Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[MLEJ]

I have no comment--just sharing. Found it while googling flavor bans...

Because Black lives matter, ban flavored tobacco sales in Chicago

The blazing stupidity is overwhelming...

"The Chicago City Council is considering an ordinance to ban the sale of products like chocolate cigarillos and strawberry blast e-cigarettes that attract youth more than traditional tobacco flavor. Passing it would be a big step toward racial equity."
Taking away products that people want = Progress toward racial equality. How's that?

"Newport, for instance, has put advertisements, free samples and coupons for menthol-flavored products in Black neighborhoods."
Damn them for marketing a legal product to potential customers. How racist!

"African Americans must take back our health from an industry that has taken so much from us."
Did someone force you to smoke?
Is someone stopping you from quitting? Oh, yeah, that would be governments that pass ordinances that don't distinguish between tobacco and e-liquid and thus take from you the most effective of smoking cessation aids.

"In Chicago, there’s a nine-year life expectancy gap between Black and white residents. Tobacco-related diseases such as lung cancer account for two years of that gap.
So, um, vape to help you stop smoking. Because there's, like, no tobacco in a strawberry blast e-cigarette. Maybe those council members voting on the ordinance could, i dunno, know something about what they're voting on. Nah, that's crazy-talk.

"Efforts to improve Black health are particularly important given the devastating impact of COVID-19. African Americans are dying at higher rates due in part to underlying chronic diseases"
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with so many living in urban areas with highly concentrated populations. Nope, that has no impact on the spread of a virus at all.

"— which, more than anything, are caused by tobacco"
Actually, no. Regardless, are bullets considered a preventable cause of death in Chicago?

"In 2009, Congress banned flavorings in traditional cigarettes but exempted menthol, leading more youth to use it."
Always vague words like "youth" -- you mean young ADULTS who you want treating like children.
And what's that got to do with the e-cigarettes you made a point of including?

"To exempt menthol is to exempt Black health."
So i guess to exempt non-menthol is to exempt White health...? Whatever exempting health is.

*sigh*
Ignorance can be dealt with through education but there's no cure for stupid.

i know -- preaching to the choir. Sometimes ya just gotta let it out, y'know?

 

[Rossum]

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with so many living in urban areas with highly concentrated populations. Nope, that has no impact on the spread of a virus at all.

Don't forget other lifestyle choices. Things like diet, i.e. what foods people eat, what quantities of them they eat, and what effect those choices have on a person's ability to maintain a reasonable BMI. The single strongest correlation to poor outcomes with Covid (other than age) is obesity,

Another strong correlation is vitamin D levels, which are quite difficult for dark-skinned individuals to maintain without supplementation when they live in an urban environment at northern latitudes.

 

[englishmick]

Don't forget other lifestyle choices. Things like diet, i.e. what foods people eat, what quantities of them they eat, and what effect those choices have on a person's ability to maintain a reasonable BMI. The single strongest correlation to poor outcomes with Covid (other than age) is obesity,

Another strong correlation is vitamin D levels, which are quite difficult for dark-skinned individuals to maintain without supplementation when they live in an urban environment at northern latitudes.

Low income people in rural as well as urban areas tend to have more than their share of health problems. Likely something to do with limited access to health care, and poverty. Obesity correlates quite well with the availability of good quality food locally and the resources needed to buy it. Though cultural traditions presumably have a role.

The politicians need to be seen to be doing something. Banning stuff is cheap and easy to do, just sign a piece of paper. It's pure coincidence that the chosen solutions tend to be to ban things which reduce the flow of money to politicians.

 

[stols001]

I am of the opinion, as someone who believes in civil liberties that is really up to the "black lives" as to how they want to "Live" their lives and banning stuff NEVER works it only makes it more DIFFICULT. Gah.

No you can't fix stupid and unless EVERY single quote was given by a black person I cry foul. Most of the ones *I* know and like, studies, show that well, um, black people most fervently hate "Black Lives Matter."

Also, most black neighborhoods are like, in need of better education and that is about it. Well resources too I guess. Same with natives.

Studies have shown food stamps lead to food addiction because you can get high calorie, not good for you food fairly cheaply as compared to drugs and a lot of people do it.

Overall diabetes ad other stuff is rising.

Frankly, they'd be better off focusing on the inner city lead issues if you ask me.

Anna

 

[Katya]

i know -- preaching to the choir. Sometimes ya just gotta let it out, y'know?

Right. And sometimes all you can do is just shake your head.

 

[Katya]

In the meanwhile, New Zealand passes a new vaping law:
Vaping law passes: Advertising banned, flavours restricted and illegal for under 18s

And their Health Department has a vaping site:
Vaping to quit smoking

Information courtesy of our NZ friends @Fredman1 and @AngeNZ

 

[somdcomputerguy]

And their Health Department has a vaping site:
Vaping to quit smoking

I wonder when our (US) Health Department (HHS) is going to put up a similar site..

