Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Rossum]

I can attest to the above. My mother, to the best of my memory, never added any spices or herbs. My father was a meat and potatoes kind of person, so mom didn't have a broad selection of items for the dinner table.

Fried chicken had a plain flour batter. Steak was broiled without spices. Spaghetti was cooked with a plain spaghetti sauce from a can or jar. You might be surprised by the number of items that I put ketchup on just to add some flavor. Ie mashed potatoes, baked beans, spaghetti, etc.

I once brought home a Jamaican girlfriend to visit, and she was appalled at how bland my mother's food was. Aside from salt and pepper that was on the dinner table, Mom didn't spice up her food at all. Since I grew up eating this way, I didn't know any better.

When I cook now as an adult, I like to experiment with adding different spices, rubs, sautees, to add FLAVOR to my food. I live with my brother, and he won't eat my food. "Mom never cooked it that way."

My wife's mother cooks like that. But not my wife. I had her spend some time with my mother before I married her!

 

[ScottP]

I just thought of something. If that Indiana ban ever actually did go through, along with some of the other legalizations, we could end up in a completely upside down scenario where someone gets busted with a bag of oregano and tries to lie to the cops: "naw man that ain't oregano, it's just w..d".

 

[sofarsogood]

This page has a link to a PDF put out by the FDA proposing to speed up their time tables. Apparently the time for public comments has been extended to April 30th. The document is so large and rambling I haven't yet figured out what the new proposed dates are and for what actions.
Modifications to Compliance Policy for Certain Deemed Tobacco Products

"This guidance document discusses changes to the compliance policies for premarket review requirements for certain deemed tobacco products and describes how we intend to prioritize our enforcement resources with regard to the marketing of certain deemed tobacco products that do not have premarket authorization."

 

[ScottP]

This page has a link to a PDF put out by the FDA proposing to speed up their time tables. Apparently the time for public comments has been extended to April 30th. The document is so large and rambling I haven't yet figured out what the new proposed dates are and for what actions.
Modifications to Compliance Policy for Certain Deemed Tobacco Products

"This guidance document discusses changes to the compliance policies for premarket review requirements for certain deemed tobacco products and describes how we intend to prioritize our enforcement resources with regard to the marketing of certain deemed tobacco products that do not have premarket authorization."

Ok here is the breakdown of what is coming:

Beginning 30 days after this change is finalized they will begin the standard deeming enforcement of flavored e-cigs (other than tobacco-flavored, mint-flavored, and menthol-flavored) that are sold in locations minors can access at anytime, or online without age verification, and may appeal to minors will no longer be able to be sold without completing the PMTA process. In other words flavored POD systems other than the mentioned flavors are about to need a PMTA to be sold. I am not sure if any of them have that completed at this point.

The rest of it is still coming, but in stages and as required to reduce teen vaping.

We better hope they don't decide to start using real mods.

 

[sofarsogood]

Ok here is the breakdown of what is coming:

Beginning 30 days after this change is finalized they will begin the standard deeming enforcement of flavored e-cigs (other than tobacco-flavored, mint-flavored, and menthol-flavored) that are sold in locations minors can access at anytime, or online without age verification, and may appeal to minors will no longer be able to be sold without completing the PMTA process. In other words flavored POD systems other than the mentioned flavors are about to need a PMTA to be sold. I am not sure if any of them have that completed at this point.

The rest of it is still coming, but in stages and as required to reduce teen vaping.

We better hope they don't decide to start using real mods.

It sounds targeted towards one brand, JUUL. So by this summer only JUUL pods with the limited flavors will be available?

The "epidemic" statistics would include all kids using all products. Could banning JUUL products reduce the teen statistics enough to satisfy the FDA? That might take another year of collecting data to know.

This will be an experiment on millions of kids and adults currently relying on JUUL products. Will enough of them go to smoking to show up in statistics?

Another consideration is that the US has only a few percent of the world's smokers. JUUL will continue to manufacture and sell in nations where it's allowed. What percent of JUUL sales are outside of the US? If the products are available offshore then there will be offshore mail order companies carrying the product.

Cigarettes need to be banned so kids can't get them. Cigarettes kill people, e-cigs don't.

 

[bombastinator]

Having one sip off a friends beer at a party makes one an alcoholic needing treatment according to our FDA. When did they ever worry about that scenario?

It actually can. Just in very very rare cases. Needs a particular kind of genetics that have been bred out of most Western Europeans by alcoholics dying for hundreds of years. It’s still around in nations where they don’t drink alcohol.

 

[bombastinator]

TWO MONTHS?

M'ethinks he is going to do something that he feels might get him killed (like ban ecigs) and then he's going into the witness protection program.

To be honest, he really deserves to, that lifestyle looks horrible and I currently sort of feel similarly as I sit here and fail to pack. Maybe I need to freaking... Pack the computer. Call the husband for a pep talk.

Something, Right now I'm sitting waiting for the advil to kick in.

I mean I realize he's in the government but two months seems unduly lengthy.

Anna

There could be a bunch of reasons for it. The prime possibility I’m thinking, is there’s some sort of limit imposed and that’s the minimum. Trump has a heck of a time getting even marginally competent people to work for him. (Blame whichever party you want for that one. The whole thing looks like a hairball from here) He may have required it.

 

[ScottP]

TWO MONTHS?

M'ethinks he is going to do something that he feels might get him killed (like ban ecigs) and then he's going into the witness protection program.

