Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

[Kenna]

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You're likely all asleep, time zones, but if I want to get my diy juice supplies and implements in one fell swoop, which one? I save on shipping that way. Don't know what brand of flavours to try. Guess I could order everything except the Nic from here. I'll have to look. Any suggestions on one stop shops at best prices?

I've used Wizard Labs, ecig express, & My Freedom Smokes. I know others use RTS Vapes, who recently changed their name to RTS something. I got all my syringes & lab thing off Amazon, including my pg & vg. I got quart sizes to start with to see how the wjole DIY thing went. But the ones I listed have all that plus flavorings.

 

[Kenna]

I am so sorry that you and your bride are going thru this. She's so young. I would certainly take experimental drugs too if I had to. Why not.

I've done clinical trials 2x for RA drugs. They knew the drug worked on RA, but they were invented for something else. They just had to see how they worked in conjunction with other drugs required for RA to optimize results. For instance, Remicade was developed for Chrohns. Methotrexate was developed for breast cancer but they discovered it a hard hitter on RA in the late 70's. It became to DMARD of choice, but not everyone can take it.

 

[Kenna]

Funny. I spent a few years with using rechargeable batteries. Now I have eleaf isticks (4) because my 1st one is over 2 years old and still working hard. 2 are in storage. One other is used on occasion. Never had a problem.

You need to use your batteries in rotation. They slowly lose their charge in storage h then when you take them out to use they won't hold a full charge. They are good for x number of charges before they start going downhill. 4 used in rotation will last much longer than storing some unused. Debadoo did that & when she pulled them out to use they didn't any longer than the ones she had just thrown out. Never used but performed with worn out batts.

 

[Kenna]

Any reason not to buy the pg/vg blend at my preferred ratio? Then I could just add flavour and Nic, couldn't I ?

Adding glavoring & nic will change your pg/vg ratio. Nic & flavorings count toward your ratio. Example: I like a 50/50 ratio. I use a 70/30 vg to pg ratio base mix & when I add my flavorings (which are all in a pg base) I come out around my 50/50 preferred ratio. You can order your nic in a ratio like 80% vg & since you don't use many flavors still come out at about 75% vg.

 

[DavidOck]

You're likely all asleep, time zones, but if I want to get my diy juice supplies and implements in one fell swoop, which one? I save on shipping that way. Don't know what brand of flavours to try. Guess I could order everything except the Nic from here. I'll have to look. Any suggestions on one stop shops at best prices?

I'll echo Kenna on that, although I do get most of my supplies from Ecigexpress these days. Partly because they usually have the flavors I want in stock, and partly because they're in my State, so, at least for me, VERY fast

Any reason not to buy the pg/vg blend at my preferred ratio? Then I could just add flavour and Nic, couldn't I ?

As mentioned, adding flavor and nic will change that ratio on you. So if precision is required, on the final ratio, gets to be pretty tricky... if possible at all. Especially since not all mixes will have the same amounts of the various flavors!

But what I and many others do is mix our own "base" of PG, VG and nic. I mix mine at slightly more VG than I want, and slightly higher nic %. My flavors are all PG based, so when added they reduce both the VG and the nic %, getting me "close enough" to what I want the final result to be. But you do need to know at least roughly what the total (typical for you) flavor % will be to know what the base % needs to be. Maybe not the best approach while you're starting diy.

It does then make it fast to blend new (or fresh) flavors. Using something like ejuicemeup to do the math, measure out the flavors, add the base to make up the volume, done.

 

[kross8]

I'll echo Kenna on that, although I do get most of my supplies from Ecigexpress these days. Partly because they usually have the flavors I want in stock, and partly because they're in my State, so, at least for me, VERY fast



As mentioned, adding flavor and nic will change that ratio on you. So if precision is required, on the final ratio, gets to be pretty tricky... if possible at all. Especially since not all mixes will have the same amounts of the various flavors!

But what I and many others do is mix our own "base" of PG, VG and nic. I mix mine at slightly more VG than I want, and slightly higher nic %. My flavors are all PG based, so when added they reduce both the VG and the nic %, getting me "close enough" to what I want the final result to be. But you do need to know at least roughly what the total (typical for you) flavor % will be to know what the base % needs to be. Maybe not the best approach while you're starting diy.

