Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[UncLeJunkLe]

Yeah, I know. But one refill with normal-juice of our flavor choice, halves the cost of the $$$$$ cart (and cuts the sales).
And they know that. So they find a rationalization for putting in the puff counter...

I have a little device that resets my ink cartridges' microchip to make the printer think it is 100% full eve if it only has 100 pages left of ink in it.

Maybe someone will come up with a way to do this with the solo?

This guy claims to have a solution to tricking the solo battery into thinking a "spent" cart is not spent. He doesn't call it the Vuse Solo, but that's what it is. Vid is from 2016.



And then there's this, but too involved and technical for most users...

The Crazy Rants of a Security Engineer: Hacking the Vuse E-Cig to Fully Use Cartridges and Allow Refills

Maybe we can get the Acrtic Fox folks to help (not )


As far as I can tell, the Alto does not have this "life-saving" microchip, which will likely be the reason it won't be approved.

 

[englishmick]

PELOSI'S PRESENT: Democrats' spending bill could cripple this $6B industry

Up and down we go. Summer of 2020 we were talking about a $3K tax on a liter of nic, now it's $5K. Last month, just a few pages back in this thread, the word was it had been taken out of the bill because of opposition by the Black Caucus. The Donors must have put their foot down.

Probably doesn't matter much anyway if we can't buy the hardware to vape it in.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Manchin expressed concerns about abolishing the vaping industry last year before Fossil Fuel paid him to block the global warming stuff in the Biden bill? My guess is he didn't since all of them in both parties have been well paid off by BT and BP.

 

[zoiDman]

Anyone know if the Solo (or Alto I guess) has a puff-counter in it, so you can't refill it? I remember a long time ago that we discussed that the carts may have ID #'s or embedded chips so that the devices "knew" how many puffs they had been used for.

Worth Reading again for the Historical Perspective.

BT is NOT Trying to Kill Vaping

Because Many of the Predictions have Now Become the New Reality.

 

[newyork13]

If you do that how will politicians become multi-millionaires on a $177,000 per year as they look out for the little guy?

I, for one, am so grateful to my masters (I meant to say my public servants) that I'm so glad they are able to improve their meagre lives by looking out for me. What more can I ask of them? They've given up so much for me.
I beg them to get themselves a good retirement system better than Social Security, and a good medical insurance plan better than Obamacare, and I know they are so much stronger and healthier than I, that they can ignore any of the "mandates" they so thoughtfully imposed on me.

 

[WorksForMe]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Manchin expressed concerns about abolishing the vaping industry last year before Fossil Fuel paid him to block the global warming stuff in the Biden bill? My guess is he didn't since all of them in both parties have been well paid off by BT and BP.

I don't know what Joe Manchin thinks about the PMTA process, but he doesn't like the new nicotine tax proposal.

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[UncLeJunkLe]

That #WeVapeWeVote stuff always cracks me up for various reasons, the main reason being that it implies you can vote-out tyranny. When tyrants see that kinda of stuff, they laugh & sleep well at night.

 

[Bronze]

That #WeVapeWeVote stuff always cracks me up for various reasons, the main reason being that it implies you can vote-out tyranny. When tyrants see that kinda of stuff, they laugh & sleep well at night.

Not to mention, who do you vote for?

 

[440BB]

Vaping never entered into my thoughts when voting.

At this point, vaping/nicotine in the US has been demonized to the point that most all politicians won't come out in support of it. In the early days I thought that with better education, more would support vaping. The massive misinformation campaign that swayed public opinion effectively erased any opportunity to educate enough people and politicians to make a difference.

At this point, if we had a national vote on banning vaping, it would likely win. Far more people have heard bad things about vaping than good. That's our sad reality.

 

[Bronze]

Vaping never entered into my thoughts when voting.

At this point, vaping/nicotine in the US has been demonized to the point that most all politicians won't come out in support of it. In the early days I thought that with better education, more would support vaping. The massive misinformation campaign that swayed public opinion effectively erased any opportunity to educate enough people and politicians to make a difference.

At this point, if we had a national vote on banning vaping, it would likely win. Far more people have heard bad things about vaping than good. That's our sad reality.

