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They aren't a registered forum supplier here and never would be.
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Really? Someone cant sell a Nemesis clone bought off of fasttech, if they are stating, "Hey, this is a clone" here in the classifieds?
And I am really only asking because I dont know. I never used the classifieds here.
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Read the classified rules
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html
15. Counterfeit products will not be allowed to be sold on ECF, no matter if the item is described as such or not (see definitions below). Items being sold should never be misrepresented, for example listing a counterfeit product as the authentic product. Members found knowingly misrepresenting a cloned device as authentic WILL lose their Verified Member status and may risk being banned from ECF. Ads found listing a counterfeit product will be closed and member advised of violation.
Unacceptable
Counterfeit - An exact replica of original device. This would include, logos and/or any markings in which the original device contains.
Acceptable
Clone - This is a device that may appear similar, with similar functionality, but does not contain any of the same markings.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html
15. Counterfeit products will not be allowed to be sold on ECF, no matter if the item is described as such or not (see definitions below). Items being sold should never be misrepresented, for example listing a counterfeit product as the authentic product. Members found knowingly misrepresenting a cloned device as authentic WILL lose their Verified Member status and may risk being banned from ECF. Ads found listing a counterfeit product will be closed and member advised of violation.
Unacceptable
Counterfeit - An exact replica of original device. This would include, logos and/or any markings in which the original device contains.
Acceptable
Clone - This is a device that may appear similar, with similar functionality, but does not contain any of the same markings.
Interesting.
thank you for the answer. I had not really read the classy rules yet, as I just got verified this week and had not ventured much into them yet.
thank you for the answer. I had not really read the classy rules yet, as I just got verified this week and had not ventured much into them yet.
We just try to make sure the buyer & seller are happy and people are getting what they're paying for.
I agree to some extent. Hmm, haven't watched many films on Robin Hood (although I did see the "men in tights" one)
, and by your wording "by the end of Robin Hood" it sounds like your referring to a film. I do not know the history as I said, but like King Arthur, it appears to have taken place quite some time ago.But let me reinforce my Robin Hood analogy with another one. This one from my home town of New York City (and I do miss it sometimes). Within each neighborhood in the city, there were was often a man or men or sometimes a women, who the average person in the neighborhood knew about. These men had great power both within and outside of the neighborhood. Some of these men were mob bosses, others were gangsters and what not. Yes, most people knew that the feds or authorities were upset with them, but I tell ya, for the average person on the street who lived in the neighborhood with this man or men, while they may not agree with their activities, they generally didn't have an issue with them.
The thinking often was "hey they never did nothing to me or my family", in fact they seem like very affable people to many folks. Many of these figures would often do charitable deeds within the neighborhood, throw parties, and give the people a great fireworks show on the fourth of July, etc. Now there's no doubt there was some elements of fear and intimidation, so it seems most people had the very good sense that these were people who you generally did not "mess" with. It was better to be on their good side. You certainly did not approach these men and mouth off to them in public (unless you were tired of living or had otherwise taken leave of your senses).
But the average poor sap in the neighborhood had no control over what these men did. What do you expect these people to do or have done? Form a lynch mob? Go to the the police? (a whole story in itself). I personally had no issues with any of these individuals (nor did I wish to have any). Again, they never did nothing to me or my family. They've never wronged me in any way, that I knew of. Why should I hate them?
Now is it proper, right, and just to blame the people who happened to live in the neighborhood with these men for their crimes? Are they (like nicotine) considered guilty by association just because this is their home? Or because they enjoyed a fireworks show or a block party?
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Umm, just to give an indication of how deeply split the vaping community is over clones/replicas, I was recently watching two of my favorite vaping reviewers/celebrities. Pbusardo and Todd. Both men reviewed the RSST. But I noticed something, Todd, took a few moments out for a rant about how the RSST was a total rip-off of, I think he said, the AC9 or something, which was news to me. I don't recall any markings on the device.
Pbusardo's opinion on the subject was different, that although he thought clones were bad for the original creators, he understood that they were in general good for vapers, because as he says, they allow people to try out devices to find out whether they like them, before dropping a huge amount of cash on the real deal. And if people are gonna have a bad experience with a device, he'd rather it happen at a lower price point.
Both men liked the device though in terms of quality/performance/looks/ease of use/etc.
So you see people are making their opinions known. They are leaning in one direction or the other. Although we as a community may not agree on this issue, badmouthing our fellow vapers, is not the most enlightened solution and just makes this rift wider.