It does then make it fast to blend new (or fresh) flavors. Using something like ejuicemeup to do the math, measure out the flavors, add the base to make up the volume, done.

good point David,, I forgot many people put their nic in their base.

 

[Kaezziel]

That doctor was an a--. That's why. I grew up with one. My father was an orthopedic surgeon and he was what you think of a superior, arrogant a--. Some of these doctors forget they're working on himans with feelings. Made my life a living hell. I left home at 17 and never went back.

Yes... yes he was. She had him a couple of years ago (after her first surgery), and he was the same way then. We were hoping that she'd get a different doctor this time around, but it didn't work out that way. At least now he's finally starting to listen, though...
Ugh... sorry to hear about your father and what you went through. Mine wasn't a doctor, but he was (is) quite an a--, himself. I left home at 18, and that was that... things are a little better now, but it took a lot of years to get to the point where we can actually hold a conversation together.

I think you're doing great with lowering the nicotine.
I did not do any research either. But I joined EFC.
Good for you to not make big clouds with annoyed people around.

I was happy to have lowered it from the high levels that I started out using. I think that 5mg is good for me, though. I'll likely not lower it any further as I'm hoping that there is something to the study that nicotine is good for cognitive brain function and that it helps to stave off dementia and Alzheimer's.

Yep thats great Kazz. I'm thinking of lowering my flavor now because if I vape too much it makes my chest hurt. I'm sure it is the flavoring it is really strong even at 2% going to try 1.5%. It doesn't bother me if I don't chain vape and I know its not the nic at 3mg. I made Ginny some 6mg VGPG 50/50 and she likes it mixed with her 12mg about 50% so she is actually vaping about 9mg. I am not a cloud chaser but I'm not a tootle puffer either. I make some pretty good clouds sometimes but not like I've seen done. Course they have a lot more lung capacity then me. Some I've seen look like a fog bank blowin in.

With the TFA and Cap flavors, I tend to use really high flavor percentages. Helps to reduce steep time (for me, anyway) on some flavors. Custards and bakery flavors still need decent steeping before they are good, though. I don't usually make fog banks, either... usually. Good that Ginny is doing well at around 9mg! She just started vaping, and to be holding on at 9mg and not craving smokes too bad is a good thing! It was a loooong time before I ever managed to drop that low. I started at 42mg, then dropped to 36mg after about 3 months. Then I stayed at 36mg for several years. Once I started vaping sub-ohm coils, I dropped from 36 to 12mg, and have slowly cut down to the 5mg that I use now.

When the doctor is doing a nerve block - pretty much the patient has to tell them when they have it right. They only know the approximate area to try to set the block - they move it around inside (that is part of where the pain comes from) until they get it right.

That makes complete sense. The weird thing is that I've heard that a lot of them put the patients under a twilight anesthesia for nerve blocks... wouldn't that make it so that the patient can't really give any imput? Then it'd just be the doctor guessing.

I am so sorry that you and your bride are going thru this. She's so young. I would certainly take experimental drugs too if I had to. Why not.

Thank you, Seminole! She is rather young (but several years older than I ), but she has been plagued by health issues since she was a child. Dealing with medical stuff is nothing new to her. She debated on whether or not to try the trial drugs for a while. She finally decided to give it a try. Now, we're just playing the waiting game and hoping that everything goes through so that she can get started. If it were me... I have no idea what I'd do in her shoes. She is stronger than I'll ever be, and she is much more willing to endure things that I could not.

Don't worry about it. They will get rain and maybe a little wind. They may lose their electric for a bit. I think the biggest danger (aside from these weather reporters) is people near the coast and the storm surge. And a lot of rain and strong wind do not make trees very happy. The typical present day house in florida is built with concrete blocks reinforced by dropping rebar and cement down the holes every few feet. The worst case scenario to me would be all the rain making my house get swallowed up by a sink hole.

The worst hurricane I lived thru was Hurricane Gloria on Long Island in the 80's. The eye went right over our house. We spent the day in the basement. I kept wondering why there was all this green outside the little basement window. Well Gloria had taken my weeping willow down. And 4 days without electric and making coffee on a charcoal grill.