To be honest, he really deserves to, that lifestyle looks horrible and I currently sort of feel similarly as I sit here and fail to pack. Maybe I need to freaking... Pack the computer. Call the husband for a pep talk.

Something, Right now I'm sitting waiting for the advil to kick in.

I mean I realize he's in the government but two months seems unduly lengthy.

Anna

There could be a bunch of reasons for it. The prime possibility I’m thinking, is there’s some sort of limit imposed and that’s the minimum. Trump has a heck of a time getting even marginally competent people to work for him. (Blame whichever party you want for that one. The whole thing looks like a hairball from here) He may have required it.

So his past Friday was his last day. He is now gone.

 

[bombastinator]

So his past Friday was his last day. He is now gone.

Who’s the replacement? Did they get one or move to the fallback?

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Who’s the replacement? Did they get one or move to the fallback?

I don't think it changed from the original announcement. Latest I can find from a 4/4 article mentioned him with this link:
National Cancer Chief, Ned Sharpless, Named F.D.A.’s Acting Commissioner

 

[Rossum]

Cigarettes need to be banned so kids can't get them.

Yep, banning stuff will definitely prevent kinds from getting it!

 

[DaveP]

Because then every cordless tool batter pack and every toaster would fall under the TCA, and they're not that stupid. Then they would risk the whole thing getting tossed as totally nonsensica.

Not to mention flashlights that use 18650 lithium cells. I have half a dozen 18650 T-6 CREE LED flashlights.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The only important thing about governmental regulation is to understand that once the momentum to regulate begins it may be slowed but rarely is it halted. This is particularly true if the affected parties are considered numerically insignificant and should those affected be sinners, to boot, out enjoying themselves in unapproved ways, then so much the better. Prohibition failed, not because drinkers were sinners out enjoying themselves in debauchery but rather, it failed because the nannies underestimated the numerical significance of those seeking to consume that sinful stuff and underestimated the risks the sinners would take to do so. Vapers lack the numbers and are seen as sinners, spreading evil upon the youth, the gullible and the irresponsible. Add in that vapers seek to avoid the tax man, you have the trifecta - too few to be bothered with, licentious, sinful behavior and tax avoidance.

I no longer worry with regulators, they are going to regulate, it is their reason for being. I concern myself with mechanisms by which both the regulators and their regulations are neutered as to myself and my actions. This applies to many areas of life where crusaders seeking the good for us all are active - vaping being one of many.

 

[CMD-Ky]

deleted double post and probably wasn't that great the first time.

 

[Opinionated]

I can attest to the above. My mother, to the best of my memory, never added any spices or herbs. My father was a meat and potatoes kind of person, so mom didn't have a broad selection of items for the dinner table.

Fried chicken had a plain flour batter. Steak was broiled without spices. Spaghetti was cooked with a plain spaghetti sauce from a can or jar. You might be surprised by the number of items that I put ketchup on just to add some flavor. Ie mashed potatoes, baked beans, spaghetti, etc.

I once brought home a Jamaican girlfriend to visit, and she was appalled at how bland my mother's food was. Aside from salt and pepper that was on the dinner table, Mom didn't spice up her food at all. Since I grew up eating this way, I didn't know any better.

When I cook now as an adult, I like to experiment with adding different spices, rubs, sautees, to add FLAVOR to my food. I live with my brother, and he won't eat my food. "Mom never cooked it that way."

Older generations cooked like that because there wasn't the availability of various spices back then like there is today. Salt and pepper was nearly all that was available unless you grew it yourself.

Thing is, one generation teaches the next to cook, and things like cooking without spices and herbs becomes the norm, because that's how they were taught and didn't know any differently.

 

[Baditude]

Older generations cooked like that because there wasn't the availability of various spices back then like there is today. Salt and pepper was nearly all that was available unless you grew it yourself.

Thing is, one generation teaches the next to cook, and things like cooking without spices and herbs becomes the norm, because that's how they were taught and didn't know any differently.

My older relatives grew up during the Great Depression, so they made do with what they had or could afford. I remember them telling me that at times they ate mayonnaise or tomato sandwiches because that was all that they could afford. I can remember my grandfather eating raw sliced onion sandwiches.

 

[rosesense]

My older relatives grew up during the Great Depression, so they made do with what they had or could afford. I remember them telling me that at times they ate mayonnaise or tomato sandwiches because that was all that they could afford.

I remember visiting a friend's house when we were 8th graders. For lunch we had canned pineapple slices, mayo on bread. It is what they could afford.

 

[DaveP]

I remember visiting a friend's house when we were 8th graders. For lunch we had canned pineapple slices, mayo on bread. It is what they could afford.

That was one of my favorites as a kid! We didn't know then that we weren't rich, though. Back then, we considered ourselves middle class. Pineapple sandwiches here and there for lunch in the summer and steak on the grill on most Friday nights during the Summer.

I realized that others were way ahead of us when I entered senior high. The rich kids had new Mustangs and Camaros. I was driving a 56 Chevy that I had to work on most of the time, but I soon learned how to use a Chilton's auto repair manual. It was good experience.

I later went through an electronics course at 19 that led to a 36 year career with a major company and the opportunities opened up. Life has been good.

 

[leftyandsparky]

I still eat tomato sandwiches, also pineapple, but my favorite is potato salad sandwiches!

 

[mikepetro]

I still eat tomato sandwiches, also pineapple, but my favorite is potato salad sandwiches!

Fried potato sandwichs, thick slices of potato, with a thin slice of raw onion on buttered bread.
(My wife thinks I am weird)