Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Don't worry, the RNC delegates will be voting to rescue vaping from the FDA!
Thanks, so very much, for putting vaping in this list, RS! o_O The Most Backwards, WTF Planks in the GOP Platform

I'm a libertarian, so I don't agree with many of the things on that list, but if the Republicans are looking to take on both the FDA and the IRS, I can totally get on board with that. Not that they'll necessarily do those things once in power, but at least they are addressing the issues. :thumb:
 

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I'm a libertarian, so I don't agree with many of the things on that list, but if the Republicans are looking to take on both the FDA and the IRS, I can totally get on board with that. Not that they'll necessarily do those things once in power, but at least they are addressing the issues. :thumb:
Then if and that's a big IF--The republicans do get into power-WE will have to make enough of a stink until they do.
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That does it for me! If I had any doubt how I was going to vote, that seals it. Sorry, but with this one, I'm a one issue voter and that issue is vaping.
Yep, I've never been a one issue voter until now. It's not just them taking it away, it is the epitome of corruption that is our government. The pure blatant disregard to people's health, destruction of small businesses, people's lives and livelihood. All to appease their corporate masters.

Yes, I have become a one issue voter.

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Yep, I've never been a one issue voter until now. It's not just them taking it away, it is the epitome of corruption that is our government. The pure blatant disregard to people's health, destruction of small businesses, people's lives and livelihood. All to appease their corporate masters.

Yes, I have become a one issue voter.

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I'm past blaming only the politicians. We, the electorate, keep voting for the same crooks over and over and we know they're crooks before they get elected (or re-elected). We deserve what we get.
 

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It's not just them taking it away, it is the epitome of corruption that is our government. The pure blatant disregard to people's health, destruction of small businesses, people's lives and livelihood. All to appease their corporate masters.
Well, if that doesn't sum it up in one nice little package, I don't know what does.
I'm past blaming only the politicians. We, the electorate, keep voting for the same crooks over and over and we know they're crooks before they get elected (or re-elected). We deserve what we get.
Oh, yeah, that too...
Seriously.
 

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I'm past blaming only the politicians. We, the electorate, keep voting for the same crooks over and over and we know they're crooks before they get elected (or re-elected).

A common and exaggerated generalization. I've never voted for someone who I knew beforehand that they were a crook. Many turned out not to be crooks, and some did.

It's like the line some like to quote from the Stone's Sympathy for the Devil:

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me

No... it was Lee Harvey Oswald. :- )
 
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Semi update on the odd vape shop we have in town. I took a drive to the big city and it seems ours here in my small town is one of 7 all owned by the same man that are scattered around the area. I apparently talked to a local manager at the one here. THis time I talked to the owner. It seems I was given misinformation by the local shop and I new understand how they are going to stay functional past Aug 8.

Aug 7 will be the last day they sell their made in house juices. After that they will be selling 0 nic only from major juice manufacturers. They sell no mechs or outright rebuildables and they do not teach rebuilding or build coils in shop.

As he put it they are no different than Wal Mart in the sense that they are only going to be selling stuff made by someone else and it is on the manufacturers to file the PMTAs. He said as long as he files the paperwork as a seller of other manufacturers good that they FDA requires he is good to go until he can't buy the stuff to sell. Then he said "2 years is a long time. Anything could happen between now and then. He is keeping his fingers crossed and helping to support various lawsuits."

So there is your update.
 

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Semi update on the odd vape shop we have in town. I took a drive to the big city and it seems ours here in my small town is one of 7 all owned by the same man that are scattered around the area. I apparently talked to a local manager at the one here. THis time I talked to the owner. It seems I was given misinformation by the local shop and I new understand how they are going to stay functional past Aug 8.

Aug 7 will be the last day they sell their made in house juices. After that they will be selling 0 nic only from major juice manufacturers. They sell no mechs or outright rebuildables and they do not teach rebuilding or build coils in shop.

As he put it they are no different than Wal Mart in the sense that they are only going to be selling stuff made by someone else and it is on the manufacturers to file the PMTAs. He said as long as he files the paperwork as a seller of other manufacturers good that they FDA requires he is good to go until he can't buy the stuff to sell. Then he said "2 years is a long time. Anything could happen between now and then. He is keeping his fingers crossed and helping to support various lawsuits."

So there is your update.
Ah, so he is converting the retail model. Definitely a strategy to stay afloat until the options of what to sell dwindle.
 

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He said as long as he files the paperwork as a seller of other manufacturers good that they FDA requires he is good to go until he can't buy the stuff to sell.

Wonder if he contacted the FDA on this. I'm not so sure the regs allow this, but not willing to check the wording at this point :lol: I hope that's true.
 
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Wonder if he contacted the FDA on this. I'm not so sure the regs allow this, but not willing to check the wording at this point :lol: I hope that's true.
I don't see why it wouldn't be. He is not manufacturing anything. It is on the manufacturers to do the PMTA stuff. His problem is when those manufacturers don't do what they need to do. Then keeping his shop stocked could get ugly.
 

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Wonder if he contacted the FDA on this. I'm not so sure the regs allow this, but not willing to check the wording at this point :lol: I hope that's true.
As a retailer, if he doesn't engage in anything the fda considers to be manufacturing, he should be good. Basically selling sealed packages off the shelf. Of course he won't be able to put anything together or create kits, but he could "bundle" necessary stuff together, I would assume.
 

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I don't see why it wouldn't be. He is not manufacturing anything. It is on the manufacturers to do the PMTA stuff. His problem is when those manufacturers don't do what they need to do. Then keeping his shop stocked could get ugly.

A big "IF" to base your business on. Yet if the PMTA's go through - something I personally doubt will happen, because I think they're trying to shut down vaping entirely - then he should be good.
 
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Semi update on the odd vape shop we have in town. I took a drive to the big city and it seems ours here in my small town is one of 7 all owned by the same man that are scattered around the area. I apparently talked to a local manager at the one here. THis time I talked to the owner. It seems I was given misinformation by the local shop and I new understand how they are going to stay functional past Aug 8.

Aug 7 will be the last day they sell their made in house juices. After that they will be selling 0 nic only from major juice manufacturers. They sell no mechs or outright rebuildables and they do not teach rebuilding or build coils in shop.

As he put it they are no different than Wal Mart in the sense that they are only going to be selling stuff made by someone else and it is on the manufacturers to file the PMTAs. He said as long as he files the paperwork as a seller of other manufacturers good that they FDA requires he is good to go until he can't buy the stuff to sell. Then he said "2 years is a long time. Anything could happen between now and then. He is keeping his fingers crossed and helping to support various lawsuits."

So there is your update.

I Hope his Strategy buys him (and anyone else) enough Time for possible Changes to occur at the FDA. And with the Deeming/PMTA Rule set.
 

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As a retailer, if he doesn't engage in anything the fda considers to be manufacturing, he should be good. Basically selling sealed packages off the shelf. Of course he won't be able to put anything together or create kits, but he could "bundle" necessary stuff together, I would assume.

As long as he Doesn't alter it in ANY Way, and as long as it Meets the Labeling Requirements, this is how I understand it.

Much like what some have decided to do in Indiana with That set of Monopolistic Regulations.
 

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