Older Folks and Vaping Back Porch - Part Three

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Just a very quick couple of notes .. I'm having to do this on my phone ..

Yiddle .. yes, you have .. but if I recall correctly, you up and disappeared once upon a time .. and I asked and asked what happened .. but it's all good now .. :)

Deb .. don't sweat it .. I promise to attend the HO as soon as things settle down for me and we'll talk it out .. :)
 

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I'm hearing what I regard as homophobia. Of course you see it differently.

Although I ignored the first few, starting with someone's determination that a guy in a picture must be gay, it kept on going. So, I'm responding.
Say what you want but approximately 80% of the Chippendale dancers are gay and readily admit it. Not homophobic but fact. Also it does seem like gay young men do take better care of their bodies. Nothing to back that up just an observation of several gay friends.
 

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Oh my word that is gorgeous! Truly beautiful and amazing! I absolutely love it!! How long did it take to make?
She spent a month or so on it. It's probably over 35 years old. Doree was working on it when I met her.
 

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Matt, have you identified the birds yet? Are they still there?
They're there every morning now. Can't see em but, I can here em. One is a crow by the obvious call, the others I have no idea but, gives me hope that more will appear as it gets closer to fall
 

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Say what you want but approximately 80% of the Chippendale dancers are gay and readily admit it. Not homophobic but fact. Also it does seem like gay young men do take better care of their bodies. Nothing to back that up just an observation of several gay friends.
My point had nothing to do with whether or not the actor in the picture is gay. My point was that it is irrelevant and not worth noting whether or not the actor is gay.
 

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My point had nothing to do with whether or not the actor in the picture is gay. My point was that it is irrelevant and not worth noting whether or not the actor is gay.
Agreed. That is peoples' own private lives. What people do in their bedrooms is their own business.
 

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oh that's wonderful that you found something that is helping him! Sorry he's got to go through that. Need to try to remember to ask the doc about this, and look up the thing from Bragg's that Kenna found!

I have had him tested for another, possibly related, problem before. One Dr. said he was acting, one didn't think it was bad enough to treat. So, we went home and the family worked together and solved the problem by ourselves. I decided, then, that that's where we'll start from now on. And, since this was/is a behavior issue, I can just hear them say he's not being disciplined enough, or that it's because he's the youngest, things I had already decided were not it. Too many times that has happened to me or my other family members, so, for other than school physicals, we stay away from Dr.'s unless we are physically ill and think there's a treatment for it that we can get only from a Dr. My whole family is physically healthy enough, but when problems like these come up, that can't be easily seen, "they aren't bad enough", or "everything comes out normal", or "they're making it up", or they say it's something it's not. Abnormal is abnormal, and they know/knew we don't make appointments unless there's something I can't fix. And, I want to get to the reason for the problem, and fix that, not just take a pill and cover it up.

The worse part about my feelings about Dr.'s (the medical establishment in general), I am a nurse. I've been an LPN for 33 years. I know what Dr.'s are thinking. I know the drugs they prescribe, I know the system. It didn't take long for me to lose my reverence for the medical establishment.

The Bragg's is a good idea, and I probably would've started there had I known about it. Though, compared to what I finally found, the Bragg's has more sodium in it than I would want to give him and fewer aminos.

I am learning more of the natural replacements to pharmaceuticals and wish I'd learned it a long time ago. I use ACV, turmeric, krill oil, saffron, and the aminos, and although they are not in there natural forms (pills/capsules/powder), I have replaced almost all of the OTC meds in my house with them (haven't found a replacement for Tylenol/Motrin). Don't get me wrong, I know there are some things that people need to see the Dr. about, but thankfully, we haven't had any of those kinds of problems.

This is more than I thought I would say, so ending it now. Thanks for your replies and 'likes'.
 

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I'm trying to catch up. I'm not sure it's gonna happen! I'm just gonna have to throw out a few thoughts and move on. Otherwise, I'll be 130 posts behind forever.

Debadoo, your advice about practicing gratitude for the small things in life is oh so true. Just have to keep reminding myself to practice it more often.

Yiddle, just how many good looking men have you had . . . oops, known? You naughty girl!

Huge hugs to my whole porch family. For the happy, the sad, the fun and everything. We have all lost and gained, it is so good to know that we have a place to come to that has arms to hold us and shoulders to cry on. Friends that will laugh with us and celebrate with us. Thank you all for being here and being a wonderful circle of friends.

The loss of a child is the very worst loss imaginable. It breaks my heart to hear your stories of loss. But, it also makes me love you even more. MissWish, thank you for expressing it so well!

