Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[MacTechVpr]

You could still type.

Yes, that's a terrible place to develop cancer. What's really worse than someone using a voice box machine is watching someone smoking trough their tracheotomy tube in their neck.That's a sobering sight about the addictiveness of smoking.

As well and perhaps more a testament to humanity's proclivity for self-destruction (denial). The hardest thing for any person to admit is that they are in error.

Good luck.

 

[CMD-Ky]

You could still type.

Yes, that's a terrible place to develop cancer. What's really worse than someone using a voice box machine is watching someone smoking trough their tracheotomy tube in their neck.That's a sobering sight about the addictiveness of smoking.

I spent eighteen years as a respiratory therapist before moving on to be come a member of a profession held in lower esteem than congress. I treated many many folks with laryngectomies. I made a vow that if I ever needed one, I would forego the pleasure. I have seen people smoke through the trach, not a pretty sight, but how could I, as a smoker, think anything but I gotta get off these things. Lots of years later, I did quit through the vape. But I still recall the misery these people endured - memory burn in. And I still have a secret fear in the back of my mind, whenever I think about it, that I may not yet be out of the woods.

As a side note, there were two surgeons "qualified" to do the procedure in one hospital where I worked. I could stand outside the room, with no information other than patient name and diagnosis, I would know which of the two did the surgery by listening. One "qualified" surgeon was far far worse than the other and you could hear the difference at a distance, it was that profound. Kind of scary, I thought, both had proper credentials but only one had proper skill.

 

[stols001]

I bet getting a permanent trach hole in a Tucson hospital would be in one of Dante's circles in the inferno.

He would probably put the ANTIs and most of society there, ANDERSON COOPER would preside. Dante was a pretty smart guy and his little hell book rubbed the noses in a LOT of influential popes and others let me tell you. I don't know why they didn't Hemlock him like Socrates. Probably because he was a poet. Everyone knows YOU DON"T read poetry. LOL.

I not only do. I write it. HEMLOCK INSURANCE!!!!!!!!'
Anan

 

[dreamvaper]

I wonder if you can vape through one?

sure, why not, you'd be able to mimic "Thomas the Tank Engine" with ease.
Just Imagine how cool might it be:
- a granny on the mech wheelchair rolling around and making vape clouds with a sound speaker attached and "Choo Choo!" sounds.

 

[Tabac man]

Could even vape custard though it and it wouldn't matter because ya wouldn't taste it.

 

[stols001]

Ooh I did not think of the no taste thing.

Yeah definitely I'd be smoking.

Anna

 

[Bronze]

Potential links to lung illnesses and e-cigarettes under investigation: CDC

 

[Tabac man]

Ooh I did not think of the no taste thing.

Yeah definitely I'd be smoking.

Anna

Gorra be better than custard.

 

[englishmick]

Potential links to lung illnesses and e-cigarettes under investigation: CDC

I watched an interview last night with a doctor who had treated some cases. Scary stuff.

Doc said they had checked and eliminated all the known causes of sudden lung failure. She didn't blame vaping actually. Just said vaping seemed to be common factor. That wouldn't be a surprise though. A good percentage of teens who get in car wrecks have probably vaped. And as she pointed out the sample size is tiny, there were only 4 cases in her State. Illinois I think. And two thirds of the States haven't reported any cases.

Early on most vapers were probably older people who were trying to quit smoking. It's fairly recent that it became a trendy teen thing.

For vaping to be the cause it would have be either something that only affects young immature lungs, or something that teen vapers are doing differently to older vapers, like vaping different chemicals and apparently buying pods on the street. I guess either of those is possible, but it's also possible that vaping has nothing to do with it.

 

[Bronze]

I watched an interview last night with a doctor who had treated some cases. Scary stuff.

Doc said they had checked and eliminated all the known causes of sudden lung failure. She didn't blame vaping actually. Just said vaping seemed to be common factor. That wouldn't be a surprise though. A good percentage of teens who get in car wrecks have probably vaped. And as she pointed out the sample size is tiny, there were only 4 cases in her State. Illinois I think. And two thirds of the States haven't reported any cases.

Early on most vapers were probably older people who were trying to quit smoking. It's fairly recent that it became a trendy teen thing.

For vaping to be the cause it would have be either something that only affects young immature lungs, or something that teen vapers are doing differently to older vapers, like vaping different chemicals and apparently buying pods on the street. I guess either of those is possible, but it's also possible that vaping has nothing to do with it.

But most importantly, BT and BP got the CDC to get a headline.

 

[englishmick]

But most importantly, BT and BP got the CDC to get a headline.

