can afford to do so though. I also have split my storage to 2 different geographical locations, with enough to last me my lifetime at both places. Yes, I may be a little insane.
B) I personally doubt I'll live to 80. That's not in the genetic cards. That said, based on Kurt's findings, my personal experience, and long-term medicine storage studies done by the military, I expect that I will be able to vape my entire lifetime even if I never bought anything else. If you poke around and read about long-term storage of medicines and also how fairly stable nicotine actually is, I think you'll find that it is very much feasible, especially if you follow Kurt's advice and freeze the stuff. Even if you don't, oxidization and a possible reduction of nicotine content for 40 years, you could test it and vape what you've stored directly.
Flavors: I store mine frozen, but the keylime doesn't appear to be altered by freezing and anything I can do to stop time, I will do. If it does happen to go bad, I'm not that worried about it - I can vape unflavored or replace it. TFA pretty much says that it doesn't go bad, but it can change over time. I seriously doubt that DIY flavoring will ever be an issue as long as people still make pies, cakes, etc. If I got really desperate, I'll squeeze some limes myself and start making small batches.
Personally, as far as fda-proofing, I'd rather be safe than sorry. If I lose a few hundred dollars in nicotine, I'm not going to cry about it.
Again - I am probably more on the insane side than others.
So far politics trumps facts, science, reason, competitive forces.... Everything. With not a whiff of a ..... in the wall of the anti-vape agenda. I'd love to see you right. But I'm a realist
It's a sad day in America when one thinks they have to become insane to combat the overreaching effects of their own government.
Can we get a sticky when you do?? You've been working hard towards it.
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The reality is, I don't trust my government to govern in my favor. It may be sad, but the current environment dictates my caution and I'm a firm believer in taking care of yourself. I have exactly one vice, and I don't intend on it being taking away from me without my consent.
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Why would They? It seems perfectly acceptable(TO THEM) to unjustly TAX a sub-portion of Citizens for a problem Created by an Industry.
OMG, don't attack the industry, Attack the people it has enticed/Addicted.
Fair National Regulation for all!
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That's what is so frustrating, the B&M's who this really affects the most don't really seem to be taking this as serious as it actually is.Thanks.
I don't even know why it's hitting me so hard today, I'm stocked up, my life is going to change little, if any.
As it stands, I won't need to buy another thing for many, many years to come.
Maybe that's what triggered it, actually finishing the stocking up process.
But thinking about so many that are oblivious to it all, or not taking it seriously, or those who are concerned, but the folks at their B & M are telling them things will be just fine.
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I hope you're right, but I honestly believe that you're very wrong.
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You haven't said a thing I disagree with so there is no reason for you to expend any energy on trying to "see me right" when we see things the same way.
Here's the political trump card. So you're Blue Cross and Blue Shield. Your actuarial department is assigned the task to evaluate the UK's health costs in 2021 as they relate to people who have converted from cigarettes to vaping. Your actuaries find that costs to treat the converted have gone down dramatically with irrefutable proof (which any of us would predict). You know the US government couldn't care less because they have their ulterior motives so you don't even bother to convince them that it is in the public health interest. But, you know you can dramatically lower your costs based on the actuaries findings. So instead, you hire a bunch of lobbyists and stuff their pockets full of cash and send them to Washington to grease the election skids of our representatives so they see it their way. Multiply this cash supply by some magnitude that is equivalent to the entire insurance industry (because they did the same studies too) and there is your political trump card.
I've watched politics for many decades and know all too well how it works. Basically, follow the money. Insurance companies will not sit on their hands if they see a profit motive...one that would be as impactful as reducing smoking related diseases...perhaps their #1 health cost.
I will re-evaluate in a year. Keep in mind, many of our vape companies and advocacy groups agree with me. Or should I say I agree with them.
Never underestimate the pure greed of those in power and of those who pull their strings.
I'm with you, the pigs will be at the trough
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The insurance companies are already getting in on the Vaping = Smoking propaganda ... higher premiums for Vapers.
I think just about Every B&M takes the FDA and Deeming Very Seriously.
I wouldn't confuse a Lack of willingness to inform their Employees/Customers or not being involved in an some for of Advocacy as Not being Serious about current events.
And Yes, it is Very Frustrating.
But that cost savings is the elephant in the room. No company in any industry can ignore a massive cost savings (unless you're in a monopoly/oligopoly). If you're a CEO and want to make a splash.... Admittedly, the insurance companies are teetering on being oligopolies and this is why we need to get rid of these state lines when it comes to the health insurance industry.
1) I am as finicky as it gets. I've sampled hundreds of flavors but have only two I find as acceptable every day vapes. I have zero confidence I could DIY a flavor I like. I'd go back to smoking before that happened. I know me.
I said Exactly the same thing, kept Buying but got interested. Picked up a few sample size Flavors and attempted with several Failures - As I vaped store bought. Got smart and tweaked a Few <Interned Shared Recipes>, that was 3 years ago and I haven't bought since unless to Test for a new flavor idea.
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Well, the world has kind of ignored Sweden and snus.
But maybe things will be different this time.
I prefer to stock up when the prices are good so I can avoid the rush and price gouging. If I am wrong worst case scenario is I won't have to resupply for a very,very long time. But if I'm right ..........
They're just hoping someone else will take care of the problem, that's what the FDA and powers in control are banking on.
Bottom line is there should be a riot with pitchforks and torches at the castle gates. Sad reality is there isn't and that's why the people continually get screwed because they want someone else to get involved and fix it for them.
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