Kenna, I agree about celebrating the day of their birth. The two that I celebrate are April 1 and August 13.

To be continued . . . .
 

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Pain and how we deal with that pain defines who we are to a large extent. I suffer from physical pain a lot, a rare day when it is low enough to be background...
However I have suffered self inflicted? mental pain my entire life. I grow weary of the constant struggle with depression and anxiety aka fear that have been my constant companions during my life as far back into my childhood as I can remember. One learns to compensate and hide these things from others for several reasons. To not worry others that care for you, to not appear weak, to try and fit in with others, etc...
I think I understand Robin Williams more than most do. What people see us as is often a carefully constructed facade that becomes what others think we are.
And how can we burden the ones we love with the pain we feel?

I am just very weary of my journey, the constant battle has worn me down....

Well back to tooting on my Cinnamon Danish swirl.

Robert, there is so much I'ld like to say.

Much of our suffering may appear to be self-inflicted. It is, and it isn't. It's all a result of our past. What we've suffered, what we've been taught, and our biology. We have no choice in where we start. And, to do anything beyond where that leads us takes tremendous effort and luck.

With depression, I lucked out when I went through menopause. That's when suddenly the intensity of my depression finally lifted. I still got depressed. But, the intensity and the hopelessness of it finally lifted. Biology has a tremendous effect on emotions. Hormones, nutrition, sleep, etc.

I've always tended to block things out, both emotions and memories. The day the worst of the memories came back to me was a turning point in my life. When I was 8 months pregnant with my first child, one day memories started flooding back. The emotions were so intense that I felt I was being crushed by a tidal wave, like I would die. No wonder I blocked out the memories. After all, they were the memories of an 8 year old. And, an 8 year old is not prepared to deal with such a crushing sense of shame. Because that's what I felt, an incredible, crushing sense of shame, along with lots of little memories attached to the shame.

I also used to repress anger. I don't know if it was because I felt a lot of anger and felt it was dangerous to express it or if it was because my mother and my third grade teacher had such bad tempers and hurt me so badly without ever needing to lay a hand on me. To me anger was violence (and unforgivable).

Then one day, something happened that made me very angry. But, this time I felt so justified in my anger that I didn't block it out and repress it. Yes, I did start to. I felt the shame of it, felt like I was in a deep pit. But, before I buried that part of myself in the pit (which felt so familiar), my self-righteous anger stopped me this one time. And, guess what. The world didn't end. No one died. And, I didn't block it out.

That's the first time I REMEMBERED being angry and started to ever so slowly integrate that part of myself into my awareness.

Many years later, I went through a period where I felt like my anger was so intense that it could destroy the world. I felt like I was burning up from the inside. I was in enough pain that I desperately started experimenting. What worked best at that time was a combination of forgiveness and mindfulness (also called walking meditation).

The Old Folks threads are turning out to be part of me learning to feel less fearful and distrusting. Especially in combination with my experiences with the doctors I've had recently. I've never had a doctor before that seemed to genuinely care. It's a first for me. Some of the weariness and hopelessness is starting to lift.

Sorry I went on and on. The whole point I was trying to make is: Don't give up. There is always still hope. I don't know what would help you. I'm not good at knowing what to say or how to help. Of course, a big part of what causes you such emotional pain might be the physical pain you're in. I'm lucky enough to not have too much experience with that. But, there are plenty on this thread that do have a lot of experience with pain and how to deal with it.

At least, you know you're not alone here.
 

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The worse part about my feelings about Dr.'s (the medical establishment in general), I am a nurse. I've been an LPN for 33 years. I know what Dr.'s are thinking. I know the drugs they prescribe, I know the system. It didn't take long for me to lose my reverence for the medical establishment.
I either didn't realize you were a nurse, or forgot, probably forgot. I agree a lot with you about Dr's, I don't like them and they usually don't like me much either cuz I question them, sometimes give em an attitude of "get over yourself, I know God and you're not Him"!! lol But I also know little to nothing about amino acids, so wanted to find out if that was something I should consider with me, meds I take etc. If I had more learnin and could afford it, I totally agree that most everything we need is found in nature. That's great you have the learnin and can do that.