Yeah, I talked to him a bit yesterday. He got the house all boarded up... managed to get his beard caught in the cordless drill! He says, "If you ever get your beard caught in an electric drill... reversing the drill will NOT free your beard. It just twists more beard up in the opposite direction." LMAO... But he managed to get it done, got all the critters corralled into their shelters, and they're just hunkering down and gonna ride it out. I think they're actually about an hour west of Orlando, so hopefully it won't be too bad for them.

My Bride and I were in Jacksonville when Floyd came through... that was an evacuation nightmare that I'd rather never repeat. Then, after we moved to Houston, there was another hurricane (can't remember the name now), but we lost power for a week and a half. No generator, we were in an apartment complex. Many meals, and many pots of coffee were cooked on a charcoal grill, so I know what ya mean about that. Funny enough, I had a neighbor in the apartments that was going through coffee withdrawals. He was a writer, and just couldn't function without his coffee. I waved him over one morning and gave him a cup of coffee, and just had to laugh at the look on his face when he asked me where I managed to get coffee from. I pointed at the grill and told him that I made it. He demanded to know my secret! LOL!

 

[Debadoo]

When it comes to pain - you have to remember the doctor isn't feeling anything and unless you speak up - he will figure you are alright...

JUP! I had a dream long time ago, doc was basically blowing me off. I told him, I wish so much that for just 5 minutes, you could feel what I feel!!! Suddenly he hollered, his knees crumpled, and he went to the floor. Neither of could figger out what was wrong with him. Suddenly, what I'd said came back to my mind, and I told him........you aint seriously ill......you're feeling my pain.......all of it! In 5 mins it cleared up and he had a lot better bedside manner after that! Wish it could really happen, not just in a dream.

exhale into. People just assume an old guy with a hanky at his mouth is completly innocent.

Good idea. I usually just blow it into my shirt, but I'm sure that looks funny. Of course, I mostly do that when no one is around and I'm vaping where they say I shouldn't be.

Have any of you noticed all these really small PV's they are coming out with. I think the latest one I saw was at Vapor DNA made by Eleaf but there are a bunch a little bigger then cigalike, I saw one called the Prince Von Erl system and you had to buy flavor cartridges only at 24mg and held 2ml. Seems like I get one everyday in emails from different companies.

JUP! Been seeing a lot of these. Dunno if they thing it'll be easier to get those approved with PMTAs or what.

Oh Deb! After reading @Kaezziel's post about what his bride suffered with that real-time xray i hope the anesthesia you were given knocked you out. Please let us know how you feel when you feel up to it. ((((((Hugs)))))

thanks hun. Jup it did knock me out. I was waiting on them to give me the happy juice, and was certain I'd been awake and aware of what was going on. I was certainly uncomfortable from laying on my stomach and aware of that. They really oughta make boob holes in them tables! hehehe Then someone hollered my name and said it's done. I thought........what's done? Then they hollered my name and told me to roll over onto the bed they had beside the table. For reals?? No idea I'd even gotten the happy juice. she wasn't sure, but thought it was a combo of fentanyl, versed and propofol. Not even really and hangover cept a bit of a headache. Some pain in my hip even after the vicodin today, but really not feeling too bad at all. Other pain has been greatly reduced! This was certainly nicer than getting 8 injections, 4 on each side with no anesthesia like I did 3 times before!

Sometimes, communicating by e-mail can be frustrating. (Takes a vape)

google hangout? much easier than email.

That doctor was an a--. That's why. I grew up with one. My father was an orthopedic surgeon and he was what you think of a superior, arrogant a--. Some of these doctors forget they're working on himans with feelings. Made my life a living hell. I left home at 17 and never went back.

so sorry you dealt with that. jup a whole lot of em think they're better than God! Can't stand em, and have told a few of em so.

Just call the number and get a FREE device!!

Um... Yeah. Anyone else spot the scam?

wow........thought that scam was over. That just burns me up!!

Without a doubt, the nic would be the priciest.

Probably depends a lot on how much nic a person uses and how much flavoring. 5% total flavoring vs 30% total flavoring like some do. Where they get their nic. $40-50/liter vs $100 + a liter and using 3mg vs 24 + mg etc. Also depends on if they're spending 1.49 for 8mls of flavoring at wizard labs, or 6.00 for 10 mls of flavoring at vaping zone. Just too many variables for a blanket decision.

