Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

[kross8]

trying to plan a flight to California next spring.
worried about my vape stuff. all 18650 battery style.. i can limit myself to just 1 mod if need be. i assume i can get eliquid from ????/gas station.

i thought about buying/making ejuice and mailing it to my son,, wondered the same for my mods... and using a battery supplier to mail the batteries.

i can already see a layover is going to be a pita.---unless i can take a 'cigalike' style vape pen on the plane (carry on)

any words of wisdom?

 

[BreSha6869]

trying to plan a flight to California next spring.
worried about my vape stuff. all 18650 battery style.. i can limit myself to just 1 mod if need be. i assume i can get eliquid from ????/gas station.

i thought about buying/making eJuice and mailing it to my son,, wondered the same for my mods... and using a battery supplier to mail the batteries.

i can already see a layover is going to be a pita.---unless i can take a 'cigalike' style vape pen on the plan (carry on)

any words of wisdom?

I just carried my stuff on the plane. I made sure there was very little juice in my tank.

Extra juice was in my checked bag. 8 flights since this March (Canada to US) and no problems at all. The security folks seem to be used to seeing mods/tanks.

Extra 18650s were also in my carryon.

 

[herb]

thanks But my phone has no service to it, so I don't know if I can. However I put a lovely background on the phone many years ago when I got it that looks a little similar to this. I do use the phone sort of as a pdf. addy book, calendar, a few apps that can be used without service, like my scripture app etc.

67 now. I actually had to put long pants on and a 3/4 sleeve shirt earlier today, I wuz freezin!!


wondered what kind those were. Might make me look like a guy with long hair, but I don't care. Would love to have some of those and some cargo shorts. I hate carrying a purse. And the only thing in my purse, that I couldn't carry with that combination is my handicap parking permit. well, I could but it would probably be stickin up outta a back pocket.


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what pg/vg ratio do you vape, and what nic level. Wondering if that has to do with why you like the cherry blossom tea so much and legs hated it so bad, or if it's just different tastey buds, like how legs likes the baker flavor strawberry so much and Matt couldn't stand it.


yay!!! Glad you found a good place to get em!


my kinda girl! lol


lmao! Jup


oh wow........ I can imagine you wish you had. Awful nice thing to do, but those were definitely personal memories.


not in my vape.......only in foods. But then I don't like more savory or heady vapes too much.


awwwwwwww how wonderful!


Jup it's amazing how many $$ we lit on fire and burned up.


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Good!!!


Oh you have to!!! I always felt a little guilty smokin at the beach. Well, most of that was done in Galveston and the beaches were already nasty, but woulda felt real guilty smokin on the beautiful beaches in FLA, but not a twinge of guilt vaping there. Just so peaceful and relaxing!


My dream to see IRL Humpbacks are one of my favorite whales.


well Bea beat me to it with Hawaii, but I will specify Oahu. Never been there, but from watching shows about some of the other islands can vary a lot more in temps, but Oahu seems to stay right around 70 all the time. And.........when you move there.....take me with you please!! "no one" will mind


dunno.......looks purdy danged freezin to death to me!


Excellent!! So proud of you!!! and actually proud of him! Rare to find a doc that can be humble these days, even if they are humiliated into it.


Welcome to the porch! Glad to have you here! But I disagree with this. If it's painfully obvious to lay people, I would certainly by now expect most physicians to have at least a decent knowledge of vaping since smoking is one of the biggest killers there is, and vaping is helping more people quit than any other cessation product. It's been out long enough for them to have at least researched it somewhat rather than simply regurgitating pseudo science articles. The problem is (I believe), they're too afraid to recommend it due to malpractice, and I would not be at all surprised if they aren't intimidated by the FDA if they came out strongly allianced with vaping. There are some who recommend it to their patients, including a pulmonologist (lung doctor) that my sil went to before he retired. Her new one isn't as enlightened. I fired a resident who told me he hated to burst my bubble but vaping was just as bad. I told him I hated to burst his bubble, but I am doing actual field research of a sort every day here on ECF where I have heard many hundreds of stories of lung function improvement, (including my own) of folks who couldn't walk a block that are now running......chest xrays that show remarkable improvement (even though a respiratory therapist friend of mine is certain that lungs do not recover). Folks who were extreme COPD that now aren't. etc. And that if I could learn this......he certainly could....... and I expected him to do some research on it himself, rather than regurgitating JAMA or some other BS publications of false science on the subject. I then told my next doctor what I'd told him and that is was the reason I wouldn't see the other guy more than that one time. The new guy was also a resident, but admitted he knew little about vaping, but would be researching it, and the little he did know made him feel it was a much safer thing than smoking.


jup and that is the only "testing" I've heard that connected formaldehyde with vaping.