Wow Dancin. Dunno what to say except, you're not alone either hun. There are things that should never happen to anyone but particularly not children. Been there. Repressing or burying anger is never good, and glad you learned that. And yay, glad you're caught up now! just saw that :)
 

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I lived with a mystery nearly all my life. Somehow, my conscious mind refused to process the problem, I think because of a fear of the resultant anger. When I finally asked why, people were amazed that I did not consciously know. Somehow, I behaved as if I knew. After I got the answer, I struggled with intense anxiety just thinking about it. As I overcame this, I began to write about it, and face my anger. It was a slow process, and I only got the last personal piece of the puzzle a year ago. Writing about it helped me understand their cultural context, and therefore forgive them as victims of their own warped culture. The internet helped me to make contact from people who are exiting from that culture, and understand that many were victims just as much as I was.
 

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I either didn't realize you were a nurse, or forgot, probably forgot. I agree a lot with you about Dr's, I don't like them and they usually don't like me much either cuz I question them, sometimes give em an attitude of "get over yourself, I know God and you're not Him"!! lol But I also know little to nothing about amino acids, so wanted to find out if that was something I should consider with me, meds I take etc. If I had more learnin and could afford it, I totally agree that most everything we need is found in nature. That's great you have the learnin and can do that.

Not on you, this time ;). I don't share that with everyone. Some people have a bad reaction to it. I may have said something at one time, but not sure. My family was at the bottom of the income level, when I got out of high school, so I got my college education paid for by the gov. The year I got out, that program disappeared. The things the gov should cut, they don't. Things never change.

Google is what I use for learning these days and watching/listening/reading people. My dad avoids pharmaceuticals, so has me research stuff for him. If my mom isn't happy with her meds, she has me look for alternatives. My brother and sister believe more in the medical system than natural remedies, so they look at me funny when I suggest something.

The part of the aminos I read about, that made me try it, was that some of them have to do with mood and behavior. Helping with the use or formation of hormones that help in that area, helping with the feel good chemicals in our brains. I've also read that if you are on some types of depression med, blood pressure med, or diabetes med, you shouldn't take aminos because they increase the action of those meds. Other than if it actually does what the med does, I don't see how it could be dangerous because all they are are the 'building blocks' of protein. I don't remember specifics, but if you are interested in finding out more, I usually get good results if I google "amino acids and ....." (.....=depression, blood pressure, diabetes, behavior, whatever).
 

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Not on you, this time ;). I don't share that with everyone. Some people have a bad reaction to it. I may have said something at one time, but not sure. My family was at the bottom of the income level, when I got out of high school, so I got my college education paid for by the gov. The year I got out, that program disappeared. The things the gov should cut, they don't. Things never change.

Google is what I use for learning these days and watching/listening/reading people. My dad avoids pharmaceuticals, so has me research stuff for him. If my mom isn't happy with her meds, she has me look for alternatives. My brother and sister believe more in the medical system than natural remedies, so they look at me funny when I suggest something.

The part of the aminos I read about, that made me try it, was that some of them have to do with mood and behavior. Helping with the use or formation of hormones that help in that area, helping with the feel good chemicals in our brains. I've also read that if you are on some types of depression med, blood pressure med, or diabetes med, you shouldn't take aminos because they increase the action of those meds. Other than if it actually does what the med does, I don't see how it could be dangerous because all they are are the 'building blocks' of protein. I don't remember specifics, but if you are interested in finding out more, I usually get good results if I google "amino acids and ....." (.....=depression, blood pressure, diabetes, behavior, whatever).
Very interesting. I want to no more about what your talking about. I'm on Blood pressure meds.3X a day!! And anxiety/depression meds but I came a long way from the opiate addiction. Thank god !!
 

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She spent a month or so on it. It's probably over 35 years old. Doree was working on it when I met her.
OMG! I'm caught up (at least, on THIS thread)!



Dancin', your previous post pulled at my heart very deeply..thank you so much for sharing this! So beautifully expressed! I'm so glad that you've come such a long way toward emotional and mental health...you GO GIRL!!!!
 

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Very interesting. I want to no more about what your talking about. I'm on Blood pressure meds.3X a day!! And anxiety/depression meds but I came a long way from the opiate addiction. Thank god !!

Amino Acids will give you a good start.

According to that, you should avoid extra Phenylalanine and Tyrosine. This is the only reason I have not told my mom or dad about the aminos, but still, I can't imagine it being worse than a high protein diet. It does not compute yet, but until it does, I'm going to be cautious.

If you have Chrome, there's an extension/app/thingamajig that you can use to search the article for words and it comes in real handy. It's the 3 lines on the upper right hand of the screen, click on that and look down the list til you see 'find', click that and a box pops up where you put the word/s you're looking for then click enter, it highlights all entries of the word/s. Keep pressing enter to go through each entry.
 

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