Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four
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Do take advantage of that offer, as while we're all able and willing to give what suggestions we can, having stuff in hand can often be more helpful than virtual stabs in the dark! And keeping off smokes is the goal, getting the gear to do it is highly personal and variable.
I'm with Kenna on that, 24 for now. And as Bells says, if too much, you'll know quickly, temporary shakes and flushed feeling. Stop vaping and it's gone in short order. (Then just dilute it with the same or compatible flavor of less nic, or even with just straight PG or VG so you don't have to waste the high nic juice.)
I've been afraid to go up that high, it's good, as I'm using 0% menthol to dilute my original stock of eliquid. Just doesn't taste good with some flavours. I ordered 24 before I realised you have to cut it way back for sub ohm. It'll be nice to use it straight up for my tastebuds. Maybe. Some of the flavours I've tried aren't so good
Being shown how to use the settings is the best news. And while her stock will be limited, she's gone from running a shop to working from home, it'll greatly reduce my stress levels about safe usage. I don't know if chain vaping is the result of too little nicotine, or just a continuation from having been a chain smoker.
There seem to be not so many sub ohm users here. Is there a reason?
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I don't sub. It's a fairly new "thing". I'm quite content where I am. Decent mod, decent tank, juice or 2 you like... I don't see the point.
Hard to say on that, since you say you were a chain smoker anyway, it could be either. But upping the nic could help you start away from that part of the old routine, should you wish to.
But many do find that too low a nic level will increase the frequency of vaping.
Sub ohm.... I don't. Tends to go through a LOT of juice in a hurry. Don't need the clouds, I get good flavor and nic tootling along. Battery charge lasts longer at lower power.
A good number of people here have tried sub ohming and said "what's the big deal about it"? Others like Gary are completely happy with what they're using and have stopped chasing every new thing that comes along.
Sub ohm vaping certainly depletes batteries faster than using higher resistance.
What good is more vapor if someone is already getting all the vapor they want from their existing setup?
Speaking of more vapor, you mentioned something about the draw being really tight on your device. If you're having to pull too hard, you're really not able to take advantage of any increase in vapor production anyway. Again, I'm not familiar with your device, but there are certainly devices out there which allow as much air through them as anyone could want. For example, the Aspire Nautilus is considered by some to be a great tank with sufficient air flow. I loved the Nautilus until I found the Kanger Subtank, which allows much more air through it than the Nautilus. Both the Nautilus and the Subtank allow you to adjust the air flow, but the greatest amount of air flow you can get with a Nautilus is less than the smallest amount of air flow you can get with a Subtank.
A larger diameter drip tip (mouthpiece) helps increase air flow also.
One day one, I put 24mg nic in my tank and took 3-4 draws. I sat the PV out of my line of sight. When I got a physical urge, I took 3-4 more draws and again put the PV out of my sight.
If I did 36mg, my "urge" would be farther apart. If my urge was telling me to vape every 10 minutes, I would lower the nic content.
Don't set it in front of you. Go by physical urges like a dry mouth, etc.
Trying to do other things like sub-ohming on day one just clouds the mission. Get stable on a level of nic. Don't worry about flavor, subbing, TC, just settle on your nic.
So, I got a Kayfun on the way from Vaporrange (gonna learn to rebuild coils).
I got a Provari 2.5 mini on the road from Provape.
Wizard Labs shipped my first order of DIY supplies yesterday (VG, PG, Flavors and mixing stuff).
Nude Nic is mixing and packaging my first order of nicotine.
And, I'm about to order Kanthal, wick material and a coil kit. And (this makes me really happy) I've just found out some of the bright folks here have learned to rebuild the 1.5 coils for my beloved e-leaf attys, and they are willing to teach me.
Life is good.
I got a Provari 2.5 mini on the road from Provape.
Wizard Labs shipped my first order of DIY supplies yesterday (VG, PG, Flavors and mixing stuff).
Nude Nic is mixing and packaging my first order of nicotine.
And, I'm about to order Kanthal, wick material and a coil kit. And (this makes me really happy) I've just found out some of the bright folks here have learned to rebuild the 1.5 coils for my beloved e-leaf attys, and they are willing to teach me.
Life is good.
