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FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies
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also.... James Dunworth has a blog out of England, the UK, with this very interesting history of e-cigarettes, I think it's worth a read. It gives continuity to what is going on now, and how it evolved. http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2013/03/electronic-cigarette-timeline.html
Hope you find that helpful too.
Hope you find that helpful too.
We do not know what the proposed FDA regulations are going to look like yet.
That is what we will find out in April.
tobacco is the only reasonable source for nicotine at this time.
It is debatable whether or not it could ever be economically feasible to get it from any other source in the future.
The specific regulations the FDA wants for e-cigarettes haven't been announced yet. That is what is happening in April.
At this point, we can only look at the regulations already being applied to or proposed for other tobacco products and hope they don't just stick e-cigarettes with the exact same regulations, because that could cause a lot of problems for vendors and consumers.
I have read about the alarming legislation being proposed in Utah, Connecticut and other US States. I've read the actual legislation through links that are provided.
I wish I could find such detailed information about the US FDA proposed regulations. I've read far more posts about those regulations but seen far less researchable info. The link Robin provided gave me the only help I've found so far but it contains no details other than a confirmation by the FDA that they seek to extend their control to all tobacco products. Who does the FDA go to to be granted such control? Anybody know how the chain of authority works in that situation?
I wish I could find such detailed information about the US FDA proposed regulations. I've read far more posts about those regulations but seen far less researchable info. The link Robin provided gave me the only help I've found so far but it contains no details other than a confirmation by the FDA that they seek to extend their control to all tobacco products. Who does the FDA go to to be granted such control? Anybody know how the chain of authority works in that situation?
Just sort of a side note: The proposed legislation in Connecticut uses the words "electronic nicotine delivery devices", leaving open (in my opinion) the use of a vaporizer without nicotine in the liquid. Now: I'm sure that's not the INTENT of the language used, but it is what the language actually says. I read a post a while back from somebody who was vaping at a bar when told he had to stop because the bar owner was banning all nicotine. Again, that would seem to allow a non-nic vape, but I wouldn't want to be trying to explain that my juice had no nicotine as I continued to vape if I was a no-nic vaper.
The FDA was given the authority to regulate cigarettes and other tobacco products through the passage of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
OK, and thanks! At this point I'm guessing that nicotine juice is not considered a tobacco product, because otherwise the FDA would not be proposing legislation to have it defined as such?
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That is correct, it is not at this time legally considered by the FDA to be a tobacco product.
I know, I've been working on a CASAA summary blog post for people to use as a link. It should be done later today.
But again, that IS the extent of the details. All we know at this time is that the FDA intends to regulate e-cigarettes using the powers given to it under FSPTCA and they plan to release the details of those regulations to the public in April 2013. After that, the public will have the opportunity to submit comments to the FDA on what they think of its proposed regulations.
The reason you can find more info about the state legislation is because they have actually released written, proposed legislation that we can read and link to.
To the best of my ability to figure this complicated scenario out:
Before the FDA issues any proposed regulations regarding ecigs, they will first propose that they be empowered to regulate ecigs. It appears that the FDA's current regulatory power does not include electronic cigarettes.
Now maybe the FDA will make the two requests simultaneously, ie, they will request the regulatory authority over ecigs at the same time that they propose the regulations they would put in place if permitted to do so.
But hopefully, this will have to take place in two separate steps.
Does anyone know the source for information concerning the naming of April as the month that any of these FDA actions/requests will occur?
Before the FDA issues any proposed regulations regarding ecigs, they will first propose that they be empowered to regulate ecigs. It appears that the FDA's current regulatory power does not include electronic cigarettes.
Now maybe the FDA will make the two requests simultaneously, ie, they will request the regulatory authority over ecigs at the same time that they propose the regulations they would put in place if permitted to do so.
But hopefully, this will have to take place in two separate steps.
Does anyone know the source for information concerning the naming of April as the month that any of these FDA actions/requests will occur?
No, it does not, but the FSPTCA has given them the power and authority to do so and all they have to do is say they do.
That is what the deeming regulations will entail... them saying they now do, and them saying how they will.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2013-e-cigarettes-other-tobacco-products.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-cigs-other-unregulated-tobacco-products.html
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Thee is no legislative proposal. The FDA has the power to regulate and enforce their regulations. They have said they will do this before and failed to do anything, current mention is April 2013.
Nicotine occurs in nightshades but not in amount large enough for practical purposes. Tobacco is the best source.
Is there anybody that can tell me how this is gonna affect the Canadian market on them or is that in the Canada forum I am so confused about this anymore I think that if the same happens in Canada I would end up going back to reg cigs
What the US does a lot of other countries follow or point to as justification for doing the same thing. That is about all the FDA regulations will do to affect Canada (which is also fond of quoting the deceptive FDA statement of 2009)
Yes, but let's consider a sad but true fact. Money talks and walks. In Europe the BIG PHARMA lobbyists work 24/7 to buy governmental favor.... what happens in Europe, can happen here next. Don't kid yourselves, it's the money, it's the money, it's the money!!! The biggest enemy invested 40 yrs. ago, that the boomers would get old and suffer from a myriad of diseases, and mostly and most lucratively smoking related ones. They won't give up! There is too much money at stake. So we fight each fight in our so called Democracy one at a time and we hope it catches on and soon the tiger gets tired of chasing it's own tail.
We must identify promoters of individual liberty and help get them elected or reelected.
The REAL fight is far above this one at a government level. The fight for vaping is so far down the food chain of liberty it's not even funny. Please realize that Ron Paul spent 23 years in the system and he's accomplished little to nothing working against the bought and paid for establishment.
The FDA will write, enforce and do what ever they please on this issue. I'm sorry but NOTHING you say or do from this point will matter. BEFORE it was even brought up public the decision was made in a dark smoky room how to handle this loss of billions of dollars in 'smoking revenues'.
Promote individual liberty, find local sources of products which cannot be interfered with and realize that the O we love big government wasn't such a great vote. When you voted for gov to take over health care then you gave them the a case to control what you intake to control the cost to others.
So just decide, do you want to be taken care of cradle to grave or are willing to live free and responsible for your actions?
While your decision will not affect the immediate actions of the FDA, they may affect things in the future of our grand experiment called freedom.
MM
This is what your fighting (35 to 40 million a day) Which means they would easily allocate 3 to 4 million a day to fight vaping!
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/tobacco_industry/marketing/index.htm
The REAL fight is far above this one at a government level. The fight for vaping is so far down the food chain of liberty it's not even funny. Please realize that Ron Paul spent 23 years in the system and he's accomplished little to nothing working against the bought and paid for establishment.
The FDA will write, enforce and do what ever they please on this issue. I'm sorry but NOTHING you say or do from this point will matter. BEFORE it was even brought up public the decision was made in a dark smoky room how to handle this loss of billions of dollars in 'smoking revenues'.
Promote individual liberty, find local sources of products which cannot be interfered with and realize that the O we love big government wasn't such a great vote. When you voted for gov to take over health care then you gave them the a case to control what you intake to control the cost to others.
So just decide, do you want to be taken care of cradle to grave or are willing to live free and responsible for your actions?
While your decision will not affect the immediate actions of the FDA, they may affect things in the future of our grand experiment called freedom.
MM
This is what your fighting (35 to 40 million a day) Which means they would easily allocate 3 to 4 million a day to fight vaping!
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/tobacco_industry/marketing/index.htm
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