Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

[the_antisheep]

Why can't a company manufacture 'Stealth Carts'? Basically instead of PG or VG find another substance to carry the nicotine that isn't visible. I know some of you would likely balk at this idea, but, to others its a reasonable compromise. Obviously you would only use them in certain situations/areas.

The idea being that if all you are doing is sucking on a piece of plastic nobody can get upset about it. It may not even be possible, because I believe the PG/VG is what the nicotine is dissolved into. However, at some point down the road it seems feasible to me they could come up with a way to transport the nicotine via invisible or nearly invisible vapor.

Anyway, just a thought. I'm sure somebody or some company must have though of this before, must not be possible yet though.

I'd totally go for some Stealth Carts though, would come in handy for those rare occasions when I'm forced to travel outside of my house, lol.

BTW, apologies if somebody else mentioned this idea. I only read about halfway through this thread before posting. It's 24 pages! hehe

-Danyulc

+1, but I think it's done for the mental satisfaction of creating some sort of a visible reward, and for this crowd, it seems to be more about making a statement .

I'd say they should develop an invisible vapor for occasions where visible smoke could be misconstrued.

 

[sherid]

+1, but I think it's done for the mental satisfaction of creating some sort of a visible reward, and for this crowd, it seems to be more about making a statement .

I'd say they should develop an invisible vapor for occasions where visible smoke could be misconstrued.

There is one of those being marketed first in Europe before arriving in the US. www.rauchless.com

 

[the_antisheep]

There is one of those being marketed first in Europe before arriving in the US. www.rauchless.com

Very nice... As long as I can get a good throat hit, etc, without the actual visible vapor, I'd be good to go in any public place.

This doesn't mean I'd give up vapor production at home. I'm one of those that like the visible confirmation as long as it doesn't cause unnecessary attention.

 

[otrpu]

to open a bunch of vaping bars. Then allow anyone to enter, vaper or not. This would get the word out to a greater population of anti/non smokers that vaping doesn't stink, and isn't harmful to anybody except possibly the person doing the vaping. Risk is of course, soon as you do it, they'll ban the damn things.

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[the_antisheep]

to open a bunch of vaping bars. Then allow anyone to enter, vaper or not. This would get the word out to a greater population of anti/non smokers that vaping doesn't stink, and isn't harmful to anybody except possibly the person doing the vaping. Risk is of course, soon as you do it, they'll ban the damn things.

Cheers,
otrpu

Vaper bars would be great... Great way to meet people with similar "hobbies" too

 

[2fer]

Have to relate a most amusing incident recently. I am 65 and was with a group at a small restaurant on the Boston waterfront. We were tucked away in a corner so I decided to try some non-discreet vaping. No nasty looks or comments so I thought I was good to continue. Very quietly our young waiter leaned over and said, "Sir, if you want to puff on your one hitter, please do it upstairs instead of in the main room". Talk about ROFL!!! After a brief explanation of what it was I was doing he said "Oh, OK then" and that was the end of it.

I'm normally pretty discreet, but alcohol was involved....

 

[Danyulc]

LOL, I LOVE that bit about the one-hitter! I've used one in the past, but, I'd never dream of just busting one out in a restaurant. Although generally waiters are pretty drug savvy. It has become one of the few places you can get a job these days that is practically guaranteed not to drug test.

That is also interesting to hear about that company in Europe. I don't think smokeless carts/PV's would be the preferred method for very many smokers. However, I'd certainly like to have that option when I'm going places that I can't smoke/vape. Seems like an easier alternative to me than having to navigate the intricacies of where you can and can't vape. Though it's definitely more fun to blow out smoke than nothing at all. The one exception being when you're holding in a hit from your one-hitter and by the time you exhale the smoke is gone. That is pretty fun too right 2Fer? LOL.

-Danyulc

 

[Danyulc]

One last tidbit. The stock price for that company marketing the smoke free device is horribly low (SFIO.pk). It's a pink sheet stock right now, which in itself is not a bad thing being that its a smaller/upstart company. However, they're stock has gone from around .11 cents a share (1 year ago) to now being valued at 8/10ths of a single penny per share. So unless they start having some success pretty soon here I wouldn't hold your breath for their product to make it to U.S. shores. You'd probably die first.

Although, in May of 2009 the stock shot from .014 cents to .14 cents in one day. So that would've been a tidy little profit, lol. Apparently their was a press relase on the 12th of May that stated they began production. A total gamble at this point whether or not they'll ever get a jump like that again.


