There's more idiots in this world than those with common sense... Therefore, I don't follow the norm.
If you see vapor or you see smoke, it is hard to tell the difference, and people know damn well this is the reaction they are garnering when they vape in no smoking areas. If not, then someone needs to check themselves in for some "special" schooling.
It is not hard to tell the difference to anyone who wishes to tell the difference. I would be more than happy to teach them if they're having problems with it. Do you live your life according to what misinformed people might think about some particular action? Oh, please, no hot coffee for me after dinner, someone might see the steam and think I was smoking.
It is, because it sends the same message: "I'm an ...... and I can do it, even if it pisses you off because I'm not smoking, even though you think so, so ha!" Fricken immature and lame. I'm mean really, how pathetic do you have to be to not walk 5 feet to a door out of courtesy?
Blowing smoke in a kid's face is what it is. It's assault AFAIC. But by your logic, pointing a finger at someone is the same as threatening to shoot them. So, don't do it lest some hysterical ninny have a conniption.
You aren't going to die if you don't have a vape. Bad analogy to say the least.
No, but your actions are being dictated by the lowest common denominator. You advocate that I go out of my way to accommodate the possibility that someone might think I'm doing something I'm not.
If there are rules against it, or if someone objects on some logical, rational, reasonable, or factual basis, I would refrain.
It has nothing to do with what YOU think, and has everything to do with what BUSINESS OWNERS and THEIR CUSTOMERS perceive. Common decency tells me if they don't like tobacco users to spit on their floors, then maybe I shouldn't do it, even if it's bubble gum in my mouth. Where is the common sense here? It's prideful arrogance, and it's d-baggery.
So, what are you saying here? You'd spit on the floor if there was no rule against it?
Or, if there was a rule not to chew tobacco because you might spit on the floor, you would not chew gum because someone
might think you are chewing tobacco. That's basically the whole nut of your argument.
First off, common sense tells me that you don't spit on the floor period.
Second, never did I say I would defy a request to not SMOKE. Neither did I ever say to defy a proprietors rule not to VAPE. That was never the issue until you just now made it one.
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vapers who continue to conflate the two by their actions should not be surprised when the general public also makes no distinction and they find themselves treated exactly like a smoker.
I will vape unless or until I am requested by someone who has the right to ask me not to. I will not refrain from it simply because some ill informed bystander might think I'm smoking.
Go OUTSIDE! You don't own the private establishment, and it's not yours to decide what you can do in it. If I was the owner, I'd kick your .... to the curb as well. I could give a rat's patootie WHAT YOU THINK when it's my establishment's reputation you are putting at jeopardy.
I decide what I can do in it based on the rules of the establishment.
I'm not advocating defiance of some established rule.
Again, you changed the goalposts.
No one was discussing engaging in any action contrary to the rules of any establishment. But, you insist on interpreting a No Smoking rule as a No Vaping Rule in order to accommodate the sensibilities of some theoretical, uninformed anti-smoking zealot. Perhaps you could explain how an establishment's reputation is harmed by someone NOT breaking its rules.
Ejecting people for no reason is a different thing and could very well have an affect on your reputation. BTW, if you "kicked my .... to the curb" or otherwise laid a hand on me, I'd likely end up owning your establishment. Then you wouldn't have to worry about its reputation.
Or just be courteous to others feelings and opinions because we're half way civilized? Someone may be against smoking, not necessarily vocal about it, but have feelings because they have a loved one that died. Maybe someone doesn't want themselves or their kids to inhale nicotine vapor regardless of the amount... It really doesn't matter. If you can't walk 5 feet out of a store because your some kind of an arrogant ..., then I'd say someone's ego needs to be dropped a peg. Unfortunately, we aren't the only people on this earth, and our perceptions and feelings aren't the only ones that matter.
Yeah, well maybe my mother died from diabetes, so I'm going to insist that you not order dessert. I'm going to snatch all the sugar off the tables in the diner. Get real. My vapor affects someone else just about as much as your dessert affects my blood sugar level. If I don't know this, it's my problem, not yours.
If you want to stand in the rain, sucking up secondhand smoke with the lepers in order to avoid offending some hyper-sensitive hysteric, be my guest.
I respect the right for others to hold their own opinions. But, despite what Fox News would have you believe, not all opinions are equally valid and worthy of courtesy, respect or credence.
As someone once said, "Everyone has a right to their own opinion but not to their own facts".
Unless someone's opinion is reasonable or based on some fact, I don't feel the need to go out of my way to accommodate it or to subject myself to inconvenience in the name of respecting it.
I wouldn't blow my vapor into anyone's space, that's just common sense. If someone across the room insists they are getting poisoned, they would be wrong and I don't feel the need to act as if they were correct just to shield their feelings. Do you use gloves to open public doors? There are germophobes among us and, although they might not be vocal, I'm sure they would prefer that you did.
It's not even your obligation to be a civilized human being, but don't EXPECT respect when you don't respect others.
Again, you are wrong. It certainly IS my obligation to be a civilized human being and it's one I take seriously. But someone needs to learn the difference between being civilized and being obsequious. There is no virtue in bestowing respect upon ignorance by catering to it.
That was really reaching... Comparing RACISM to someone not wanting you to CHOOSE TO VAPE in their establishment? This is getting stupid... No, really. Are you for real?
Best analogy I could come up with off the top of my head. Better than your blowing smoke in a kid's face one anyway.
Besides, what is racism but another form of ignorance. It sounds absurd, but sitting at different tables is a choice that could be made to avoid "defying the establishment" in some places. So, to be consistent about it, that and not vaping are BOTH choices. And they are both choices that could be made by someone who is trying to "go along to get along" with people who hold ignorant, unjustified OPINIONS. Both actions could be taken to avoid "defying the establishment".
This is about BEHAVIOR. I feel no need to tailor my behavior to someone else's misperceptions. That doesn't make me a self centered attention ho the way you state in your post.
There are people who think all leather jacketed motorcyclists are outlaws. I don't kick their cars or ogle their teenage daughters. But should I only pass them 2 lanes away on the interstate so as not to upset their sensibilities? Should I wear nylon?
And again, please learn to read. NOWHERE did I ever say to defy a request or a rule not to vape. YOU insisted that someone who VAPED in a non SMOKING area was just some jerk defying establishment and trying to get attention. So, quit trying to change your original assertion midstream into something that makes sense.
Irrational? Like inflated self worth?....
You mean like the inflated self worth of someone who expects everyone else to accommodate, and act, according to the dictates of their ill-informed opinions?
I said it once and I'll say it again.
Vapers who continue to conflate, by their actions, smoking and vaping should not be surprised when the general public also makes no distinction between the two and they find themselves treated exactly like a smoker.
And the fact they did it in order not to "defy the establishment" isn't going to make one whit of difference.