I can.......but it was my fault, I forgot to squonk. I do that sometimes, but I'm about a nano second into the hit when I realize it, so I stop and squonk. Have only had two really bad ones.


don't try to figure it out hun, it's all about money, not logic. People are sheeple and the FDA is so in bed with BT and BP and BP makes NO money at all from vaping, so it has to be demonized. Bottom line! In Britain with socialized medicine, money is not a factor in the equation. shock of shocks, they've come out heavily in support of vaping.


what caused it to fire though? was it a tube mech that sits on it's fire button?


you've been here a long time, and I don't think you've ever done that hun.

You are welcome to disagree with me but i stand by exactly what i said about it being much too early for most physicians to know about the health consequences of vaping .

The vaping industry doesn't even know this information for Christ sake . Ten to twenty years from now i will take your side but not this early.

 

[misswish1]

trying to plan a flight to California next spring.
worried about my vape stuff. all 18650 battery style.. i can limit myself to just 1 mod if need be. i assume i can get eliquid from ????/gas station.

i thought about buying/making eJuice and mailing it to my son,, wondered the same for my mods... and using a battery supplier to mail the batteries.

i can already see a layover is going to be a pita.---unless i can take a 'cigalike' style vape pen on the plane (carry on)

any words of wisdom?

Be sure to take the batteries out of your mods. You can carry them in those battery cases in your carry-on. Cigalike is a good idea, too.

 

[DavidOck]

There's nothing in the deeming that says a vape shop can't teach someone how to do something. Teaching them is not the same thing as doing it for them.

Well, yeah, you know that, and I know that, but I'll bet the FuDA disagrees.

From their site: Commonly Asked Questions: About the Center for Tobacco Products

How can a vape shop be considered a manufacturer?

Vape shops that mix, prepare, or combine liquid nicotine and other components of tobacco products meet the definition of a "tobacco product manufacturer" under the law, and are therefore subject to the same legal requirements as all other tobacco product manufacturers.

(Bolding mine.)

Since they have deemed batteries a tobacco product facepalm putting them into a mod makes the vendor a manufacturer. Putting juice into a tank - and god forbid you build and install a coil for them! - you've just modified the "system" and are a manufacturer.

Yeah, if I show someone, using gear and supplies that I personally own, maybe not (but it IS the FuDa, so who knows??). But then I'd have to own what they're buying for it to be truly relevant.

 

[grandmato5]

Well, yeah, you know that, and I know that, but I'll bet the FuDA disagrees.

From their site: Commonly Asked Questions: About the Center for Tobacco Products

How can a vape shop be considered a manufacturer?

Vape shops that mix, prepare, or combine liquid nicotine and other components of tobacco products meet the definition of a "tobacco product manufacturer" under the law, and are therefore subject to the same legal requirements as all other tobacco product manufacturers.

(Bolding mine.)

Since they have deemed batteries a tobacco product facepalm putting them into a mod makes the vendor a manufacturer. Putting juice into a tank - and god forbid you build and install a coil for them! - you've just modified the "system" and are a manufacturer.

Yeah, if I show someone, using gear and supplies that I personally own, maybe not (but it IS the FuDa, so who knows??). But then I'd have to own what they're buying for it to be truly relevant.

That doesn't say anything about "showing" someone what to do with their vaping products or teaching them (by verbally talking to them) how to do something.

Yes, if a vendor took a mechanical mod, and placed a battery in it and then sold that as a single unit that would qualify them as a manufacturer.

If a customer ask where does my battery go? There would be no problem with a vendor taking that mechanical and unscrewing it, and showing them where the battery goes. They could even go as far as putting a battery in to show them and then talking it back out. Key here is that they didn't put it together as a unit (manufacturer it) and sell it that way. They didn't leave the battery in for any reason so no, they did not assemble(manufacturer) anything for the customer to purchase. Simply "showed" the customer how they would be doing it after purchase.

 

[Iffy]

There's nothing in the deeming that says a vape shop can't teach someone how to do something. Teaching them is not the same thing as doing it for them.

Ummm, very sure I've read otherwise on da forums re topics such as coil building and wicking. And no, I don't 'member where and currently too involved wid RL to search fer relative posts. Maybe later...

Don't mean to be rude nor dismissive, .... I'm assisting my bride wid her prep for tomorrow's colonoscopy... plus vapin' my azz off...

