Ecigs have been banned?

[Leatherneck]

Or if they were to confirm liquids leeching plastics and made glass bottle the standard.

My concern is that the government goes WAYYY overboard, especially when you don't follow their agenda. I do not believe that to be accidental. To elaborate on your example, they'll start off with just glass. Then it has to be a special type of glass. Then it has to be molded in a certain format. Oh, and it has to have this labelling on it. And it has to have this kind of seal.

And before too long, what started out as a reasonable thing has mushroomed into the realm of stupidity and over-regulation, and we end up suffering for it at the hands of unelected buffoons.

 

[tartanraven]

I always chuckle when I get a juice that carries a "glass only, this will devour your plastic clearo!!!!!"...but it arrives in a plastic bottle.

 

[DC2]

I'm really not OK with a bunch of taxing or licensing, but I'm not naive enough to think it won't happen. I would like to believe the more noise we make MAY just keep the FDA from running rough shod over us completely.

What he said...

And to the original poster, do you consider a limitation of 4mg strength to be an issue?
Do you consider the elimination of flavors to be an issue?

These are two things that could render electronic cigarettes nothing more than a novelty.
And for those that have followed the FDA's position towards electronic cigarettes for years now, they seem fairly likely.

 

[Wondertwin]

My concern is that the government goes WAYYY overboard, especially when you don't follow their agenda. I do not believe that to be accidental. To elaborate on your example, they'll start off with just glass. Then it has to be a special type of glass. Then it has to be molded in a certain format. Oh, and it has to have this labelling on it. And it has to have this kind of seal.

And before too long, what started out as a reasonable thing has mushroomed into the realm of stupidity and over-regulation, and we end up suffering for it at the hands of unelected buffoons.

Yup, I agree. I had to think long and hard about FDA regulation compromise to even get what I got for those reasons! If there was proof of current methods being harmful, and no self regulation, the FDA would have cheerleaders for cleaning up a mess. As it exists currently though, nothing to see here, move along...oh but wait, there's money in it. Regulate away please

 

[Jman8]

I am not trying to call anybody stupid and I am not trying to be anybody's white knight. I am sorry if it comes across that way. It's just in the month or so I have been on ECF I have come to expect more. I thought your original post was a good post. However this thread as a whole saddened and angered me. I did somehow miss the long and eloquent post on page 9. I couldn't get past page 6 or 7 without the urge to post my thoughts. I did go back through and read after that and still missed it. One post still didn't change the first several pages of bashing the OP.

It's okay worthatry. From everything I had heard about ECF, I felt it better than 50/50 that my OP message would garner some bashing and calling me out. (I bet he's not even a vaper. LOL) Of all the forums I've been on, all the heated online discussions I've seen or participated in, this is very tame and more on the humorous side of things than the emotionally gut wrenching disparaging remarks - side of things.

I've got over 2000 posts on another vaping forum and asking similar question(s) to the one in OP. De facto banning and the implications that come from that addresses what I was certainly getting at in the original message. But as I see things, they got the guns, but we got the numbers and we're taking over. Or something like that. My optimism for the future of vaping does include a bump or two in the road. Some of those bumps may be perceived as huge or akin to the size of a good old fashioned sink hole. With all that said, I think we're going to be fine.

 

[Hulamoon]

IMO it should be as simple as this. The FDA ain't gonna ban cigarettes, which contain nicotine, MOAI's, arsenic etc ad nauseum. They will not ban PG which is used in asthma inhalers among many other things and VG which is universal. So why do they feel they need to get involved in banning or regulating e-cig equipment and juice? The answer is BT and BP. Nothing else.

 

[tA71ana]

If the Chinese are indeed making the Blu batts (I'm sure that they are, it all comes from there), they may not want to upset the Chinese over the larger form factor mods, etc.or they may not get their cig-sized batts either.
Not good to upset the applecart...Blu (and potentially other BT cos.) have sunk a lot of money into ecigs

 

[Wondertwin]

I forgot to add, I'd be okay with only American made products as well. If they want to limit us in that fashion, my vendor list is safe!

 

[Jman8]

And to the original poster, do you consider a limitation of 4mg strength to be an issue?
Do you consider the elimination of flavors to be an issue?

These are two things that could render electronic cigarettes nothing more than a novelty.
And for those that have followed the FDA's position towards electronic cigarettes for years now, they seem fairly likely.