That's where I am too. I just got a Subtank mini which I built with a stainless steel . 5 ohm coil. It's a nice vape, very flavorful and all, but, to me, no better than my normal 1.5 to 1.8 ohm kanthal coils. I use rayon in my Kayfuns/orchids/Taifuns, KGD cotton in my kangef bottom coil Evods/T3s/H2s. I also have tried temp control, but again, not better (to me) than my standard non subohm coils tootling along at 8-10 watts. I am happy with no desire for a cigarette for over 3 years. I get good battery life too. I started with 18mg nic, quickly went down to 12, and shortly after to 6mg, where I have been for years. Works for me!
PS, I use the 6 mg in my one subohm tank with no problems. As already stated, you will know if you are getting too much nic!
Just think how much money you are saving in following our advice. some of us have spent so much money on vapestuff that just wasn't right. Now you can dive in and get it right (hopefully) the first time, without throwing away (much) money.
You'll find that 24 mg will probably be too high for you to subohm. The symptoms have been mentioned, headache, flushing, shakes, nausea. If that happens stop vaping until all that goes away. And drink some water.
You can use your 6mg juices & up the nic by adding some of your 24mg juices to each tank. That would raise your nic level in each tank a bit. But some are able to use 24 mg in subohm & drippers. If she makes juices ask her to make you a bottle of unflavored 36 mg juice. You can use that to add to your bottles of 6mg to raise the nic level in those. It will dilute your flavor some, but it will raise the nic content. Add it in about 1ml increments till you find your sweet spot. That spot that you are satisfied. Part of chain vaping is because of your chain smoking habit. Raise your nic & don't think about how often you are vaping. Just ignore it, relax, & do what comes naturally. One day you'll suddenly realize that the chain vaping has slacked off. It will happen, just don't think about how often you vape.
What flavor juices do you have? Lots of us diy. We might be able to help you combine your 6 & 24 mg juices in a way that tastes good to you.
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One of the neat things about vaping is that usage is controlled by whether power is being supplied to the coil. When I was riding Amtrak a lot on long eastern seaboard trips a couple of years ago, I would get off to vape when a "smoke break" stop was announced, and I'd hang out with the smokers on the platform. When the conductor said "all aboard", the smokers would take quick drags to finish their cigarettes instead of wasting them. Me, I'd take one long slow pull, put my PV in my pocket and get back on the train.
I have no reason to vape less, so putting my PV out of sight or out of easy reach is not something I have any reason to do. For a relatively new vaper, I recommend having your drip tip in your mouth as often as you formerly had a cigarette there.
There are as many individual methods of vaping as there are individuals who vape.
I have no reason to vape less, so putting my PV out of sight or out of easy reach is not something I have any reason to do. For a relatively new vaper, I recommend having your drip tip in your mouth as often as you formerly had a cigarette there.
There are as many individual methods of vaping as there are individuals who vape.
I agree with that and I think the subtank kit would be a good choice for you Vale? with it you could try above subohm gaping to see if would work for you if not you can subohm with it.
I didn't know what ohms even were when I bought my first kit ten weeks ago. And I understand resistance only in basic terms. My first device died young of threading issues, I bought all bloody vaporfi backup products after that happened, just in case another went. Realised my tanks get super hot, but too late to return. Takes weeks for shipping from us. Not to mention cost of stocking up.
So if it's not a noticeable difference in throat hit, I wouldn't care, sub ohm or no. My big need is the face to face run through tutorial with someone who knows what they're doing to get an adjustable model.
Ashamed to admit it, but I walk around with the thing in my hand. Probably left over from my smoking days. That was a lot of helpful info, folks. It just hasn't caught on here yet. A few younger ones in the city, but I have not met any other vapers, nor seen it, here on the island. So il take a road trip to see this vendor, and pick something out, and have her show me how to toggle the buttons.
You're right about finding my nicotine level, and simplifying the whole business. Thanks, one f these days it'll sink in and I'll get it.
So if it's not a noticeable difference in throat hit, I wouldn't care, sub ohm or no. My big need is the face to face run through tutorial with someone who knows what they're doing to get an adjustable model.