 

[DaveP]

Those who try to dictate what's good and bad in the vaping market seldom know anything about vaping other than, "It's the same as smoking", which is a terrible lie.

Most of the issue with vaping is that it steals revenue from the tobacco growers and cigarette makers who are intensely entangled with state government taxation. States stand to lose huge revenue if vaping eventually outgrows smoking.

No one seems to care that anti-smoking ads are all over, but switch to vaping adds are few. If the states were interested in reducing deaths from smoking they'd produce ads that favor vaping as an alternative. It's easier to switch to something that safer than to quit cold turkey.

 

[BillW50]

WOW!

Reminder: Joe Biden Said He Will "Halt" or "Eliminate" All Sales of Vaping Products

 

[Katya]

WOW!

Reminder: Joe Biden Said He Will "Halt" or "Eliminate" All Sales of Vaping Products

I wonder if he knows what vaping is. But I'm pretty sure he'll ban it, nevertheless.

 

[Territoo]

I wonder if he knows what vaping is. But I'm pretty sure he'll ban it, nevertheless.

He'll ban it because his controllers will make him ban it.

 

[WorksForMe]

"In a letter to U.S. District Court Judge Paul Grimm, the FDA has requested permission to defer PMTA enforcement against manufacturers of premium cigars—but not vaping products. The deadline to submit Premarket Tobacco Applications for all deemed tobacco products (including cigars and all vapor products) is Sept.9. The letter, dated Aug. 5, was signed by Department of Justice attorneys working on behalf of the FDA."

FDA Plans to Defer PMTA Enforcement for Some Cigars; Not Vapes


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[Territoo]

A few years back I was in a psychiatric hospital for depression on my birthday. Smoking was permitted but vaping was not. Another patient gave me one of his cherry flavored cigars as a birthday present. It was the only present I got that day.

 

[stols001]

Oh that is just LOVELY. Politicians love their cigars. I would like to Monica Lewinsky the lot of them only mostly the dudes and the cigar would have to go SOMEWHERE else also The FDA staff.

Sorry. Bad mood.
Anna

 

[zoiDman]

"In a letter to U.S. District Court Judge Paul Grimm, the FDA has requested permission to defer PMTA enforcement against manufacturers of premium cigars—but not vaping products. The deadline to submit Premarket Tobacco Applications for all deemed tobacco products (including cigars and all vapor products) is Sept.9. The letter, dated Aug. 5, was signed by Department of Justice attorneys working on behalf of the FDA."

FDA Plans to Defer PMTA Enforcement for Some Cigars; Not Vapes


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I am Completely Shock that Premium Cigar OEM's would want Differential Treatment when it comes to Complying with an Tobacco Regulation mandated by Congress.

 

[WorksForMe]

I am Completely Shock that Premium Cigar OEM's would want Differential Treatment when it comes to Complying with an Tobacco Regulation mandated by Congress.

I was shocked that premium cigars were included in the Deeming Regs in the first place.

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[zoiDman]

I was shocked that premium cigars were included in the Deeming Regs in the first place.

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I believe there was/have been a concerted Effort to gain such an Exemption.

But Discretion being the better part of Valor, those effort were suppressed knowing that the Previous 2 FDA Administration wouldn't Exert the same level of "Control" over them as they would Cigarettes.

Or e-Cigarettes.

 

[Nermal]

In the meanwhile, New Zealand passes a new vaping law:
Vaping law passes: Advertising banned, flavours restricted and illegal for under 18s

And their Health Department has a vaping site:
Vaping to quit smoking

Information courtesy of our NZ friends @Fredman1 and @AngeNZ

Whew! It's good to know that the US doesn't have the only government suffering from cognitive dissonance.

 

[Katya]

Whew! It's good to know that the US doesn't have the only government suffering from cognitive dissonance.

Are you being sarcastic? I think NZ laws are very sensible and reasonable. Am I missing something?

 

[Katya]

"In a letter to U.S. District Court Judge Paul Grimm, the FDA has requested permission to defer PMTA enforcement against manufacturers of premium cigars—but not vaping products. The deadline to submit Premarket Tobacco Applications for all deemed tobacco products (including cigars and all vapor products) is Sept.9. The letter, dated Aug. 5, was signed by Department of Justice attorneys working on behalf of the FDA."

FDA Plans to Defer PMTA Enforcement for Some Cigars; Not Vapes


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From your link and today's email from VTA:

"FDA explained its priorities in this way: “The FDA’s top priority for premarket review of deemed products remains products that pose the greatest risk for initiation or use by underage persons, such as flavored, cartridge-based e-cigarettes products targeted to or easily accessible to youth.”

More details about the request and what it means here. "

So maybe there's some hope that other devices (used by adult vapers) are not their primary target. I know. Hope springs eternal. Grasping at straws. Insert your favorite cliche here.