Right. They asked the doctor what advice she would give to teens. She seemed to resist answering but eventually she said they should consider that there was no way of knowing what the long term health effects of vaping are, and better be safe than sorry. That's probably the sound bite that will be used the most.

 

[Bronze]

Right. They asked the doctor what advice she would give to teens. She seemed to resist answering but eventually she said they should consider that there was no way of knowing what the long term health effects of vaping are, and better be safe than sorry. That's probably the sound bite that will be used the most.

Cause and effect doesn't exist in news reporting. It's who has the ulterior motive and we have do research further to get to that truth. The news wont do it. They have ulterior motives too.

 

[DavidOck]

Conveniently ignoring the fact that in some (most? all? they don't know) the people bought their "cartridges" of illegal stuff on the street. NBCs reporting on it DID include that bit of info. Briefly.

Cases of vaping-linked breathing problems now reported in 8 states, mostly in the Midwest

 

[Bronze]

Conveniently ignoring the fact that in some (most? all? they don't know) the people bought their "cartridges" of illegal stuff on the street. NBCs reporting on it DID include that bit of info. Briefly.

Cases of vaping-linked breathing problems now reported in 8 states, mostly in the Midwest

Even if they prove the kids were vaping illegal substances vaping will still get blamed. Just like gun control. The person had nothing to do with the deed. The device did it all.

 

[Bronze]

And no one thinks it odd that these cases just suddenly appeared even though people have been vaping for well over 10 years now.

 

[Baditude]

There are different types of lung cancer including those not associated with smoking. Even if that individual was a smoker, at that age it is possible, if not probable, it was a type of cancer not even related to any tobacco use. But of course they don't mention the kind of lung cancer the person suffered from.

Newer research is showing that some people's genetic profile (family history) makes them more likely to develop cancer. For example, women can be tested for genetic markers on how likely they will develop breast cancer and if the odds are high, they can choose to have a prophylactic mastectomy. If I'm not mistaken, that is what actress Angelina Jolie did.

A surgeon that I once worked with...his wife developed lung cancer and died. A year later the surgeon developed it and died, too. Both of them were in their 50's and never smoked in their lives. It turns out that there were toxic levels of radon in their home. How many of us have our homes tested for radon?

Radon | US EPA

 

[dreamvaper]

She didn't blame vaping actually. Just said vaping seemed to be common factor.

That's great.
I bet 100% of the serial killers tried ice-cream at least once in their lives. A common factor, ain't it?
So let's ban it just in case?
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There is a nice article based on some stupid antivaping claims by Professor Stanton Glantz and each of them is explained and proved to be wrong.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Newer research is showing that some people's genetic profile (family history) makes them more likely to develop cancer. For example, women can be tested for genetic markers on how likely they will develop breast cancer and if the odds are high, they can choose to have a prophylactic mastectomy. If I'm not mistaken, that is what actress Angelina Jolie did.

A surgeon that I once worked with...his wife developed lung cancer and died. A year later the surgeon developed it and died, too. Both of them were in their 50's and never smoked in the lives. It turns out that there were toxic levels of radon in their home. How many of us have our homes tested for radon?

Radon | US EPA

True this. Carbon monoxide and dioxide are also frequently implicated household toxins. there are so many potential vectors and predispositions for illness given our complex industrialized environment…it's a miracle, ain't it? Yet they so unequivocally made the connection to tobacco and now presumably nicotine. It's a settled matter. Fascinating. No doubt there will be some specific correlations extrapolated to generically implicate vaping as a causative agent. We can't possibly test every environmental factor now, can we? I mean, who would even think of such a thing when the pickin' is easy.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Potential links to lung illnesses and e-cigarettes under investigation: CDC

"Seizures are a potential side effect of nicotine toxicity, but a recent uptick in "reports of adverse experiences with tobacco products that mentioned seizures occurring with e-cigarette use (e.g., vaping) signal a potential emerging safety issue," the FDA said in April."

LOL, reminds me of that cracked squirrel in Ice Age…trip over a thousand to pick up the unattainable, one.

Good luck.

 

[Eskie]

It may well be the reason for seeing it now after 10 years of use is that the folks putting all kinds of non-nicotine mood altering drugs just figured out it would be a good marketing strategy to offer it that way.

Besides, in states where things are legalized, medical dispensaries routinely sell such cartridges with a vape / battery / mod to use it with. So the more non-nicotine use vaping hardware is used for the more episodes like this will happen. Unfortunately, vaping is the first thing people here and everything after that is just noise to them. Let's face it, the average American education system isn't known for instilling great reasoning skills in the average student. Then they graduate and think they really know everything.