If enough people decide to ignore the "rule of law", then there is no law...
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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the definition of civil disobedience
“Civil Disobedience” definition
(1849) An essay by Henry David Thoreau. It contains his famous statement “That government is best which governs least,” and asserts that people's obligations to their own conscience take precedence over their obligations to their government. Thoreau also argues that if, in following their conscience, people find it necessary to break the laws of the state, they should be prepared to pay penalties, including imprisonment.
I'm about at the point where I am willing to go to jail.
“Civil Disobedience” definition
(1849) An essay by Henry David Thoreau. It contains his famous statement “That government is best which governs least,” and asserts that people's obligations to their own conscience take precedence over their obligations to their government. Thoreau also argues that if, in following their conscience, people find it necessary to break the laws of the state, they should be prepared to pay penalties, including imprisonment.
I'm about at the point where I am willing to go to jail.
Check this out please and tell me if it is saying what I think it is. 
Fingers crossed.
Federal Register :: Refuse To Accept Procedures for Premarket Tobacco Product Submissions; Withdrawal
Fingers crossed.Federal Register :: Refuse To Accept Procedures for Premarket Tobacco Product Submissions; Withdrawal
To me it's saying the FDA will no longer have a procedure in place to refuse PMTA's.Check this out please and tell me if it is saying what I think it is.
Federal Register :: Refuse To Accept Procedures for Premarket Tobacco Product Submissions; Withdrawal
Hmmmm.... but, it says this
Therefore, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and under authority delegated to the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, the direct final rule published on August 8, 2016, (81 FR 52329) is withdrawn.
Dated: November 9, 2016.
Peter Lurie,
Associate Commissioner for Public Health Strategy and Analysis.
Therefore, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and under authority delegated to the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, the direct final rule published on August 8, 2016, (81 FR 52329) is withdrawn.
Dated: November 9, 2016.
Peter Lurie,
Associate Commissioner for Public Health Strategy and Analysis.
Hmmm, waiting to hear some comments on this. I'm with you salem, fingers crossed. Thanks for posting.
Someone else just pointed this out though. Darn it.
On August 8, the FDA issued a direct final rule (with a companion proposed rule) describing when the agency would refuse to accept a tobacco product application. Due to some significant comments received during the 30-day comment period, the FDA is withdrawing the direct final rule. The FDA will consider the comments received and will proceed with the proposed rule, which was issued concurrently with the final rule, through the usual rulemaking procedures.
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Yeah, this is what they are withdrawing-
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a proposed rule describing when FDA would refuse to accept a tobacco product submission (or application) because the application has not met a minimum threshold for acceptability for FDA review. Under the proposed rule, FDA would refuse to accept a tobacco product submission, for example, that is not in English, does not pertain to a tobacco product, or does not identify the Start Printed Page 52372type of submission. By refusing to accept submissions that have the deficiencies identified in the proposed rule, FDA would be able to focus our review resources on submissions that meet a threshold of acceptability and encourage quality submissions. If we receive any significant adverse comments that warrant terminating the direct final rule, we will consider such comments on the proposed rule in developing the final rule.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a proposed rule describing when FDA would refuse to accept a tobacco product submission (or application) because the application has not met a minimum threshold for acceptability for FDA review. Under the proposed rule, FDA would refuse to accept a tobacco product submission, for example, that is not in English, does not pertain to a tobacco product, or does not identify the Start Printed Page 52372type of submission. By refusing to accept submissions that have the deficiencies identified in the proposed rule, FDA would be able to focus our review resources on submissions that meet a threshold of acceptability and encourage quality submissions. If we receive any significant adverse comments that warrant terminating the direct final rule, we will consider such comments on the proposed rule in developing the final rule.
Mr. Robin would miss his woman.
Sounds like they just figured out where all the ecigs come from.(or someone let them in on the 'secret') So with the exception of Provape there are no manufacturer of ecigs here in the US...someone correct me if I am wrong. Wondering whom it may be.....???
Guess they have the look of a deer in the headlights. See,,, alway do due diligence....LOL
eta: also if the judge rules that zero nic is not a tobacco product then guess what most of the vendors will sell from now on......
Pres elect Trump's new website, www.greatagain.gov contains an invitation to "share your ideas" and to "tell your story." We have lots and lots of stories that promote vaping as a successful means of THR, and a few ideas on how to save vaping. It can't hurt, and it just might help.
{{{Hugs }}}Well that story took a while to tell.........
Done!
Dang I'm angry.
Wish I could hug everyone's anger away
I sent mine in shortly after it was put up. Someone had posted it over on FB.
Well that story took a while to tell.........
Done!
Dang I'm angry.
I would kind of like to know what you guys are saying on this thing, their are a lot of issues we are facing with the FDA deeming, and what is going on in our local states that I am really worked up about. Also wondering if this will go unacknowledged, like all the other letters I have wrote.
KAS
I would kind of like to know what you guys are saying on this thing, their are a lot of issues we are facing with the FDA deeming, and what is going on in our local states that I am really worked up about. Also wondering if this will go unacknowledged, like all the other letters I have wrote.
KAS
For myself, I told of the FDA's overreach in their regulations is helping to close vape shops. Mom and Pop businesses that employ people, pay taxes and help the economy. I also shared a small part of my personal story. I tried to emphasize the fact that these are not big tobacco in any way shape or form. That vaping has helped many hard core smokers quit smoking.
I'm hoping that just mentioning the draconian regulations that the FDA has enacted will help sway him to our side... just possible?
I did too,Robin..........
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