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The 'holier than thou' city next door to mine banned 'rolling papers' back in the 70's to protect their kids LOL. Their kids would come into my town(bad move)to buy them. When they came into my town they were introduced to much worse then rolling papers. That is how ridiculous many people think. BTW,a lot of pipes started showing up in their kids bedrooms. The blind leading the blind.
As I see it here the holier than thou is a minority. Not the majority. Now what this old cowboy wants to know ? Why are you kicking a fresh turd on a hot summer's day?
I agree that "your rights end where mine being" but not all people think that way, and are forever intruding on my space and rights. You have government telling you what you can do on your own property, and why is that.. because you have NIMBY's pushing for more regulation because they dont like what others are doing. People want everyone to be the same, same as them.
This is why I live out in the middle of nowhere and I dont have to worry about if my dog barks or if I have something in my yard that someone doesnt like or if I want an American flag on a 10 foot pole I can. I lived the whole community living and that is not for me. Not my idea of a good life. We have become a nation of NIMBY's, we feel people cant take care of themselves, and need help being taking care of and told what to do.
PV are an extention of all that, the non-smokers feel they know whats better for us, and they are going to make sure we do what they say. Out of fear, ignorance, and just plain stupidity they cant see past their bent out of shape noses about the PV. And in most cases they dont want to know anything about it, to them we are just nasty smelling smokers regardless what we are doing. We have lost all our personal rights and space having to do with all this.
So when I go to a place where there is people, and its outside and im away from people I will vape.I do respect the personal space and rights of others. Ive had a few vapes in walmart when nobody was around because I was in there for hours, and as far as I know they have no restrictions against vaping. Im never in anyones face about it tho.
To paraphrase a few of these responses, "MY body, MY property, MY right to decide." Yeah, I'll admit to some nanny state paranoia... but it's only paranoia until it turns out someone really is out to get you. The real battle here is to demonstrate the benefits of our lifestyle, and the fact that we vape as the result of informed decision-making.
Its not paranoia. paranoia is when you think people are out to get you.
Dont you think that if I want to fly a flag on my front yard I should be able to, I payed for the property, I pay my taxes, but the HOA says I cant. Isnt that an infrigment of my rights to beable to fly a flag? ( yea I know you sign papers for the HOA, but is it really thing that needs to be?) Its not paranoia when people intrude on my space because they dont like something. Its a Nanny state. People will always think they know what is best for others, trying to fit everyone into a nice little box and have them all be the same.
Just like the Lung association saying "stop or die" they are telling what to do and how to do it. Who are they to do so? Talk about an almighty attitude. I really dont need anyone in my life to tell me what to do, I was brought up to know right from wrong and have a moral compass.
I guess there are those that need to have constant guidance in life, to be told what to do and how to conduct life, but there are many of us out there that dont and resent it. We resent to be told we cant have a flag on our own front yard, or where we can plant a tree, or to be told we can build a play house in the back yard or have a cross on the yard. There is so many things ive just referenced that was in the news over the last year that people have had happen to them.
In society there are the controllers and the controlled. I am neather. That is why I live out in the middle of no where in a state that doesnt spend all its time and money trying to control all the people that live here as long as they are not hurting anyone.
I was told not to vape in a mmj dispensary, I was a little irritated. i guees i will wait 5 mins to to vape not a huge deal.
I had to google what that was lol. You would think they would be cool with it there.
I don't think I'm "Entitled" to vape where I choose.
I just couldn't care less what strangers might think or say.
Obviously, the public can read my body language ...
because not once in 4 years has anyone even suggested
I shouldn't be vaping.
To be honest I'd rather vape more publicly to make the public more conscious about e-cigs. If people were more aware of e-cigs then there's the chance that they would educate themselves on what this thing is and find that it's a ton more safer for everybody than analogs. I don't want to treat my e-cig as a regular analog because they are miles apart like comparing a gas car to an electric car.....though both types cars can kill if you run over someone with them. 
To be honest I'd rather vape more publicly to make the public more conscious about e-cigs. If people were more aware of e-cigs then there's the chance that they would educate themselves on what this thing is and find that it's a ton more safer for everybody than analogs. I don't want to treat my e-cig as a regular analog because they are miles apart like comparing a gas car to an electric car.....though both types cars can kill if you run over someone with them.
The only people who are going to be interested enough to research are smokers, there is a reason I still vape with the smokers and follow smoking laws. If you force an ideal on someone they will always resist, when their smoking buddy quits using an ecig they will be believers.
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We have a smoking ban in the UK, and I choose to only vape where it is permissible to smoke i.e outside. Courtesy and convenience both factor in. I find it more convenient not to be dealing with the funny looks, rudeness or even innocent questions that tend to come when I use my vape inside.
Uh uh, but the difference is that THEY choose to drink those cokes and eat that candy. That is different than them getting those same ill effects from someone else's actions.
I agree with the OP. If we get belligerent in someone else's place of business, then we aren't helping ourselves at all. Be respectful, explain what e-cigs are and make them feel comfortable that you won't be impacting anyone else in a negative sense.
Anything else is just shooting ourselves in the foot.
My personal "Rule of thumb"
E-smoking is permitted UNLESS its "Posted" that e-smoking is not allowed
OR a business manager informs me that e-smoking is not permitted.
I don't ask ... "Mommie may I"
E-smoking is permitted UNLESS its "Posted" that e-smoking is not allowed
OR a business manager informs me that e-smoking is not permitted.
I don't ask ... "Mommie may I"
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In my experience, the "asking in advance" strategy has yielded more accepting results. Even in the absence of "no e-smoking" signs, a business manager or whatever is more likely to appreciate the courtesy of having asked before and saying it's fine than if he/she were caught off guard. After asking you to stop producing smoke-like clouds, it is unlikely they will retract the request even after you explain what it actually is.
And you can be sure if it were my mommy I'd be way more careful to ask before I do. Her palm does not ask my face in advance if it's ok to say hello. Momma don't ask, momma just do. Courtesy
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