You are welcome to disagree with me but i stand by exactly what i said about it being much too early for most physicians to know about the health consequences of vaping .

The vaping industry doesn't even know this information for Christ sake . Ten to twenty years from now i will take your side but not this early.

Don't think it's so much of da matter of disagreement. It's just dat many, if not almost all of us here, are experiencing a higher quality of life/health improvements; not counting da black & white individual lab tests/x-rays results!

Have no idea, beyond my personal health improvements, if I procreate another offspring if there will be birth issues, or whether I'll go blind before my time, or start to crave white vinegar. But being 69 yy, check in wid me in ten or twenty years...

 

[MikeE3]

trying to plan a flight to California next spring.
worried about my vape stuff. all 18650 battery style.. i can limit myself to just 1 mod if need be. i assume i can get eliquid from ????/gas station.

i thought about buying/making eJuice and mailing it to my son,, wondered the same for my mods... and using a battery supplier to mail the batteries.

i can already see a layover is going to be a pita.---unless i can take a 'cigalike' style vape pen on the plane (carry on)

any words of wisdom?

My wife and I travel w/ at least 3 mods each when flying. No need to resort to cgi-a-likes. Some w/ built in batts, some w/ 18650's. I don't bother taking the batts out of the mod. For mods packed in my carry-on luggage I do turn them off. Spare batteries are in the carry on luggage stored in those plastic batt cases. We each take 60 ml of juice on the plane w/ us and more in our checked luggage.

Leaking ... if I don't empty the tanks, I at least wrap a tissue around the tank. I've tried flying w/ full tanks and 1/2 empty tanks ... I usually always loose some juice. If the tank has a juice control I turn it off, that seems to help.

Somewhere on ECF I read about on take off turn your mods upside down and pressure change will push air out not juice. It was said you don't have to do this on landing for some reason. I've had some success doing this. But still a crap shoot.

We travel a couple few times a year on Southwest. Never had any issues at security. Well once I did, but that's because I forgot to take my Leatherman out of my carry on case. It cost me 10 bucks to mail it home.

 

[seminolewind]

I just flew to Texas and back. The rules were no batteries in your checked in luggage. So they have to be with you. With my ejuice, it went in my baggy for liquids. The vaper product I was using was intact and was in a pouch around my neck.

If you look up your airline, you can find the rules.

 

[kross8]

good info thanks........i will aim for darn near empty on my traveling mods and plan on small refills at layovers.---thanks,, huge relief for me

 

[kross8]

I just flew to Texas and back. The rules were no batteries in your checked in luggage. So they have to be with you. With my ejuice, it went in my baggy for liquids. The vaper product I was using was intact and was in a pouch around my neck.

If you look up your airline, you can find the rules.

i figured the planes dont like the batteries in the cargo area with shifting air pressure issues. all of you have been a great help-thanks

 

[herb]

Ummm, very sure I've read otherwise on da forums re topics such as coil building and wicking. And no, I don't 'member where and currently too involved wid RL to search fer relative posts. Maybe later...

Don't mean to be rude nor dismissive, .... I'm assisting my bride wid her prep for tomorrow's colonoscopy... plus vapin' my azz off...




Don't think it's so much of da matter of disagreement. It's just dat many, if not almost all of us here, are experiencing a higher quality of life/health improvements; not counting da black & white individual lab tests/x-rays results!

Have no idea, beyond my personal health improvements, if I procreate another offspring if there will be birth issues, or whether I'll go blind before my time, or start to crave white vinegar. But being 69 yy, check in wid me in ten or twenty years...

There is no question about health improvements happening after stopping real cigarettes . I have strong reservations about the choices people make when choosing their juice.

I am not one of those who believes all e cig juices have much lower levels of diketones in them than real cigarettes.

The famous "Five Pawns" juices showed to have levels that exceeded those of real cigarettes & with thousands of e juice company's out there i am not gullible enough to believe they are the only one.

Any respiratory issues that may be shown to be an issue in the distant future will never be called "Popcorn lung" it will be related more to COPD and other respiratory diseases .

Many medical professionals believe it's the diketones in cigarettes that are a big contributing factor for respiratory issues.

With people consuming MUCH more juice than ever before with sub ohm and high wattage it's a concern .

If i was in my 20's and 30's i wouldn't care but at my age and living dangerously when younger i am paying for some of those decisions now with health issues.

I vape diketone free juices as much as i can to eliminate as much possible risk as possible

To each their own though

 

[Semiretired]

too early for most physicians to know about the health consequences of vaping

I will guarantee you that they will find something somewhere that shows ecigs affect your health. We discussed this in a fair depth in another thread. There are so many variables being used in vaping that pinpointing individual causes could take some time.