Ashamed to admit it, but I walk around with the thing in my hand. Probably left over from my smoking days. That was a lot of helpful info, folks. It just hasn't caught on here yet. A few younger ones in the city, but I have not met any other vapers, nor seen it, here on the island. So il take a road trip to see this vendor, and pick something out, and have her show me how to toggle the buttons.
You're right about finding my nicotine level, and simplifying the whole business. Thanks, one f these days it'll sink in and I'll get it.
I chain vaped when I first started because that was how I smoked. I'm retired and had an office set up in my garage. I didn't smoke in the house but lived in the garage. I always had a cig going when I was in the garage. When I started vaping I vaped in the house. My daughter lives with me and the vaping does not affect her at all. Oh wait, there is one flavor that I vape, a store made juice, and it always reminds her of my waffles. It is the only one she has ever commented on. I always have my vape in my hand or right next to me. When I first quit smoking, I was using a Nautilus with I think a 1.5 coil and used 24mg nic. I used 24mg unflavored juice for quite a while. I then dropped to 18mg unflavored juice. I stayed at 18mg until I got my first sub ohm tank. When I started sub ohm, I started using 6mg nic. I did lower it to 3mg, however, I soon found that I wasn't sleeping well along with a few other things. Since raising my nic level back up the 6mg, I have been sleeping better and I'm not as edgy.
I am a Mouth To Lung (MTL) vaper. I don't remember when I started sub ohm but it was sometime soon after I got my Kanger subtank. I have a few of them and I also have a couple Herakles. All I have are either .2 or .5 coils and they are all good for MTL. I tried Temperature Control (TC) for a while. I have 2 eVic VT mods with eGo Mega tanks that I was using for TC. At first, I liked them, however, the mods soon started dropping out of TC mode back to watts mode. I gave up on TC and started using the eVic mods for my Kanger subtanks and are good for sub ohm.
A month or so ago I picked up a Jaybo Wismec RX200 and some .2 Ni200 TC coils for my Black Herakles and now I am really enjoying TC vaping. To me, it is a cooler smoother vape and the flavor is very pleasing. I admit I have gotten bit by the Shinyitis bug and spent more than I should have, but I am ready for the end times. It has taken a while, but I am very comfortable with my vaping and I have no desire to go back to smoking.
I've honestly felt bad that you're having such a tough experience, @Vape?. I was so lucky to have a lady at a local store set me up with a very simple and satisfying iStick Basic where all I had to do was fill it up with juice, hit the button and enjoy the delicious juice she mixed for me. All the things she steered me away from like controlling temperature and fine tuning a device are the very things you've been dealing with and struggling to learn for weeks now. I would be the same, I assure you.
But, you know what's incredible? Even with all the aggravation you've had to put up with, you still gave up the smokes. If you're like me, you're pretty proud of yourself, and you should be. You're in the middle of this conundrum now, so don't give up and go back to smoking whatever you do. I still wish you could get your hands on a nice All-in-One device just to take the pressure off for a little while.
Good luck, and keep coming here for advice and just general conversation about vaping. These nice folks know what they're talking about.
ETA: Oh, and the chain vaping? Don't worry about that. That's another great piece of advice the lady at the store gave me: Don't worry about how much you vape or how much nicotine you are getting right now. The only thing that matters when you start out is doing whatever it takes to quit smoking. Everything else will iron itself out with time.
Thats where I started. Got it from a place in Texas didn't seem that strong to me then. Now I'd probably pass out. I'm thinking now that I am uping my juice to 7mg I would like to get the throat hit but think I would have to go to 10 or 12. I do find that I get a throat hit off of my nautilus at 7mg but with Ti it is smoooth. Might wrap a Kanthal coil and give it a try. Thats one thing about Ti I've noticed is it brings the flavors through a lot better then Kanthal but not the nic. I did turn the temp up a little and it made a diff. I do hit my wifes little Istick TC40 once in a while with 12mg in it and another Nautilus and it definately packs a throat hit. Those darn Nautilus's are really a good tank no matter how old or long they been around. Busardo still rates them #1 for mouth to lungers. Another thing I've noticed is how much faster my Provari with the Nautilus goes through batteries. I am using a 1.8 head at 5.5v and one day if I'm lucky. My SX's with Ti will go 2 easy.
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