Like I said in the coffee beans post, it sound to move on ECF isn't what it was when I joined 5 years ago it's become toxic. the decent people that are left are few and far between and it seems like they're leaving in large numbers. I don't know if it's just because they feel the same way that I do, or if there's something larger going on that I'm unaware of. The bottom line is I found another forum that I can share my love for electronic cigarettes on. I also don't have to worry about people getting their feelings hurt by me because you know what I don't always agree with them.