I think limiting eliquids to anything under 24mg, is an issue to contest.
As stated before, I think the flavors thing is significant issue. I welcome the debate from the other side on that particular point. While the thrust of that point stems from a consideration that I think is well intended, it so far shows up to me as something along lines of asinine.

 

[Leatherneck]

I forgot to add, I'd be okay with only American made products as well. If they want to limit us in that fashion, my vendor list is safe!

I'd come out of such an embargo pretty ok. When I posted on Facebook that I was quitting and how, it turns out a friend's spouse makes mods. The companies I buy from are US. I'm not too sure about the companies they buy from however.

 

[SunnyDays]

This is the worst thing the fda can do to tax payers i am so ...... they can be bullied by lobbyist to get them to propose such bu77sht to congress>>> help us not hurt us >> post your comments now!!

 

[tA71ana]

I forgot to add, I'd be okay with only American made products as well. If they want to limit us in that fashion, my vendor list is safe!

On the one hand I can see your point.
On the other hand, much is made about the concept of 'Free Enterprise' in the US..that includes buying something made out of country if one chooses. If I can buy a pair of Chanel shoes that were made in France then I should also be able to but an ecig from overseas if I want to as well

 

[tartanraven]

my American made Precise+, my American made bliSS's, my American made juices will be just fine as well

 

[tartanraven]

Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-834o-a7hd THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING THE FDA CAN DO TO TAX PAYERS I AM SO ...... THEY CAN BE BULLIED BY LOBBYIST TO GET THEM O PROPOSE SUCH BULLSHT TO CONGRESS>>> HELP US NOT HURT US >> POT YOUR COMMENTS NOW!!

Rage caps!! GRRRR..FEEL THE FURY!
When your seethe is over...might want to read the rules regarding profanity and implied profanity.

 

[tA71ana]

Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-834o-a7hd THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING THE FDA CAN DO TO TAX PAYERS I AM SO ...... THEY CAN BE BULLIED BY LOBBYIST TO GET THEM O PROPOSE SUCH BULLSHT TO CONGRESS>>> HELP US NOT HURT US >> POT YOUR COMMENTS NOW!!

Oh my...you might want to watch your language, lol
This isn't Yahoo

 

[DC2]

I think limiting eliquids to anything under 24mg, is an issue to contest.
As stated before, I think the flavors thing is significant issue.

Contest after the fact?

 

[Wondertwin]

On the one hand I can see your point.
On the other hand, much is made about the concept of 'Free Enterprise' in the US..that includes buying something made out of country if one chooses. If I can buy a pair of Chanel shoes that were made in France then I should also be able to but an ecig from overseas if I want to as well

For sure, I agree. I'm listing stuff I could live with in the spirit of regulation compromise. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Speaking of Chanel though, those .......s took the original nail polish "Vamp" and renamed it "Rouge Noir" then made it only available in Europe. I feel no pity for them! That felt good

I'd come out of such an embargo pretty ok. When I posted on Facebook that I was quitting and how, it turns out a friend's spouse makes mods. The companies I buy from are US. I'm not too sure about the companies they buy from however.

Fair point, but I bet we'd get a work around quick!

 

[2coils]

FDA goal (IMO) is to get society / individuals away from the addiction, and perhaps even moderate use, of nicotine; and therefore the 'harmful / deadly product of tobacco consumption.'

If this were the case why are cigaretts so readily accessable??? This agenda against e-cigs is nothing but political. The FDA and govt need to keep certain people wealthy.

 

[Sunshinefl8788]

IMO it should be as simple as this. The FDA ain't gonna ban cigarettes, which contain nicotine, MOAI's, arsenic etc ad nauseum. They will not ban PG which is used in asthma inhalers among many other things and VG which is universal. So why do they feel they need to get involved in banning or regulating e-cig equipment and juice? The answer is BT and BP. Nothing else.

I am right with you! I don't understand the whole "regulate" thing...they allow cigarettes KNOWING they are FULL of cancer causing agents...all the while pretending to be the white knights that will save us from e liquids! I could handle the glass bottles being a must, but even then I don't get it! WHY worry about protecting us from plastic leeching, while smokers are consuming thousands of chemicals? We all know it won't stop at glass bottles and minor changes, it will go on to regulate e-cigs/liquids to death!!

 

[2coils]

And lets not forget we have states saying its ok to smoke pot. Our President has said... the people of these states have spoken.....suggesting to me that its not really a huge deal. Lets get real.... nobody is worried about the children in these particular states? Yet God for bid we have vapers!!! Peoples priorities are shot. Affirming its all about the money!!