Now flavoring - 30ml bottle for $4 is $.13 per ml.

where do you get it for that? Mt Baker vapor? Don't like theirs.

Now I'm rolling on the floor! What you said makes me feel like carrying mine everywhere I go.

lmao I do carry mine everywhere I go. Anesthetist today had a great sense of humor. she saw it in my hand......wuzn't letting go of it even long enough for em to put an IV in even though I couldn't use it, at least I had it. She said........what's that, a bomb??? hehehe I said, JUP how'd ya know? lol Person behind me knew what it was and was kind of explaining to her what it was. I said, jup, this is what's kept me off cigs for the last 4.5 years. The nurse said most of the ones she'd seen were pen styles, never seen one like my Reo. I said, yeah this one is a bit more advanced since I make my own coils and make my own juice. they seemed really interested and were wow'd that I made my own coils and juice. It was just nice they were interested. I always have it with me at the dr office, but most ignore it. One has asked me about it other than these two today.

he typical present day house in florida is built with concrete blocks reinforced by dropping rebar and cement down the holes every few feet. The worst case scenario to me would be all the rain making my house get swallowed up by a sink hole.

I've seen vids of shelters done like that in folk's garages etc. Nice some houses are being done like that. I've heard of a couple concrete houses in OKC.

Sure are a lot of Floridians here on the porch.

JUP we had a lot already now have gotten a few more. Wish y'all had been here in April......we had a grand get together with porchers from all over the country in Florida. Rented a 6 bedroom house, and had about 15-16 folks there for a week! It was wonderful for all of us to get together. Many of us have been on this thread and been like family for 5-6 years. Was wonderful to meet face to face and spend time together. There are a lot of pics somewhere.

Any reason not to buy the pg/vg blend at my preferred ratio? Then I could just add flavour and Nic, couldn't I ?

I answered this a bit but was in a long post. It's not a bad thing to try it, and a few places even offer a liter of your preferred pg/vg mix with your preferred nic already added. As said, it will change a bit adding flavorings but not a lot if you aren't super heavy on flavorings. However, in the interest of being stocked up and cheaper in the long run, getting a few liters of 100 mg nic in the freezer, and for you, buying a cube of 3 gallons PG and 1 gallon VG from essential depot will be much cheaper in the long run although initially more expensive, and you'll be set. You'll find once you do it, that it is far easier than you thought it would be. And the ejuice me up calculator tells you exactly how much of each item to add no matter how much you're making. @Vape?

 

[tj99959]

Ugh... sorry to hear about your father and what you went through. Mine wasn't a doctor, but he was (is) quite an a--, himself. I left home at 18, and that was that... things are a little better now, but it took a lot of years to get to the point where we can actually hold a conversation together.

You're lucky, my dad never held conversations with anyone ... he just "told".
And, was quick to remind you of something you did wrong ..... 20 years ago.

 

[Kaezziel]

You're lucky, my dad never held conversations with anyone ... he just "told".
And, was quick to remind you of something you did wrong ..... 20 years ago.

Yeah, mine does that a lot, too... but I think he's finally starting to realize that there are things that I actually do know more about than he does. I'm just glad that we've reconciled a lot of the tension that used to stay between us. I don't know how many more years he has, and I'd like to have an actual adult relationship with him, with less of the father/son dynamic. The last few times that he drove through here, we went out together and had a couple beers... that was pretty nice.

 

[Kaezziel]

thanks hun. Jup it did knock me out. I was waiting on them to give me the happy juice, and was certain I'd been awake and aware of what was going on. I was certainly uncomfortable from laying on my stomach and aware of that. They really oughta make boob holes in them tables! hehehe Then someone hollered my name and said it's done. I thought........what's done? Then they hollered my name and told me to roll over onto the bed they had beside the table. For reals?? No idea I'd even gotten the happy juice. she wasn't sure, but thought it was a combo of fentanyl, versed and propofol. Not even really and hangover cept a bit of a headache. Some pain in my hip even after the vicodin today, but really not feeling too bad at all. Other pain has been greatly reduced! This was certainly nicer than getting 8 injections, 4 on each side with no anesthesia like I did 3 times before!

So glad that they were actually able to give you some relief and did it with happy juice this time! How long do the injections usually last? Will you get a couple of weeks, or a month's worth of relief from them?

