Do you think the fda will regulate everything?

[papergoblin]

I'm in the opinion that they will just regulate juice since that's where the nicotine is. And they won't regulate the mods. Or is that like atf regulating the sale of bullets but not guns? By the same token. Certain shops can sell equipment for smoking a substance I won't mention on here. However that seems to be hardly regulated and certainly isn't banned.

They will regulate and/or tax anything they can. The ATF does regulate bullets, look up Black Talon, mercury ammo, there is a limit to how a bullet can be manufactured. Pistols cannot fire amour penetrating bullets, they had a time when 5.56 ammo was hard to get due to this but then started sales again. The shops you talk of market it as a tobacco device but when the police pull you over it's called paraphernalia and you can get a fine for it, lol. People make laws people find ways around them, it's been that way for a long time. Have you ever went in a gas station and seen the little roses in glass tubes? Right next to them they usually have "tobacco" screens, ever wondered why or who buys mini roses in glass tubes?

 

[skoony]

The small juice makers out there that are mixing PG, VG, flavours and who knows what else in their garages with little or no quality control measures or regulations in place (did I mention no taxation?) will unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your view) be forced to close down or be relegated to the black market. Won't be hard to buy mods and/or juice even unders full ban I would suspect.

The making of e-juice is as safe and easy to make as Kool-Aid in any clean work area.
Whether you make it in some hoity toity level lab or your garage. As of yet I have not
heard one single report of any pathogen being spread in e-juice. Nor have there been
any reported cases of poisoning I can recall. There may be some concerns about some
chemicals one would expect to be in e-juice but, to say we do not know whats in it as
a blanket statement is fear mongering.

Regards
Mike

 

[Hans Wermhat]

There may be some concerns about some
chemicals one would expect to be in e-juice

I've only heard one story. Some jackwagon making juice in the back of his shop here figured out that ant poison is basically powdered nicotine. He put it in a few batches and used his customers as guinea pigs. A couple of folks got sick and the health department shut him down. Thankfully, it was all pretty quiet.

 

[Rossum]

I've only heard one story. Some jackwagon making juice in the back of his shop here figured out that ant poison is basically powdered nicotine. He put it in a few batches and used his customers as guinea pigs. A couple of folks got sick and the health department shut him down. Thankfully, it was all pretty quiet.

You'll see a heck of a lot more of that sort of thing when the goobermint makes it difficult to impossible (or even just outrageously expensive) for people to do it "right".

 

[BreSha6869]

The making of e-juice is as safe and easy to make as Kool-Aid in any clean work area.
Whether you make it in some hoity toity level lab or your garage. As of yet I have not
heard one single report of any pathogen being spread in e-juice. Nor have there been
any reported cases of poisoning I can recall. There may be some concerns about some
chemicals one would expect to be in e-juice but, to say we do not know whats in it as
a blanket statement is fear mongering.

Regards
Mike

Totally agree. I would expect any govt to look at small/non-regulated juice makers in the same light as moonshiners though.

 

[93gc40]

The government regulates the air you breathe, the food you eat, and just about everything else involved with life...... The tobacco industry is a MAJOR source of political funding.

YES, they will regulate EVERYTHING.

 

[CMD-Ky]

"A Republic. If you can keep it."

Ben was right and it appears that, after 228 years, we cannot.

 

[Rule62]

The same people you buy your mods from now will still have those mods for sale... on the black market.

A couple of websites will probably open up where you can trade/sell items and everything will be paid via Paypal with flashlight in the comments.
If you think a billion dollar industry is ging away because of the FDA you're mistaken, the industry is WAY too big and there is too much money to be made.

It won't be PayPal. PayPal has already shut down some vendors, as means of payment. They have already had to seek out other means for receiving payment. Reosmods, for one, was dropped by PayPal earlier this year. Also, many credit card processors will not do business with e-cig companies. eBay also has been dropping sellers, sort of on a random basis, when they catch them.

 

[skoony]

I've only heard one story. Some jackwagon making juice in the back of his shop here figured out that ant poison is basically powdered nicotine. He put it in a few batches and used his customers as guinea pigs. A couple of folks got sick and the health department shut him down. Thankfully, it was all pretty quiet.

Thanks for sharing this. It proves a point I have been trying to make. The system is working just
fine with out any FDA regulations. They got shut down.
Regards
Mike

 

[CMD-Ky]

It won't be PayPal. PayPal has already shut down some vendors, as means of payment. They have already had to seek out other means for receiving payment. Reosmods, for one, was dropped by PayPal earlier this year. Also, many credit card processors will not do business with e-cig companies. eBay also has been dropping sellers, sort of on a random basis, when they catch them.

PayPal, eBay and credit card companies are simply morally superior to people such as my morally bankrupt self. I admire them so.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

with out any FDA regulations

And without ANTZ. And without any big fearmongering propaganda from the media.

 

[crxess]

I've only heard one story. Some jackwagon making juice in the back of his shop here figured out that ant poison is basically powdered nicotine. He put it in a few batches and used his customers as guinea pigs. A couple of folks got sick and the health department shut him down. Thankfully, it was all pretty quiet.

Sounds like an Urban Legend ready to roll out

 

[twgbonehead]

Actually, the FDA will wind up regulating very little, since there will be almost nothing left available for them to regulate.

 

[tj99959]

So if ZigZag comes out with a new type of cigarette paper, do you think the FDA is going to make them jump through the hoops? What about folks that make custom, handcrafted wooden tobacco pipes? Every time them make a custom pipe to fill an order, will they have to spend a million to get it approved?

Yes, it's called the like/equivalent process. It's much cheaper/faster than the new product process.

 

[440BB]

Actually, the FDA will wind up regulating very little, since there will be almost nothing left available for them to regulate.

I expect that is unfortunately true.

 

[tj99959]

Actually, the FDA will wind up regulating very little, since there will be almost nothing left available for them to regulate.

You can't believe how much I hated putting a "like" on that post!

 

[JMarca]

It won't be PayPal. PayPal has already shut down some vendors, as means of payment. They have already had to seek out other means for receiving payment. Reosmods, for one, was dropped by PayPal earlier this year. Also, many credit card processors will not do business with e-cig companies. eBay also has been dropping sellers, sort of on a random basis, when they catch them.

Did you read the part where I said they'll just use flashlights in the comment?
These very forums use this method in the co-op section today no reason to tell Paypal what it really is, we've been doing it for a few years now.

 

[cllmda]

It all comes down to what they WANT to "hit hard" with their regulations and unfortunately they're clearly at war with all vaping products not produced by their buddies at BT...

Yeah, there could be "loopholes" with labelling etc. but I dont think theyre willing to let much slip by...

To be safe, id stock up as best i could within reason & available $$$

I live in Europe so Ive been stocking up for aw hile but, to be honest, if I still lived in the US I would be stocking up too....you guys just have a little bit more time left to do so (our "deadline" will be in six months max)

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Yes, it's called the like/equivalent process. It's much cheaper/faster than the new product process.

So if Sig or Provari or P4U came out with a new mod with the same chip, it could be considered "equivalent"? Provided the grandfather date can be bumped forward out of the jurrasic period of vaping?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

So if Sig or Provari or P4U came out with a new mod with the same chip, it could be considered "equivalent"? Provided the grandfather date can be bumped forward out of the jurrasic period of vaping?

No because there were no "chips" such as that before 2007. So that would be considered a new product and need to go through the astronomically high application process.