Pbusardo's opinion on the subject was different, that although he thought clones were bad for the original creators, he understood that they were in general good for vapers, because as he says, they allow people to try out devices to find out whether they like them, before dropping a huge amount of cash on the real deal. And if people are gonna have a bad experience with a device, he'd rather it happen at a lower price point.
Both men liked the device though in terms of quality/performance/looks/ease of use/etc.
So you see people are making their opinions known. They are leaning in one direction or the other. Although we as a community may not agree on this issue, badmouthing our fellow vapers, is not the most enlightened solution and just makes this rift wider.
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Arnie
OK well if you even suspect that you could be bending the Forums rules with your post- Im going to thicken the soup!
I agree with you that it can become overbearing in the same way someone dressing a less than ten year old child in "Hello Kitty" from top hair ribbon to shoe laces is! Poor kid!!; under age, no concept of being a walking billboard.
This should be an interesting and possibly HOT thread. The NO Logo &/or No Brand movement is pretty big internationally.
..:: NOBRAND - There\s no brand like nobrand ::.. - About
the movements so Far beyond apparel, it reaches into every aspect of consumer retailing, doesnt it?
About 2 decades ago- a group in the USA called "coopAmerica" (now renamed Green America) came out with a list of "Unshopping" guidelines for those of us who not only do NOT wish to pay extra for a logo- But who are repelled in general by the choking commercialism
of branding and sales in the USA- Green America:Unshopping
This goes beyond not supporting "brands" and into the whole pathos behind western capitalism in retailing.
I am sharing this seemingly bit of dribble for a reason:
1) I thought people were drawn to vape for health reasons- not fashion.
Am I that far off the mark?
I do understand some of the other aspects of it (devils advocate here)- finding something which really works for you, and getting over enthusiastic about it. Admittedly, I've fallen into that group myself.
I think there's a large number of ECF members that are serious DIY in all aspects of vaping. I'd tend to believe that group would
be behind this thread also. Theres something inherently cool about completely making your own device and its fuel (liquids) start to finish.
In my mind that really "flips the bird" to big Tobacco!
Cheers.
OK well if you even suspect that you could be bending the Forums rules with your post- Im going to thicken the soup!
I agree with you that it can become overbearing in the same way someone dressing a less than ten year old child in "Hello Kitty" from top hair ribbon to shoe laces is! Poor kid!!; under age, no concept of being a walking billboard.
This should be an interesting and possibly HOT thread. The NO Logo &/or No Brand movement is pretty big internationally.
..:: NOBRAND - There\s no brand like nobrand ::.. - About
the movements so Far beyond apparel, it reaches into every aspect of consumer retailing, doesnt it?
About 2 decades ago- a group in the USA called "coopAmerica" (now renamed Green America) came out with a list of "Unshopping" guidelines for those of us who not only do NOT wish to pay extra for a logo- But who are repelled in general by the choking commercialism
of branding and sales in the USA- Green America:Unshopping
This goes beyond not supporting "brands" and into the whole pathos behind western capitalism in retailing.
I am sharing this seemingly bit of dribble for a reason:
1) I thought people were drawn to vape for health reasons- not fashion.
Am I that far off the mark?
I do understand some of the other aspects of it (devils advocate here)- finding something which really works for you, and getting over enthusiastic about it. Admittedly, I've fallen into that group myself.
I think there's a large number of ECF members that are serious DIY in all aspects of vaping. I'd tend to believe that group would
be behind this thread also. Theres something inherently cool about completely making your own device and its fuel (liquids) start to finish.
In my mind that really "flips the bird" to big Tobacco!
Cheers.
I have a passion for fine watches; Hublot and Breitling being my favorites. I would never be able to enjoy fakes as I do genuine pieces. I would always know they are copies that could never match the precision and build of genuine articles. Wouldn't matter to me what others think, I would know they are fakes so would not be able to enjoy them.
That's wishful thinking - I don't mean that it SHOULD not be that way - but it isn't.
Manufacturers can not enforce patents and copy rights against Chinese manufacturers. The copies that are causing this discussion are copies of products for which the original designer and brand gets no compensation.
Manufacturers can not enforce patents and copy rights against Chinese manufacturers. The copies that are causing this discussion are copies of products for which the original designer and brand gets no compensation.
I'm of that mind.......I don't care what people do with their hard earned money, but I have said for a long time that consumers drive the market. For everything, of course.