 

[LittleBird]

@Debadoo, I'm so happy that the injections worked, this time around! I can't imagine living with chronic pain . Too funny that you were anesthesized, Reo in hand! Did ja wake up with it in hand, too?

@Vape?, some places sell pre-mixed PG/VG/nic where you specify not only nic level but also average flavoring percent. That way, the juice will end up at your desired nic level after flavoring is added. As others have said, however, it's not the most cost effective way to buy. It's efficient (if you know your average flavoring, or if you want a lower nic level in your final product), but definitely more expensive. Nude Nicotine offers this. I've used it, and it's good.

@Kenna, not trying to be argumentative... I've stored batts for a year (in the fridge, in their boxes, in food saver bags) with no degradation that I could discern. My problem is remembering that I have batts stored! Last week, I had to ditch two batts. Somehow, I discharged them to the point of no return. Couldn't tell you how, but I did. Yikes!

@Kaezziel, we don't know what we'd do or how we'd react until we're in the thick of things. I suspect you'd react with lots of grace and with the same generous spirit your bride displays. You've done exactly that, for years!

Prayers for all in Matthew's path. It looks like the storm weakened a bit, but it's still a very scary thing! Be safe!

 

[Bea-FL]

@Debadoo i'm glad to hear it worked out so well for you and the pain is better. With doctors you'd think the "above all do no harm" would be indelibly inked in their brains but so many forget it. That is so funny you held your Reo through the whole thing - sort of a security blanket. My provari seems to be in my hand most of my waking hours.

@Kaezziel I'm happy for you that you are able to have a semi-nice relationship with your father. Unfortunately there was no way for that to happen with me. My father was both a physical and emotional abuser to both his children. A brilliant man as a physician but a sorry excuse for a human being.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

@Debadoo , Not that either is very secure, but the situation was government-oriented. It really just goes back to realizing that what we type, may not be received in the same way, and may need clarification. Some people don't like to be asked to clarify or expound on something. Rare, but it happens.

On another note; my wife has back problems and compounded by Fibromyalgia. One day at a time.

 

[Iffy]

The weird thing is that I've heard that a lot of them put the patients under a twilight anesthesia for nerve blocks... wouldn't that make it so that the patient can't really give any imput? Then it'd just be the doctor guessing.

For my surgery, got a lil' 'cocktail' prior to the nerve block, no pokin' pain. Apparently they got the location right in that I felt great (aka no pain) for 'bout two hours after I got home.

But then I had pain like never before. Apparently they underestimated the dosage and lead time for my post-nerve block event. Even though I had to take meds prior to discharge, my nurse daughter had to call the doc twice to up my meds. Still wound up goin' to the ER at two in da morn to 'get relief'.

Note, I have two things that work against me; low pain threshold and high pain med tolerance. My bride is the opposite, thankfully! I'm very near the bottom of the PTH scale...

Deba, so glad you got some relief!

The eJMU program does compute for flavoring base (VG and/or PG) within it's calculations!


Matthew's eye has thankfully skirted our eastern coastline. Now best wishes/hopes for Jacksonville, GA and SC!

 

[Kaezziel]

[USER=217248]@Kaezziel, we don't know what we'd do or how we'd react until we're in the thick of things. I suspect you'd react with lots of grace and with the same generous spirit your bride displays. You've done exactly that, for years![/USER]

You're far too kind. I'm a whiny wimp any time that I so much as get a headache!

@Kaezziel I'm happy for you that you are able to have a semi-nice relationship with your father. Unfortunately there was no way for that to happen with me. My father was both a physical and emotional abuser to both his children. A brilliant man as a physician but a sorry excuse for a human being.

I'm sorry, Bea. I certainly agree that not everyone is suited to being a parent. Unfortunately, there are no qualification tests for that. It's merely luck and genetics. I believe that my Bride and I would have made wonderful parents, but due to circumstances outside of our control, that just wasn't possible for us. And then you read stories in the papers about how an infant was found crying in a dumpster... Such a shame, really.

 

[Kaezziel]

For my surgery, got a lil' 'cocktail' prior to the nerve block, no pokin' pain. Apparently they got the location right in that I felt great (aka no pain) for 'bout two hours after I got home.