Personally I have reduced as many variables as possible with my vaping. I vape at a low voltage/wattage, I use minimal flavoring (generally less than 2% and in many cases less than 1%), I only vape 3 - 4ml a day, etc. I don't use any flavors that have been known to crack tanks, I don't use any flavors that have known bad elements in them. There are many others doing the same thing.

Our bodies are resilient and the studies that have been done to date point towards our body processing vaping materials efficiently enough to reduce side effects, but as we vape more and more is this sustainable? Who knows. No long term studies have been done yet. And no I do not have a study to let you read to back up what I am saying - My statement is an accumulation of posts, articles, studies, etc. that I have read here through ECF and through my own Googling efforts.

I do know I feel better, I do know that I don't huff and puff anymore, I do know that I use less medication (not sure this one is vaping related), I do know I don't smell like an ashtray anymore, I do know that my wife is not kissing an ashtray anymore and you know what - I Do Know That I Am Never Going Back To Cigarettes...

 

[Iffy]

Ummm, very sure I've read otherwise on da forums re topics such as coil building and wicking.

Been thinkin' 'bout dat deeming aspect. You're probably right. I might have been rememberin' a state(s) restriction(s).
Maybe I'll run across dose posts at sum point...

 

[LittleBird]

I'm going to forget stuff. I know I am. But I couldn't bring myself to quote while reading 9 pages, so here goes...

@FlamingoTutu, Yes, you answered my question. I don't like the answer, but you did answer it. I'm just going to trust that you'll monitor closely, and will take immediate action if the mini strokes continue. Cuz we love you.

@kross8, the only thing I'd add is to look closely at your building supplies, if you intend to carry on. TSA isn't fond of sharp pointy stuff.

@MikeE3, Dang! You were in SC? Dang!!!

@garyoa1, it's surprising how many people fought single payer. Lobbyists, I understand. But the general population also was having none of it. Full disclosure: I support the ACA. I'm not thrilled with its implementation, and it's expensive (as all insurance is. Just that employer contributions offset a significant percentage), but at least everyone can get health insurance. Off soapbox and will drop the subject before I get myself into trouble!

@Kaezziel, I couldn't like your post. In fact, I really dislike your post. She needs to start that trial protocol, like, weeks ago! I know you're weary. We will lift you up.

@kad2371, La Jolla or San Diego. Micro climate. Lows of 65-68; highs of 74-78. All year round. There's just one small issue: both cities are in CA.

@Kenna, I'm craving fruit pies and coffee vapes. Ima try a mocha cappuccino for the cold weather.

I don't remember who talked about B&Ms not being able to help. They can help, as long as it's show and tell with their own device (not the customer's). Of course, that doesn't do the customer much good if the customer is purchasing a tootle puffing starter kit and the employee is a cloud chaser!

I do like purses, but I'm really picky. Has to be very lightweight, must be cross body, must have an outside pocket (mod goes there), and can't be very big. That's a tall order, lemme tell ya!

 

[2legsshrt]

I don't use any flavors that have known bad elements in them.

I only vape Russian flavors and I'm sure the Russians would never put anything bad in them. That's a yoke but I only use them at 2% so how much bad can there be. I know the flavors that have diacetyl in them and the percentage which is pretty low but they publish the ones that do and the % and if I am only using 2% of that flavoring plus 3% nic and 50/50 mix it can't be much surely not like working in a popcorn factory. But I do use 2 of the flavors that have it in them. Not often plus I only vape in TC at 410F using about 12w and my lungs have stopped getting worse in fact my lung function is better. I know the whole thing is so blown out of proportion but then there are those that vape at 115w and blow huge clouds and that could possibly do some harm IDK but I've also heard that the guys that do that vape nearly 100% VG with very little if any flavor or nic it's just for show.

 

[Bolivar]

After smoking 30-40 cigarettes a day for 45 years, I could probably smoke old tires wrapped in burlap and it wouldn't be as bad for me as cigarettes were.

I'm not worrying about it. If the doctor don't like it, he can kiss me where the good Lord split me.

 

[BreSha6869]

...old tires wrapped in burlap....

I think I bought that flavour at a local B&M once. Wasn't a fan.

 

[Kenna]

I think I bought that flavour at a local B&M once. Wasn't a fan.

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] Patooie! Spit! Spit!

 

[seminolewind]

@LittleBird, You're describing purses that I look at or buy on Ebay, Coach, used, like new. Great prices and habit forming.