I don't know if the word "blame" is one that I would use though. It's not an emotional thing, it's just cause and effect. All behaviors have consequences and outcomes. Just be responsible for your own.
If people don't like the outcome of their purchasing habits then they should change them to receive the outcome they desire. And then let everyone else do the same thing, ie decide for themselves
I do think it's great the ECF does not allow the selling of counterfeits in the classies though. It is just a move that says 'we want to stay above board as much as possible on this issue, lest people end up extremely dissapointed or disillusioned'. The mods have enough stuff to do than intervene in "is it real?" arguments anyway.
I want to share one of my favorite devices with everyone to show what I mean, and what my personal preferences and intentions are.
First, I want to say Kudos and thanks to SMOKTech and Sigelei (and others) for making devices which people can actually afford! Not saying they are perfect, not passing judgement either. I did not know about the RSST being a clone. I had no knowledge.
Now on to one of my favorite devices, this was provided to me, put together for me, and bought from fat daddy over at fatdaddyvapes.com. A great guy and a excellent vendor in my opinion who went the extra mile for me as a customer. The device combines the aftermarket telescoping tube of the Sigelei Silver Dragon (and whether the SD is a clone I DO NOT KNOW), with the brass top cap and button assembly of the Caravela (which I DO KNOW is a clone).
I love it for several reasons:
1. The device contains absolutely no markings, logos, serial numbers, designs, or anything of the sort (just my personal preference)
2. The device performs well and seems to "hit hard" as they say.
3. The top cap provides the flush look many mod owners like, but it also unscrews to reveal eGo threading, making this device versatile out of the box without the need for an adapter.
4. The build quality is amazing, the machining is great (satisfies my poor man standards) and the threading is smooth IMO.
5. Additional versatility is provided by the telescoping tube which can accept most battery sizes and configuration. Also I prefer telescoping tubes to fixed tube adjustables.
6. I love the two tone, brushed look (personal preference).
7. It is one of my shorter and most compact mods, giving it stealth appeal.
So what have I done wrong? What do you suppose my intentions are? Am I out to steal from someone or rip off another persons work?
Now if a new vaper is not aware something is a clone/replica (and I really did not know there was a difference until ECF told me there was), should they be attacked? Don't bash people who are only buying what they can afford! Ye gods, that is just not right I tell ya, and it only fuels/feeds the clone movement and turns people who should be sticking together against one another! This is the basis for the "pretentious attitude" rant from reddit.
First, I want to say Kudos and thanks to SMOKTech and Sigelei (and others) for making devices which people can actually afford! Not saying they are perfect, not passing judgement either. I did not know about the RSST being a clone. I had no knowledge.
Now on to one of my favorite devices, this was provided to me, put together for me, and bought from fat daddy over at fatdaddyvapes.com. A great guy and a excellent vendor in my opinion who went the extra mile for me as a customer. The device combines the aftermarket telescoping tube of the Sigelei Silver Dragon (and whether the SD is a clone I DO NOT KNOW), with the brass top cap and button assembly of the Caravela (which I DO KNOW is a clone).
I love it for several reasons:
1. The device contains absolutely no markings, logos, serial numbers, designs, or anything of the sort (just my personal preference)
2. The device performs well and seems to "hit hard" as they say.
3. The top cap provides the flush look many mod owners like, but it also unscrews to reveal eGo threading, making this device versatile out of the box without the need for an adapter.
4. The build quality is amazing, the machining is great (satisfies my poor man standards) and the threading is smooth IMO.
5. Additional versatility is provided by the telescoping tube which can accept most battery sizes and configuration. Also I prefer telescoping tubes to fixed tube adjustables.
6. I love the two tone, brushed look (personal preference).
7. It is one of my shorter and most compact mods, giving it stealth appeal.
So what have I done wrong? What do you suppose my intentions are? Am I out to steal from someone or rip off another persons work?
Now if a new vaper is not aware something is a clone/replica (and I really did not know there was a difference until ECF told me there was), should they be attacked? Don't bash people who are only buying what they can afford! Ye gods, that is just not right I tell ya, and it only fuels/feeds the clone movement and turns people who should be sticking together against one another! This is the basis for the "pretentious attitude" rant from reddit.
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I agree to some extent. Hmm, haven't watched many films on Robin Hood (although I did see the "men in tights" one)
But let me reinforce my Robin Hood analogy with another one. This one from my home town of New York City (and I do miss it sometimes). Within each neighborhood in the city, there were was often a man or men or sometimes a women, who the average person in the neighborhood knew about. These men had great power both within and outside of the neighborhood. Some of these men were mob bosses, others were gangsters and what not. Yes, most people knew that the feds or authorities were upset with them, but I tell ya, for the average person on the street who lived in the neighborhood with this man or men, while they may not agree with their activities, they generally didn't have an issue with them.