But then I had pain like never before. Apparently they underestimated the dosage and lead time for my post-nerve block event. Even though I had to take meds prior to discharge, my nurse daughter had to call the doc twice up to my meds. Still wound up goin' to the ER at two in da morn to 'get relief'.

Note, I have two things that work against me; low pain threshold and high pain med tolerance. My bride is the opposite, thankfully! I'm very near the bottom of the PTH scale...

Deba, so glad you got some relief!

The eJMU program does compute for flavoring base (VG and/or PG) within it's calculations!


Matthew's eye has thankfully skirted our eastern coastline. Now best wishes/hopes for Jacksonville, GA and SC!

Sounds like we're a lot alike, Iffy. Low tolerance for pain; high tolerance to meds. I broke my right hand several years ago and had to have pins put in to put it back together. I was poppin' vicodin like skittles... 2 pills every 8 hours on the dot... and they weren't much more effective than advil.

Then, you have my bride, who seems more like yours. Six hours after getting off of the operating table (for a 11.5 hour surgery), she was up and walking through the hall in the hospital because she just couldn't lay there any more! She had somewhere around 30 staples in her torso, holding her together, and she wanted to go for a friggin' walk! You couldn't have pried my .... offa that bed with a hydraulic jack...

 

[Debadoo]

How long do the injections usually last? Will you get a couple of weeks, or a month's worth of relief from them?

typically 2-3 months.

@Debadoo, I'm so happy that the injections worked, this time around! I can't imagine living with chronic pain . Too funny that you were anesthesized, Reo in hand! Did ja wake up with it in hand, too?

thanks darlin. I musta not explained the reo part well. They took my glasses and my reo when they put me belly down on the table. But I had it when they put the IV in, and when they gave me the first few syringes of some kinda make ya a lil bit dizzy stuff. But not for the happy juice.

(in the fridge, in their boxes, in food saver bags)

ahhhh well I didn't have mine in the fridge or in the food saver bags....... but they didn't do much better than the ones I'd been using for 3.5 years.

Prayers for all in Matthew's path. It looks like the storm weakened a bit, but it's still a very scary thing! Be safe!

JUP! Gracie just posted on BP that they had a mandatory evac and are hunkered down with her son and his family. And that she spoke with Matt, and he and Doree are in a campground in SC and are fine and will head out tomorrow for Fla. Ken has checked in and is fine, so hoping Susan is also since he's not too far from her. Time for @robino and @classwife to check in. hope y'all are fine. I know Robin lives on the east side, not certain bout classy.

@Debadoo i'm glad to hear it worked out so well for you and the pain is better.

thanks darlin!

@Debadoo , Not that either is very secure, but the situation was government-oriented. It really just goes back to realizing that what we type, may not be received in the same way, and may need clarification. Some people don't like to be asked to clarify or expound on something. Rare, but it happens.

On another note; my wife has back problems and compounded by Fibromyalgia. One day at a time.

gotchya on the govt oriented. But yeah none of it is secure these days. Sounds odd to think a land line is your best bet now probably, and many folks don't have those anymore. Sorry to hear about your wife. Jup I have fibromyalgia too so that compounds the pain. Lots of things wrong in my spine.

But then I had pain like never before. Apparently they underestimated the dosage and lead time for my post-nerve block event. Even though I had to take meds prior to discharge, my nurse daughter had to call the doc twice up to my meds. Still wound up goin' to the ER at two in da morn to 'get relief'.

Note, I have two things that work against me; low pain threshold and high pain med tolerance. My bride is the opposite, thankfully! I'm very near the bottom of the PTH scale...

Deba, so glad you got some relief!

Dang darlin.......what had happened to you that they were doing the nerve block anyhow? I have a somewhat high pain tolerance, but also unfortunately, a high tolerance to pain meds also.

You couldn't have pried my .... offa that bed with a hydraulic jack...

roflmao!!!

 

[seminolewind]

Morning. Just a lot of wind and rain here. Not bad. Didn't lose power.

I'd like to hear more about the Florida reunion you all had. Where was it held?
I remember years ago I was in a forum for "Celexa" and the group of us met in Las Vegas. One lady actually flew from GB. Then a year later we all met in NYC and it was fun. I think it's been about 12 years ago and I still keep in touch with 1 person.

 

[classwife]

All has been just fine here