Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[stols001]

I can't imagine anyone opening a vape shop at the moment, either. It's too bad. Though I can't say I blame a person.... It was kind of like when I bought my first house.... We recieved a $18k water bill (in error) and they did end up dropping the issue, but it was a PITA. Can't imagine how a new vape shop would feel NOT knowing about hidden costs.... OR knowing about them and thinking that was remotely a good investment.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

Just now heard from you regarding Rob selling the company I hope the new owners do well, and I need to order some bits & pieces now...

They kept the same website address. I haven't dealt with them yet but I will be getting a couple more springs, SS 510 screws and a firing pins. (Before the federal government puts them out of business for the health and well-being of the children.)

 

[Eskie]

They kept the same website address. I haven't dealt with them yet but I will be getting a couple more springs, SS 510 screws and a firing pins. (Before the federal government puts them out of business for the health and well-being of the children.)

Next those screws and pins will arrive in a little bag marked "Small objects may be swallowed by young children".

 

[stols001]

I think they're going to stick to the "nicotine" warning, more persistent and messagy. We ALL know that small objects should be kept from children, we don't know that nicotine is contained in (most of our) vape devices, especially when they arrive EMPTY. For BT, it's all about "On message."

Anna

 

[DaveP]

We all wonder why government doesn't reign in Big Tobacco and why it's giving vaping a hard time with the FDA. It's 2010 data, but still interesting.

How Much is the Government Making Off of Tobacco?

 

[DaveP]

"Not one thin dime."

At least not from me, in the form of "tobacco" taxes applied to vape goods.

I fear that we may eventually be the next cash cow for government. Right now, they are still getting their smoking sin taxes from BT, but I think they have eyes on us.

It all depends on what and how they tax in the future. Stock up.

 

[Rossum]

It all depends on what and how they tax in the future. Stock up.

Done. I finished a year ago. That's why they'll never get a dime from me, despite the fact that I'm nominally a resident of a state that implemented a 40% tax last October.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I fear that we may eventually be the next cash cow for government. Right now, they are still getting their smoking sin taxes from BT, but I think they have eyes on us.

It all depends on what and how they tax in the future. Stock up.

Done. I have REO spare parts, a boat load of stuff frozen (consider me a generational enabler). And I have a will not to be dictated to by a group of career politicians and bureaucrats who probably think that food really does come from the neighborhood Kroger.

 

[DaveP]

I'm still shopping wisely for mods and RTAs and anything that might be crucial, but hard to find if the FDA is successful and overbearing on vaping in general.

I don't worry about PG and VG and not a lot with flavorings, but my 70 small bottles of flavors (mostly 10ml and 15ml) won't last forever. I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that flavorings will be restricted unless they are WTA or contain actual extracted components of tobacco. I probably need to order large bottles of my favorites.

The wire we use to recoil is also used in making floral arrangements and other crafts. Cotton is safe as well as rayon an silica.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Kanthal, organic cotton, VG and food flavorings - I figure those are safe from the heavy hand.

I'm still shopping wisely for mods and RTAs and anything that might be crucial, but hard to find if the FDA is successful and overbearing on vaping in general.

I don't worry about PG and VG and not a lot with flavorings, but my 70 small bottles of flavors (mostly 10ml and 15ml) won't last forever. I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that flavorings will be restricted unless they are WTA or contain actual extracted components of tobacco. I probably need to order large bottles of my favorites.

The wire we use to recoil is also used in making floral arrangements and other crafts. Cotton is safe as well as rayon an silica.

 

[Eskie]

Kanthal, organic cotton, VG and food flavorings - I figure those are safe from the heavy hand.

And batteries. Otherwise I'm self sufficient at this point. I'll probably still buy some more shinys, but if everything disappeared from the market today I'd be happy with what I have.

 

[vapepink]

Has there been any news on the Nicopure lawsuit? It's been so long I almost forgot about it...

There was probably a delay with there being a new administration. I would think there should be a decision made any day now.

 

[Eskie]

There was probably a delay with there being a new administration. I would think there should be a decision made any day now.

Actually, a court should function independent of anything having to do with a new administration. If there was a ruling and either party wanted to pursue it after it not turning out for them the way they hoped, then new management at the Dept. of Justice might look at it and decide what if any appeal should take place. Otherwise, once it's in the hands of the judge, it wouldn't matter who was elected.

 

[ChelsB]

So other than joining CASA, what are some of the other things someone like me can do to help the cause?