The thinking often was "hey they never did nothing to me or my family", in fact they seem like very affable people to many folks. Many of these figures would often do charitable deeds within the neighborhood, throw parties, and give the people a great fireworks show on the fourth of July, etc. Now there's no doubt there was some elements of fear and intimidation, so it seems most people had the very good sense that these were people who you generally did not "mess" with. It was better to be on their good side. You certainly did not approach these men and mouth off to them in public (unless you were tired of living or had otherwise taken leave of your senses).
But the average poor sap in the neighborhood had no control over what these men did. What do you expect these people to do or have done? Form a lynch mob? Go to the the police? (a whole story in itself). I personally had no issues with any of these individuals (nor did I wish to have any). Again, they never did nothing to me or my family. They've never wronged me in any way, that I knew of. Why should I hate them?
Now is it proper, right, and just to blame the people who happened to live in the neighborhood with these men for their crimes? Are they (like nicotine) considered guilty by association just because this is their home? Or because they enjoyed a fireworks show or a block party?
Gotta love Mel, although I am a history of the World, Part 1 fan. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was the one who got me interested in the movies. The books are much better as you personally give them life in subtle variations and regards of what the author is writing you as the reader give it the ooomph.
I used to live in Hempstead for a short time. New Yorkers are a much different bunch than my laid back home town in Kentucky.
It is a tough call for those type of people. I can say this, I grew up in Little Sin City.. My grandfather was a postman who defied all and took it to the "mob" that was trying to settle in. Many groups were formed. Extortion, murder and framing took place. He stuck to his morals and finally he and his group survived it and made the change needed to get the city cleaned up. It take one man/woman to start the change and then other to believe in it. Each man/woman/child has to live with their decisions in life. Whether I agree or disagree with them does not matter. I fight for what I believe in and try to change those laws that I believe hinder us in what fashion I can.
If a mod maker has all the required paperwork for patenting his/her device, then sure I won't not by a clone and I would hope those people would not market one. If they don't well then anything is fair game, so to say. The exact copies, I am not a big fan of. I do own one and have modified it so it does not look like the original. I also feel a 200 mod is a rip off. I do not feel it is any better than the clone and the person selling it trying to get rich off of the new enterprise. Price fixing is against the law under certain circumstances. I despise companies that do that.
Growing up I too had many friends that dealt in the shady side of things. Some are dead now through all the fault of their own. I was always invited in to the crowd, yet always said that is not my thing. We stayed friends but they knew that I was not going to be a part of things and knew that they literally dug their own graves.
Each man or woman decide their lives. They can change it or not. If they want to buy a clone or buy an otto carvel that is their decision and I will not judge either way even though I think it is silly to pay 3 grand for an apv.
Btw from what I have since I cannot read Latin this is all from memory as it has been awhile since I discussed Robin Hood at length. Robin Hood came about in Latin writings dating back to 1300 and 1400 hundreds. It was never mentioned who he stole from. He just took money from people to give to others. Look at yourself.. Are you wealthy? This doesn't require an answer. I have more money than some people. Other people have more money than me. The people that have less money than me have more money than others. Even the guy who makes 3k a year has more money than others. I hope that makes a little sense.
Sorry for the writing. I am not a writer, I am a math guy.
nothing wrong with that..and what you have..
as long as these items that are for sale by legal venders don't violate U. S. copyright and patent laws, all is fair game.. (for US citizens)
If I were to make something that I deemed desirable and profitable, I would copyright or patent what I can.. (Especially a "name or moniker)
If you don't - you can't blame any one else for stealing your efforts..
These makers know this.. and they thrive on being the new "HIT" and will know they have to continue to make a newer version or piece.
as long as these items that are for sale by legal venders don't violate U. S. copyright and patent laws, all is fair game.. (for US citizens)
If I were to make something that I deemed desirable and profitable, I would copyright or patent what I can.. (Especially a "name or moniker)
If you don't - you can't blame any one else for stealing your efforts..
These makers know this.. and they thrive on being the new "HIT" and will know they have to continue to make a newer version or piece.
I've enjoyed reading the thread since it's inception and the various commentary .. I think it shows a clear divide, not just with PV and related products, but with goods in general ..
