Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I would take him at his word. He's been known to vape dill pickle flavored juice as well.
As my grandmother used to say, “ To each his own, said the old woman as she kissed the cow.” :lol:. I’d love to know where THAT saying originated, it certainly paints a picture
 
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What I'd like to know is where in the world does one even find Worcestershire sauce and dill pickle type flavorings?? I've looked for dill pickle before and it was nowhere to be found.

But I don't think I could bring myself to wanting to try Worcestershire sauce flavoring. I don't want to punish myself too much, after all. :)

TFA Bacon wasn't too bad, once I diluted it down to pre-nuclear concentration (10% of 10%). My mom actually liked that one more, and strictly just vaped that with no nicotine.
TFA Pizza is actually pretty good, but just watch out for grape pizza - because trust me, it's not as good as it sounds. :D
 

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What I'd like to know is where in the world does one even find Worcestershire sauce and dill pickle type flavorings?? I've looked for dill pickle before and it was nowhere to be found.

But I don't think I could bring myself to wanting to try Worcestershire sauce flavoring. I don't want to punish myself too much, after all. :)

TFA Bacon wasn't too bad, once I diluted it down to pre-nuclear concentration (10% of 10%). My mom actually liked that one more, and strictly just vaped that with no nicotine.
TFA Pizza is actually pretty good, but just watch out for grape pizza - because trust me, it's not as good as it sounds. :D

Tfa discontinued the Worcestershire flavor, I bought 2 qts before it was gone.! Like the bacon, a little goes a long way. Have you ever had broiled peaches for desert ? A standard peach recipe with a few drops of Worcestershire nails it.
 

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Thought this little bit of news was relevant here.
------"All flavors need to be eliminated," she said.
I've never been more ashamed to be left wing than I am right now. :(

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Do that with all the soft drinks, sweets, and various other flavored items in the food chain and we'd whip obesity in a year.
 

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Nope, it is straight up communism if you ask me. I mean... the liberals are either gonna have to split parties, and/or assume the mantle of communism.

They're so freaking dopey about it too... Like, if you say to one "That sounds a lot like communism to me!" they say stuff like, "No, it's just equality for everyone!" Or "You know, it's like fair access."

Then, me being me, I tell them they should move to China and/or Russia, where their chosen political system is already in place. They never want to.

I read their manifesto "Rules for Radicals" and quite frankly it was FRIGHTENING.

I was a socialist in my youth but I had to admit, except for oh, say weird little places like Sweden, it does not work. Australia is now an epic fail where a TON of folks purchase their non socialist health insurance from the free market. England is kind of limping along.... And Canada, the magic place where everything is backwards, is like somehow magically doing it. That's sort of about it.

Open your borders: Wind up like France. You do NOT want to wind up like France.

I think the US is one of the few truly capitalist societies left and if there is ONE thing I salute Trump for, it is attempting to recreate that. I may not be at ONE with his methods (the fence is a bad idea, I remain in favor of targeted drone strikes, although I know we CAN'T) but that would be a really effective deterrent in my opinion because it's not like the Mexicans are dumb, you don't get to run a cartel if you are not SUPER SCARY SMART etc. Also, you don't get to run a cartel if ALL your workers are dead, either.

At least give them a challenge, if you ask me. I know, you didn't..

It would be a very sad thing to lose one of the few capitalist societies left, and I'm also BEYOND TIRED of propping up the rest of the world financially out of some GUILT thing. Really super sick of it.

Anna
 

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Article this am in the Atl Journal Constitution, from Washington post. Can't find a link directly to it.
I wonder how the mechanics of making the industry pay are supposed to work, exactly. This may tell us a little bit about what he'll expect from Gottleib's replacment.
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Article this am in the Atl Journal Constitution, from Washington post. Can't find a link directly to it.
I wonder how the mechanics of making the industry pay are supposed to work, exactly. This may tell us a little bit about what he'll expect from Gottleib's replacment.

Kinda been Waiting for this Showdown to happen.

Here's the thing, since e-Liquids falls outside of a Statutory Classification of a Tobacco Product type, it can be argued that the FDA does Not have the authority to collect User Fees under the FD&C Act. That it was Only thru Deeming that e-Liquids were Fubarized into a Tobacco Product in the first place.


2. Allocations of Assessment by Class of Tobacco Products
  1. In General. The total user fees assessed and collected under subsection (a) each fiscal year with respect to each class of tobacco products shall be an amount that is equal to the applicable percentage of each class for the fiscal year multiplied by the amount specified in paragraph (1) for the fiscal year. Section 919 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act - User Fees
2. Allocations of Assessment by Class of Tobacco Products
  1. In General. The total user fees assessed and collected under subsection (a) each fiscal year with respect to each class of tobacco products shall be an amount that is equal to the applicable percentage of each class for the fiscal year multiplied by the amount specified in paragraph (1) for the fiscal year.
  2. Applicable Percentage
    1. In General. For purposes of subparagraph (A), the applicable percentage for a fiscal year for each of the following classes of tobacco products shall be determined in accordance with clause (ii):
      1. Cigarettes.
      2. Cigars, including small cigars and cigars other than small cigars.
      3. Snuff.
      4. Chewing tobacco.
      5. Pipe tobacco.
      6. Roll-your-own tobacco.
    2. Allocations. The applicable percentage of each class of tobacco product described in clause (i) for a fiscal year shall be the percentage determined under section 625(c) of Public Law 108-357 for each such class of product for such fiscal year.
    3. Requirement of Regulations. Notwithstanding clause (ii), no user fees shall be assessed on a class of tobacco products unless such class of tobacco products is listed in section 901(b) or is deemed by the Secretary in a regulation under section 901(b) to be subject to this chapter.
    4. Reallocations. In the case of a class of tobacco products that is not listed in section 901(b) or deemed by the Secretary in a regulation under section 901(b) to be subject to this chapter, the amount of user fees that would otherwise be assessed to such class of tobacco products shall be reallocated to the classes of tobacco products that are subject to this chapter in the same manner and based on the same relative percentages otherwise determined under clause (ii).
Section 919 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act - User Fees

Of course, that has Never Stopped a Government Agency from extending their reach when it comes to a revenue stream. Especially when the Government is 20T in the hole.

So many believe this will decided in Federal Court.

Here some related FDA Published Information...

Tobacco User Fees

Small Entity Compliance Guide: Requirements for the Submission of Data Needed to Calculate User Fees for Domestic Manufacturers and Importers of Tobacco Products
 
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