In part, most politicians (and non-smokers) simply do not understand the smoking habit. It's hard for them to understand just how addicting it is. We here can all understand it personally. And for most of us, we could honestly say that we were gonna smoke the rest of our lives and likely die from its use. None of us are ignorant enuf to say vaping is harmless. We all know it has its risks. But we also know (despite the lack of decades monitoring the health of vapers) that it is likely less harmful and likely MUCH less harmful. So the question we ask...do I want a near certain, premature death from cigarettes or do I take my chances with vaping. The answer for us is pretty clear. It's not to the non-smokers. They simply cannot relate. I'm not an alcoholic and it's easy for me to tell an alcoholic to just quit drinking. Problem solved! Easy for me to say. Of course, it doesn't work this way. But all I have to do is relate it to my own cigarette addiction to know just how complicated and difficult it is to break such a habit. Putting your dog on a diet is easier than putting yourself on a diet. You're not the one going through the pain and mental agony.

 

[Z-Lee]

That #WeVapeWeVote stuff always cracks me up for various reasons, the main reason being that it implies you can vote-out tyranny. When tyrants see that kinda of stuff, they laugh & sleep well at night.

It's the carrot on a stick. Give them just enough belief that they can, and they will continue to try given the "opportunity".

 

[Vapeon4Life]

That #WeVapeWeVote stuff always cracks me up for various reasons, the main reason being that it implies you can vote-out tyranny. When tyrants see that kinda of stuff, they laugh & sleep well at night.

I beg to differ - Tyrants never sleep well, never have enough control, and tend to be misanthropic {don't like people} and unhappy. Like that multi billionaire who decided to use his money to wage a war on tobacco and vaping.
Such tyrants are never happy. When given power they go from one agenda to another, not so much to help or save Humanity from some vice, but to satisfy their addiction to power and and control. They are almost inevitably more of a threat to Human life than whatever bad habit they are trying to protect the public from.
Alcohol Prohibition of a hundred years ago, and the on going war on drugs are prime examples where the
'control freaks' and their lackeys generated and continue to generate much more suffering than the sometimes negative effects of what they are trying to protect people from.
At one time during Prohibition, certain elements of the government actually poisoned bootlegged alcohol with methanol to stop people from drinking alcohol and many thousands died from this- This is matter of historical record. Hard to believe isn't it ?!?!
And you still think the 'Evali' lung disease was a coincidence ???

And yes: I VAPE AND I VOTE !!!
- {and even sometimes I don't vote, sometimes that too is a message}

Just keep paying attention - don't let them keep back ending anti-vape {and now nicotine} legislation on to other bills as if no one is paying attention to the 'thieves in the night' that some of them are.

 

[Territoo]

Pelosi's office defends vape tax, says practice not 'essential need for working families'

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Pelosi's office defends vape tax, says practice not 'essential need for working families'

I wonder how many of those 'working families' are comprised of at least one or two cigarette smokers..

 

[Territoo]

I wonder how many of those 'working families' are comprised of at least one or two cigarette smokers..

Probably at least 20%.

 

[WorksForMe]

Pelosi's office defends vape tax, says practice not 'essential need for working families'

In a statement to FOX Business, American Vapor Manufacturers criticized the tax for pushing people towards cigarettes.
"Speaker Pelosi is wrong on the math, wrong on the science, and apparently has not even read the government’s own estimates of the public health disaster this vape tax will cause," said President Amanda Wheeler.

Congrats to Amanda for making Fox Business News. @amandawheeler32


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[Vapeon4Life]

Two points:

1. They want your money and are greedy - If they can make big money off of nicotine and vapiing , it's unlikely that they will try to outlaw it - The prohibitionist will need something else to pick on.

2, Is this tax rate mandatory ???? Or, will they have an option to tas less than this draconian rate ????

 

[WorksForMe]

I wonder how many of those 'working families' are comprised of at least one or two cigarette smokers..

But the tax is only on vaping, not on cigarettes.

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[Rossum]

But the tax is only on vaping, not on cigarettes.

You don't understand. Vaping has been a means for those filthy nicotine addicts to avoid the federal tax tax on cigarettes. This just equalizes things.

 

[440BB]

You don't understand. Vaping has been a means for those filthy nicotine addicts to avoid the federal tax tax on cigarettes. This just equalizes things.

Ironically, cigarette use will not continue to decline as quickly, perhaps even grow, stabilizing, maybe increasing the amount of cigarette tax collected. A win-win.

 

[zoiDman]

Pelosi's office defends vape tax, says practice not 'essential need for working families'

The FDA Doesn't have the Legal Authority to Ban an entire segment of the "Tobacco" Market under the FSPTCA. In fact, the FDA is Expressly Forbidden in doing so.

So for those wanting your Votes by giving the allusion of "Saving Your Children", they fall back on a Time-Honored legislative technique.

"If you Can Ban Something, Tax it Out of Existence."