Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[CMD-Ky]

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Yeah, but most folks here are too, uhm, frugal to spend that kind of money on a charger, and besides the dang thing is complicated; it works best connected to a PC. I'm not sure I want to be bothered with that, and I recently bought West Mountain Radio CBA.

I looked at that thing, never saw the price but saw how complex it was. I'd like to find a charger that could have an relatively easy method of "capping" a charge.

 

[HigherStateD]

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I looked at that thing, never saw the price but saw how complex it was. I'd like to find a charger that could have an relatively easy method of "capping" a charge.

I'd imagine that's not a simple feature, easily implemented.

 

[Nermal]

Sure we do. But most consumer products that use li-ion batteries now has them not user replaceable. The exception is power tools, but I'm not sure they qualify as consumer products to begin with, and being able to swap in a new battery is pretty much essential to their use.

The question is whether this is done for reasons of safety, or planned obsolescence.

Lithium-Ion Rechargeable Battery Limitations Emerge

Not sure this hearing aid battery article is relevant to anything, but I've been waiting for a chance to post it somewhere.

 

[Zazie]

That reads like it was commissioned by Big Silver-Zinc. Interesting, regardless.

 

[Rossum]

Mooch addressed the freezer/cold storage for batteries. As I remember, it's unadvisable, as condensation is problematic, and there are only minimal, if any gains.

Condensation can be mitigated.

I've not come across any real data just how minimal those gains are, so about a month ago, I decided to find out for myself. I'll have some preliminary results next summer, but it may take more years than that to have anything truly definitive.

 

[Rossum]

I'd imagine that's not a simple feature, easily implemented.

I don't think it would be that hard. Plenty of chargers out there handle various battery chemistry that all have different voltage caps. The only problem is that none of those readily available settings are what folks here are looking for.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Condensation can be mitigated.

I agree.
Use a "Vac & Seal" at room temperature, include a desiccant and refrigerate after evacuating the air.

Edit: Open after the sealed package reaches room temperature.

 

[DaveP]

Sure we do. But most consumer products that use li-ion batteries now has them not user replaceable. The exception is power tools, but I'm not sure they qualify as consumer products to begin with, and being able to swap in a new battery is pretty much essential to their use.

The question is whether this is done for reasons of safety, or planned obsolescence.

Aren't most lithium power tool batteries in replaceable pack format?

The safety issues with 18650's are many if we aren't properly informed. Too many people who don't understand the safety implications of lithium tech would drop them in a pocket with change. Hopefully, most ecig and high end flashlight people know how to use them safely.

I don't doubt that lithium cells will be controlled at some point, but the market for those is huge. No flashlight enthusiast wants a light with sealed lithium cells or LEDs. That would put it into throwaway status. The price would have to match the longevity status and profits would drop.

 

[zoiDman]

Embattled Juul seeks allies in Washington

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

FDA seeks reports related to seizures following e-cigarette use

Not sure if this will show up.

 

[Hoggy]

Question though: Has anybody heard of ANYTHING that suggests to restrict lithium-ion batteries to consumers yet?

I don't think there has been, but I'm not the most up-to-date on news.

I tend to think of this battery talk as another sky-is-falling, like we've been having for DIY nicotine for the past, I dunno, at least 7 years for me.

 

[Baditude]

Has anybody heard of ANYTHING that suggests to restrict lithium-ion batteries to consumers yet?

I don't think there has been, but I'm not the most up-to-date on news.

Sony and LG have both sent warning letters to numerous battery suppliers not to sell their batteries for use outside of the their protective battery packs, and specifically identified their use for e-cigarettes. Some suppliers have complied with those wishes.

The FDA has worked with Underwriters Laboratories in a study concerning safer use of lithium batteries in e-cigarette devices. UL concluded that removeable lithium batteries carried increased user risks and recommended the use of non-removeable internal battery mods. I don't believe the FDA has the power to restrict the sale of removeable batteries, but they do have the power to restrict the sale of mods which use removeable batteries. FEMA might have the power to restrict the sale of removeable lithium batteries for consumer use (see letter from Sony above).

Why safer vaping devices that don't explode will not be available in the U.S.​

 

[Bronze]

Sony and LG have both sent warning letters to numerous battery suppliers not to sell their batteries for use outside of the their protective battery packs. Some suppliers have complied with those wishes.

The FDA has worked with Underwriters Laboratories in a study concerning safer use of lithium batteries in e-cigarette devices. UL concluded that removeable lithium batteries carried increased user risks and recommended the use of non-removeable internal battery mods. I don't believe the FDA has the power to restrict the sale of removeable batteries, but they do have the power to restrict the sale of mods which use removeable batteries.

Why safer vaping devices that don't explode will not be available in the U.S.​

I'd like to see the letter they sent to flashlight retailers stating the same.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

FDA seeks reports related to seizures following e-cigarette use

Not sure if this will show up.

I read a couple dozen or so of the actual reports and the common thread I found was => I heard about this on the news so that is why I'm reporting it. One was particularly interesting in that during two visits to the neurologist they asked the neurologist if it could be related and the neurologist said it wasn't. Note that on that one they were taking about 5 prescription drugs already.

 

[gnees]

Authentic AW, Sony, LG, Samsung Batteries vs AW, Sony, LG, Samsung...

 

[Baditude]

I'd like to see the letter they sent to flashlight retailers stating the same.

It is interesting to question why they specifically named e-cigarettes as a major risk factor. I don't have the answer, unless they see some vapers pushing the limits of the batteries' specifications beyond their safe limits, therefore carrying a higher risk of danger. Ie mechanical mods using sub-ohm coils.

 

[englishmick]

Embattled Juul seeks allies in Washington

Everyone is appalled that Juul is hiring lobbyists to influence the politicians. That definitely shouldn't be allowed. Yeah right.

And I wonder why they are donating more to the dems than to the repubs. Maybe they figure the dems need more money because they are a harder lift. Or maybe they think it's not worth throwing money at the repubs because they have already been bought up by BT and BP.

 

[Baditude]

Authentic AW, Sony, LG, Samsung Batteries vs AW, Sony, LG, Samsung...

The first is a vape oriented website, the second is not. Same owner. Randy at RTD is covering all his bases.

 

[englishmick]

It is interesting to question why they specifically named e-cigarettes as a risk factor. I don't have the answer unless they see some vapers pushing the limits of the batteries' specifications beyond their safe limits. Ie mechanical mods.

Maybe they are worried about lawsuits. I never heard of a flashlight exploding. Could have happened though, it probably wouldn't have got the same exposure.

 

[Baditude]

Maybe they are worried about lawsuits. I never heard of a flashlight exploding. Could have happened though, it probably wouldn't have got the same exposure.

Try googling "flashlight battery explosion" and see the number of hits you get. Also google "cell phone explosion". Lithium battery use has risks for fire and/or explosions.