Regulate probably...........screw vaping up.......guaranteed, goobermint cant do anything without screwing it up.
Do you think the fda will regulate everything?
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Will the FDA regulate everything?
Beginning in 1968, the underlying goal of the federal government has been: If it moves, tax and regulate it. If it is stationary, tax it and regulate it. If it does neither, tax it and regulate it. Your safety and well-being are too important to be entrusted to you. [And the government likes the money but it loves the control.]
Beginning in 1968, the underlying goal of the federal government has been: If it moves, tax and regulate it. If it is stationary, tax it and regulate it. If it does neither, tax it and regulate it. Your safety and well-being are too important to be entrusted to you. [And the government likes the money but it loves the control.]
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So it will take like two years to fully kick in right? I'm about to buy some nic and whatever mods I most recently wanted lol. A lot of backups and maybe another mech. They can't regulate the batteries. Can they even regulate mechs? I thought the FCC handled that. That they even handled the toppers
You got everything right except the date..........started in the 1930s with FDR...........now watch the flames fly
I chose 1968 because Nixon started OSHA, the EPA and instituted the wildly successful wage/price controls. But I would not argue with the FDR date.
You got everything right except the date..........started in the 1930s with FDR...........now watch the flames fly
The same people you buy your mods from now will still have those mods for sale... on the black market.
A couple of websites will probably open up where you can trade/sell items and everything will be paid via Paypal with flashlight in the comments.
If you think a billion dollar industry is ging away because of the FDA you're mistaken, the industry is WAY too big and there is too much money to be made.
A couple of websites will probably open up where you can trade/sell items and everything will be paid via Paypal with flashlight in the comments.
If you think a billion dollar industry is ging away because of the FDA you're mistaken, the industry is WAY too big and there is too much money to be made.
I'm doing the same thing. Not worried about coils since wire and cotton will always be readily available. Batteries will always be available. The only people it would hurt are vendors and people who are afraid to make their own juice. Yep, some people are literally afraid to even attempt it.
Nicotine the overall majority of it in the world comes from 2 places... India and China both are places that will GLADLY label a bottle as something else and sell you fresh extracted Nicotine. Nicotine will not be hard to get that's just the message people are drilling around here. Anything with enough intrest (dollar signs) will become readily available in one way shape or form.
If you think customs opens and inspects every liquid bottle that comes in from overseas you're crazy they'd slow down the operation to a crawl.
If you think customs opens and inspects every liquid bottle that comes in from overseas you're crazy they'd slow down the operation to a crawl.
I am new so be gentle.....
In my very limited experience, I think the fact that the vape community is so tiny, so underfunded and does not have the government's ear and political alignment like big tobacco and the huge multinational companies (that sell smoking cessation products for hundreds of $$$ a month) is why we are in this position.
Due to the fairly unknown long term health benefits/risks of vaping and the inability for state and federal Govt's to collect tax in a similar way as cigarettes, I hate to say that I understand why they are going in this direction. Sucks, but the govt won't ingnore the potential tax on a multibillion dollar industry that is eroding their cigarette tax base.
The small juice makers out there that are mixing PG, VG, flavours and who knows what else in their garages with little or no quality control measures or regulations in place (did I mention no taxation?) will unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your view) be forced to close down or be relegated to the black market. Won't be hard to buy mods and/or juice even unders full ban I would suspect.
I can't see the government banning vaping/juice production legally forever, but that 30ml of juice from the big established manufacturers will likely cost a lot more.
Crazy times in any case.
Luckily I live in Canada and even though our govt will likely do whatever the FDA/US govt does a short time after the fact, we will at least have a little time to stock up.
In my very limited experience, I think the fact that the vape community is so tiny, so underfunded and does not have the government's ear and political alignment like big tobacco and the huge multinational companies (that sell smoking cessation products for hundreds of $$$ a month) is why we are in this position.
Due to the fairly unknown long term health benefits/risks of vaping and the inability for state and federal Govt's to collect tax in a similar way as cigarettes, I hate to say that I understand why they are going in this direction. Sucks, but the govt won't ingnore the potential tax on a multibillion dollar industry that is eroding their cigarette tax base.
The small juice makers out there that are mixing PG, VG, flavours and who knows what else in their garages with little or no quality control measures or regulations in place (did I mention no taxation?) will unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your view) be forced to close down or be relegated to the black market. Won't be hard to buy mods and/or juice even unders full ban I would suspect.
I can't see the government banning vaping/juice production legally forever, but that 30ml of juice from the big established manufacturers will likely cost a lot more.
Crazy times in any case.
Luckily I live in Canada and even though our govt will likely do whatever the FDA/US govt does a short time after the fact, we will at least have a little time to stock up.
They are, but the FDA doesn't regulate tobacco delivery devices... yet. Just the tobacco itself. When they regulate vape gear it will be the 1st time they have done so. It's another part of why folks see this coming clusteras an attack meant to kill vaping while supporting BT.
That's because they were Grandfathered. (existed before Feb 15, 2007) Sweedish Snoose on the other hand had to go through the approval process.
For one thing I believe much of what the fda will do will be regulations concerning advertising, labelling, and sales mechanisms.
It is called paternalism. It is when so clever people of the top (government) are taking care of so dumb population of their country. Feed them, guide them (especially on election day), whip them as needed.
It started in America as a method to care for minorities and it was so attractive to so clever people who governed, that they decided to apply it to the whole country. It is still in development, but quite successful development. We can see some results.
Democracy now.
It started in America as a method to care for minorities and it was so attractive to so clever people who governed, that they decided to apply it to the whole country. It is still in development, but quite successful development. We can see some results.
Democracy now.
That raises an issue that needs to be addressed;
Just because the fda does not 'approve' a product does not mean the product can't be sold legitimately;
that is a separate issue of whether or not approval is required.
I mean look at the 'authentics' and 'clone' old debate:
A person might buy a clone for $10, but if they really like it, they may be happy to buy the fda approved authentic for $100
perhaps more to the heart of the matter is component systems; generic stuff like mechs.
So if ZigZag comes out with a new type of cigarette paper, do you think the FDA is going to make them jump through the hoops? What about folks that make custom, handcrafted wooden tobacco pipes? Every time them make a custom pipe to fill an order, will they have to spend a million to get it approved?
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