I'm not planning on adding anything after this post to the discussion, so I'll close with these thoughts ..
1) In a general sense, we've embraced the low cost product .. whether it be a PV or a wristwatch .. the only way to get that lowest cost product which appears to be much like the "high end" is to support those that willingly take from the innovator and make it cheaper .. it likely won't be better, in fact, it could be much worse .. but we buy based on price and then rationalize by saying "The innovator should be protecting that design legally .. "
2) The innovator cannot protect the design when the cheaper product is made in a Country that has no regard for the rights of design ownership .. in the USA, an innovator is able to have a cease and desist order issued, or offer to accept a royalty percentage as a legal way for another to make a same or very similar item, etc .. and yes, it's a metal tube with a battery .. however, American innovation has always been driven by the "Build a Better Mousetrap" philosophy .. that's why we are what we are today .. because we keep at it and continually strive to make it better
3) The innovator deserves to profit from their innovation or design .. if there is no reward, or the reward is little, it removes the incentive to continue to innovate ..
4) Some will continue to want the real thing .. some will be happy with what may appear to be the real thing .. Innovators in America will continue to innovate and many will fail, a few will have success and of those, some will find what they came up with available on-line 6 months later at 50% or less ..
Once the PV reaches it's highest level of innovation, it will likely be an American that creates it .. like we have created so many other things in the past .. and soon after this event, that final innovation / design will be stolen .. yes, stolen .. and, other than a handful of Boutique American Craftsman, everything else will come from overseas ..
And many, if not most, are fine with that ..
I'm not planning on adding anything after this post to the discussion, so I'll close with these thoughts ..
1) In a general sense, we've embraced the low cost product .. whether it be a PV or a wristwatch .. the only way to get that lowest cost product which appears to be much like the "high end" is to support those that willingly take from the innovator and make it cheaper .. it likely won't be better, in fact, it could be much worse .. but we buy based on price and then rationalize by saying "The innovator should be protecting that design legally .. "
2) The innovator cannot protect the design when the cheaper product is made in a Country that has no regard for the rights of design ownership .. in the USA, an innovator is able to have a cease and desist order issued, or offer to accept a royalty percentage as a legal way for another to make a same or very similar item, etc .. and yes, it's a metal tube with a battery .. however, American innovation has always been driven by the "Build a Better Mousetrap" philosophy .. that's why we are what we are today .. because we keep at it and continually strive to make it better
3) The innovator deserves to profit from their innovation or design .. if there is no reward, or the reward is little, it removes the incentive to continue to innovate ..
4) Some will continue to want the real thing .. some will be happy with what may appear to be the real thing .. Innovators in America will continue to innovate and many will fail, a few will have success and of those, some will find what they came up with available on-line 6 months later at 50% or less ..
Once the PV reaches it's highest level of innovation, it will likely be an American that creates it .. like we have created so many other things in the past .. and soon after this event, that final innovation / design will be stolen .. yes, stolen .. and, other than a handful of Boutique American Craftsman, everything else will come from overseas ..
And many, if not most, are fine with that ..
Gotta love Mel, although I am a history of the World, Part 1 fan. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was the one who got me interested in the movies. The books are much better as you personally give them life in subtle variations and regards of what the author is writing you as the reader give it the ooomph.
I used to live in Hempstead for a short time. New Yorkers are a much different bunch than my laid back home town in Kentucky.
It is a tough call for those type of people. I can say this, I grew up in Little Sin City.. My grandfather was a postman who defied all and took it to the "mob" that was trying to settle in. Many groups were formed. Extortion, murder and framing took place. He stuck to his morals and finally he and his group survived it and made the change needed to get the city cleaned up. It take one man/woman to start the change and then other to believe in it. Each man/woman/child has to live with their decisions in life. Whether I agree or disagree with them does not matter. I fight for what I believe in and try to change those laws that I believe hinder us in what fashion I can.
If a mod maker has all the required paperwork for patenting his/her device, then sure I won't not by a clone and I would hope those people would not market one. If they don't well then anything is fair game, so to say. The exact copies, I am not a big fan of. I do own one and have modified it so it does not look like the original. I also feel a 200 mod is a rip off. I do not feel it is any better than the clone and the person selling it trying to get rich off of the new enterprise. Price fixing is against the law under certain circumstances. I despise companies that do that.
Growing up I too had many friends that dealt in the shady side of things. Some are dead now through all the fault of their own. I was always invited in to the crowd, yet always said that is not my thing. We stayed friends but they knew that I was not going to be a part of things and knew that they literally dug their own graves.