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

So other than joining CASA, what are some of the other things someone like me can do to help the cause?

Write, call, educate

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[newyork13]

Well, I tried to order JUUL pods last night from the Pax website...

$15.99/pk best price around

Popped 4 packs in my cart, got free shipping, and prepared to pay $68 (after taxes).

Get to the final checkout screen, only to see my total is $98!!!!!!

Turns out, California now has an excise tax rate (on vapor products) of 65%...

Apparently this is the work of Prop 56...

And it feels like the type of taxation fuggery that sparked the Boston Tea Party.

I really hope our government pulls its head out of the swamp.

I mean, I know it will never happen, but I still hope.

A lot of other countries have opened their eyes to vapor products...hell, even the Prime Wizard of New Zealand reversed their ban on vapor products after he/she saw A Billion Lives.

You'd think America would want to help set the standard/example for forward thinking in the case of vapor products...but no.

Tax money must taste really good.

I'm not doubting the influence of taxation.
But, don't forget, this country was founded (from a European white perspective) by the Puritans from England.
That culture still runs deep here. Sensuality, sexuality, pleasure...are not explicitly accepted as good, normal or healthy. It's all a wink-wink snickering kind of thing. Vaping falls in that category, despite its health benefits. Look at how long it's taken for that herb which i'm not permitted to name here which has clear medicinal benefits to begin to be acknowledged. Pathetic.

 

[jcoopercam]

I gotta be honest, I never thought the US was going to lead the way in studying this issue impartially... I think we have the most third world country (in many areas of the country) that is actually portrayed as a first world country. Japan laughts at our speeds on our smartphones (their networks are incredible), much of the infrastructure is crumbling, and we're having a hard time adjusting to automation, versus jobs. I mean, look at the birth/death rate compared to some other countries, though it IS improving slowly. I live in Tucson which is really WAY down there as far as education, infrastructure (no, I'm not talking about the wall, I'm talking about the roads), and... Well, it's quite different than many other areas and in some ways, incredibly interesting.

If something is *useful* to an ex-smoker, it will either be taxed or eliminated, IMO. California is just way ahead of the curve when it comes to taxation! Interestingly, it's also gone bankrupt several times.... You can only tax something so much before you starve the thriving industry that is starting to happen. The politicans lurk around, waiting for it.... Only makes it worse. The two party system has become a joke, really. Trump said some interesting things during his "run" I have yet to see much implemented as far as healthcare reform (he said he would lower the cost of drugs and allow ones from overseas to be sold here without the FDA). Either he was a great grandstander, or he's found "politics". I wish Gary Johnson would have won....

Anna

I can't even tell you how many keystrokes I've wasted blaming the Clinton's, Obama, Marxists, Liberals, Democrats, etc... In reality, it's not a party issue at all. Greed is the culprit, not any particular political party. As a matter of fact, Republicans use to refer to Bill Clinton as "...the best Republican the Democrats ever elected."

 

[Eskie]

I can't even tell you how many keystrokes I've wasted blaming the Clinton's, Obama, Marxists, Liberals, Democrats, etc... In reality, it's not a party issue at all. Greed is the culprit, not any particular political party. As a matter of fact, Republicans use to refer to Bill Clinton as "...the best Republican the Democrats ever elected."

The thing I never got was why strive for bipartisan cooperation and support. How about nonpartisan cooperation and support and actually get something done? And you're right, greed contributed to that, but so did a slack electorate. Why is it Americans at best turn out at 50% to vote? Most democracies its a lot higher, and the folks elected know they only have to reach a small group to throw and election their way, not the entire populace. I'll complain about politicians like everyone else, but US citizens have not been doing their job too.

 

[DPLongo22]

The thing I never got was why strive for bipartisan cooperation and support. How about nonpartisan cooperation and support and actually get something done? And you're right, greed contributed to that, but so did a slack electorate. Why is it Americans at best turn out at 50% to vote? Most democracies its a lot higher, and the folks elected know they only have to reach a small group to throw and election their way, not the entire populace. I'll complain about politicians like everyone else, but US citizens have not been doing their job too.

Good point, Eskie. Being that we're a republic, it's even more difficult to fathom, since it's much easier for our votes to count under this design. I'll go to my grave never understanding a decision to not go out and vote, when given the opportunity.

 

[Bronze]

I'll complain about politicians like everyone else, but US citizens have not been doing their job too.

I've been saying this for years and get piled on for saying it. We can complain about politicians all day long but in the end we have only ourselves to blame when we re-elect the same people over and over.