FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[Lisa Belle]

It doesn't hurt to prepare for disaster, but let's pre-empt it too!

 

[Petrodus]

This thread was posted on Dec 1 2011
We've been preparing for disaster long before I joined the ECF.

Last I heard ... Mommie FDA was going to make public its demon regulations this month.
Only a few days left in this month and I suggest they won't do it in the next 2 days.

 

[Libertas]

The self-imposed deadline by the FDA was "by October 31". That being said they had an April 2013 self-imposed deadline before that. As far as the law goes there is zero penalty for them missing a "self-imposed deadline".

The hammer hasn't fallen. But that doesn't mean it won't.

 

[Lisa Belle]

An FDA notice with Docket No. FDA-2013-N-0001, filed on October 28th for publication in the Federal Register on October 29th, requests nominations for voting members to serve on the CTP tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee. (Food and Drug Administration 10/28)

There is an unnerving post on We Are Casaa about the tobacco Products Scientific Board slated for October 28, 2013. Not sure what that entails. Or what tomorrow will bring.

 

[mmsjs5]

This is something I got in my email today. I wasn't sure where to put it, so I guess I'll put it here.

'FDA: No Surprises Planned for E-Cigarette Regs' FDA: No Surprises Planned for E-Cigarette Regs

 

[Petrodus]

An FDA notice with Docket No. FDA-2013-N-0001, filed on October 28th for publication in the Federal Register on October 29th, requests nominations for voting members to serve on the CTP Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee. (Food and Drug Administration 10/28)

You can bet your bottom dollar ...
There won't bet even 1 esmoker or even 1 knowledgeable person
familiar with e-cigarettes ... on this advisory committee !!

 

[Lisa Belle]

Dr. Carl Phillips would be good there. Not sure if he wants it. It'll be more like a witch hunt more than likely.

 

[Petrodus]

Yeah, I just noticed. The thread is really old!

Gloom and Doom clouds on the horizon have been topics
of countless discussions ... starting long before I joined in Oct 2010.

 

[Lisa Belle]

It is unlikely that such approaches will be successful. I do not know why. That leaves only one alternative, which is civil disobedience. In this case, regarding tobacco control, the only way to be civilly disobedient is take every opportunity open to you to fight against your oppressors. If that means buying from white-van-man, so be it. It is the only way.

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And so we arrive at the solution:

1. Contest the ‘science’ of bullies like Crown and O’Meara.

2. Be in no doubt that you have every right to contest the demands of the Bullies by civil disobedience – which comes down to being as self-sufficient as possible by whatever means are possible.

I have digressed somewhat, but I am happy with the general tenor of my post.Is it Possible for Tobacco Lovers (and Vapers) to be Proactive? | Bolton Smokers Club

WHAT ME WORRY!

 

[Agorizer]

This is something I got in my email today. I wasn't sure where to put it, so I guess I'll put it here.

'FDA: No Surprises Planned for E-Cigarette Regs' FDA: No Surprises Planned for E-Cigarette Regs

No, I will not be surprised when the incestuous relationship between the "true believers" (ANTZ) the "welfare/warfare state" Authoritarian types, and the fascistic corporatism we live with (Yes! it's a Three-Way!!) produce more tax, more regulation, less individual liberty, and ultimately, more death.

 

[Lisa Belle]

I realize there is much effort by ANTIS but we too can exert our influence we must or parish! Is it Possible for Tobacco Lovers (and Vapers) to be Proactive? | Bolton Smokers Club

 

[Lisa Belle]

Here is something else that anyone can do. Next week SFATA goes to Washington DC. Let your Elected know where you stand. VaporTruth there are easy to follow links to write your Reps. I did. That's not all Civil Disobedience is next if necessary!

 

[patkin]

Trying... but what a joke. I have modified the form letter to 1,070 characters... really compressed it and my Senator accepts 500 on his site.

 

[Lisa Belle]

I think you can do it ... meanwhile... to DEBUNK the loudest BS of all. nicotine-clinical-trials-why-aren-t-there-any

 

[pamdis]

I think you can do it ... meanwhile... to DEBUNK the loudest BS of all. nicotine-clinical-trials-why-aren-t-there-any

Love the update at the end:

one clinical trial of nicotine in non-smokers performed for another purpose: to measure cognitive function improvement. The trial report indicates that most subjects were never-smokers. .....Despite subjects being administered 15mg of pure nicotine daily for 6 months, not one single subject had any withdrawal symptoms or continued to use nicotine.

In conjunction with this study, I am starting to believe that nicotine is not the addictive substance in tobacco, but merely has taken the blame for all these years:
http://www.scienceworldreport.com/a...e-sole-addiction-causing-agent-cigarettes.htm

ETA: I do believe that nicotine is probably addictive to a point, like caffeine, just not the HIGHLY addictive bogeyman that it has been made out to be, and most probably not the reason people can't quit smoking.

 

[Anjaffm]

@LisaBelle and pamdis:

Holy mackerel! thank you very much for the links! this is precisely what we have been waiting for!

 

[Lisa Belle]

If you use google chrome and gmail, you can copy and paste it into Google Drive Document and put a link to it in the 500 or less space. Just a suggestion.

 

[JD4x4]

I think you can do it ... meanwhile... to DEBUNK the loudest BS of all. nicotine-clinical-trials-why-aren-t-there-any

OMG Lisa! Your research & links blow me away!!
Are you aware of software called Zotero? You should be and I think you might like it for collecting, sharing, and citing all manner of studies & articles like this.

It's free to download, use, and store as well as share your databases on their servers. Check it out. It runs on all OS's and has browser attchments that make it super-easy to collect, store, and then refer to and cite in your writings.

If you sign up, look for me and my e-cig reference collection.

Keep up the great work!!

 

[Lisa Belle]

Thank You JD will do Unfortunately, I'm a chromian. It's stand alone, doesn't have a good review when used with Chrome. Still, I will read on, maybe there is a way to organize. Right now, I have a Bookmark called E-cigarettes and Politics, it has about 300 links. I wait and scroll the masses down to a link it would be nice to simplify my methods.

 

[JD4x4]

Thank You JD will do Unfortunately, I'm a chromian. It's stand alone, doesn't have a good review when used with Chrome. Still, I will read on, maybe there is a way to organize. Right now, I have a Bookmark called E-cigarettes and Politics, it has about 300 links. I wait and scroll the masses down to a link it would be nice to simplify my methods.

Trust me.. it's well worth installing FireFox for, even if you confine using it to e-cig web surfing. The ability to organize & search these research papers and web articles, and cite statements you make in correspondence is WELL worth it, imo.