Each man or woman decide their lives. They can change it or not. If they want to buy a clone or buy an otto carvel that is their decision and I will not judge either way even though I think it is silly to pay 3 grand for an apv.
Btw from what I have since I cannot read Latin this is all from memory as it has been awhile since I discussed Robin Hood at length. Robin Hood came about in Latin writings dating back to 1300 and 1400 hundreds. It was never mentioned who he stole from. He just took money from people to give to others. Look at yourself.. Are you wealthy? This doesn't require an answer. I have more money than some people. Other people have more money than me. The people that have less money than me have more money than others. Even the guy who makes 3k a year has more money than others. I hope that makes a little sense.
Sorry for the writing. I am not a writer, I am a math guy.
Very intelligent arguments bluecat! I love a fellow history buff. And this information you've provided is great. And although I have studied Latin for several years, this time period was not really my area of interest. Talk to me of Rome, or Britain under the Romans, of ancient Sumeria, of the Punic Wars, of the Gracchi brothers (whose leanings are similiar to mine), ancient China, etc. and we shall have a discussion which will likely drive most people here mad with boredom.
I think we are in agreement on many things. But lets be realistic here. Yes, there were people who stood by their moral codes and such, and who knows, they might have had the courage to approach a Mr. Gotti, or a Mr. Schultz, or a Mr. Luciano, or a Mr. Capone (assuming they could get close enough), they might even flip them off or something. And these men would very likely respect ya for it. Now how long you might live to enjoy that respect, well that is debatable. For most people though, this sorta act, was generally at the bottom of their "to do" lists. Let's just say it was generally not considered "conducive to ones health" and the health of those you loved. Many men have courage, but I would have to weigh this against my desire to be around (and alive) for my daughter. If that makes me a coward so be it.
I'm a live and let live kinda guy. Shady? That word has no meaning for me really. NYC is a different world. As long as you don't mess with me or my family, I don't really care what ya do. I'm not a lawyer and certainly not a saint or super hero or do gooder. I know nothing of copyright and patent laws. But I do know that violating laws with intent is one thing, but if one does not know, well them it would be a miscarriage of justice to blame them. Like the counterfeit bill analogy, don't arrest the person who gets the bill and unwittingly spends it. Go after the source.
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Umm no.
BTW.. The e cig was developed in China. So in essence the US mod makers stole the designs from China, according to your statements. Then again many of the high end mod makers aren't from the US.
If the Chinese thought they could get away with it they would already be doing it.
Aye mate. I try to live by (me personally) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Yes I know a Christian statement, but I don't mean it to be religious.
Yes... they should go after the clone makers if they feel they are producing these unlawfully not the user.
Yesterday a young woman from upstairs left the lights on in her car. When I left (also four other men left at the same time from her office) I noticed she had her hood up. The four men from her office drove right by. I stopped and asked if she needed help. Unfortunately my jumper cables where in my garage as I just bought a new car and had not put them in yet. She thanked me anyway and said I did not have to stay until triple A got there. I said no problem, I would hate it if my wife was in the same situation and no one stopped.
Every thing I have read on the mod makers... they take it as a honor to be cloned. Or maybe it was just one. The only people that take exception are the other clone makers. Now let's be realistic..... other than the art work.... they are basically a tube/box a switch and a thread for an atty. That is akin to Paris Hilton try to copyright "That's Hot". There is nothing inventive about the different mods.
Eventually someone will figure it out. Personally, I despise being ripped off more than buying a clone.
Yes... they should go after the clone makers if they feel they are producing these unlawfully not the user.
Yesterday a young woman from upstairs left the lights on in her car. When I left (also four other men left at the same time from her office) I noticed she had her hood up. The four men from her office drove right by. I stopped and asked if she needed help. Unfortunately my jumper cables where in my garage as I just bought a new car and had not put them in yet. She thanked me anyway and said I did not have to stay until triple A got there. I said no problem, I would hate it if my wife was in the same situation and no one stopped.
Every thing I have read on the mod makers... they take it as a honor to be cloned. Or maybe it was just one. The only people that take exception are the other clone makers. Now let's be realistic..... other than the art work.... they are basically a tube/box a switch and a thread for an atty. That is akin to Paris Hilton try to copyright "That's Hot". There is nothing inventive about the different mods.
Eventually someone will figure it out. Personally, I despise being ripped off more than buying a clone.
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