-Danyulc

 

[lukemacneil]

I completely disagree, I will vape wherever, whenever I want to.
Non Smokers have persecuted us long enough, and I for one am completely willing to tell them all to go to hell.

I don't care what it looks like I'm doing, and I don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

I've had enough, non smokers have had no problem making our lives completely miserable because of their ridiculousness. Now they have absolutely no reason to, and they'll have to deal with it, or the cops can carry me out screaming.

I suggest everyone else stand up and say we've had enough too, instead of falling in line to keep the peace. What we need is a good old fashion revolution.

 

[JustKryssi]

I completely disagree, I will vape wherever, whenever I want to.
Non Smokers have persecuted us long enough, and I for one am completely willing to tell them all to go to hell.

I don't care what it looks like I'm doing, and I don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

I've had enough, non smokers have had no problem making our lives completely miserable because of their ridiculousness. Now they have absolutely no reason to, and they'll have to deal with it, or the cops can carry me out screaming.

I suggest everyone else stand up and say we've had enough too, instead of falling in line to keep the peace. What we need is a good old fashion revolution.

Not possible everywhere. I'm glad I moved from NJ to FL last year since NJ has a law that e cigs are to be treated the same as analogs. Same fines and all.

 

[seamonkey]

I only vape where it is allowed and if I'm visiting someone, I ask permission before I do it in their house.

I do have a funny story about that. The guy I'm dating, for our 3rd date, he invited me to his house to cook me dinner. I asked if I could vape in his house and he said only if it didn't stink.

So I'm vaping and I noticed the house is starting to smell like smoke and he's kind of shooting me panicked glances like he wants to tell me to stop.

so I tell him I'm smelling smoke. He thinks it's me, but I tell him it's not.

He goes in the kitchen and he had left a pot holder on the stove burner and it was burning.

The look on his face when he thought it was me was kind of cute

 

[otrpu]

Work places have changed alot over the past 51 years. Back then, I bought cigs for a dollar (US) a carton and smoked at my desk and in the lunchroom. Now, I'm on security cameras everywhere cept the potty. I figured no sense in asking about smoking in the building, rather thought I'd see if I was allowed to charge the batt via USB port on office puter. I explained, the thing has no download or storage capacity whatsoever. Which is what had been the prior determinant as to what could be plugged into company puters. Word came back. . .under no circumstances would it be allowed. Reason. . .guys monitoring the cameras might "think" I was downloading something. I "thought" to myself, if you hired people that could "think" at all to monitor those cameras. I would "think" they would be capable of "thoughtfully" interpreting the email you could send them. Explaining what I was doing. But hey. . .I've fought these fights for 51 years. They've 'bout kicked all the fight outta me anymore. The smokers used to have a nice canopy to stand under outta the weather. . .till the wind blowed toward the front entrance where everybody enters/exits the bldg. Now we're down on the leeward end of the bldg with no cover whatsoever. In my mind I ain't that old. . .but I've not seen my senior on these boards yet. I still have my memories. And I can remember when everybody tended to mind their own business. What a difference a day makes.

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[Virtues]

I just wanted to express my gratitude for the opposing opinions flying around because seeing the most absurd and extreme arguments is good practice for what may possibly come my way in the future.

I would also like to express my sincere appreciation for the sane and rational people like "Sailorman" that clearly and logically laid out my feelings exactly so I didn't have to spend the time doing so.

That whole argument gave me faith not only in the capacity for intelligence humanity has, but also faith in the future of vaporizing as a whole. Thank you.

 

[Virtues]

To those that are uncertain about the safety of PG read this
www(dot)vapersclub(dot)com/pg.html (I couldn't get this link to display properly, Google "Propylene glycol animal test lung" and it will be the first page.)

and here are some of the first quotes you will find among MANY articles there that should set the mood.

"Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants."

"Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol..."

"...marked reduction in the number of acute respiratory infections..."

 

[the_antisheep]

I completely disagree, I will vape wherever, whenever I want to.
Non Smokers have persecuted us long enough, and I for one am completely willing to tell them all to go to hell.

I don't care what it looks like I'm doing, and I don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

I've had enough, non smokers have had no problem making our lives completely miserable because of their ridiculousness. Now they have absolutely no reason to, and they'll have to deal with it, or the cops can carry me out screaming.

I suggest everyone else stand up and say we've had enough too, instead of falling in line to keep the peace. What we need is a good old fashion revolution.

A revolution over being able to vape wherever you want...

That's sane

 

[Wafflestomper]

Increments are important.

Let people know that vaping is an important tool and alternative to smoking. Let it get accepted first.

With it being in danger of being taken away, blowing it in peoples faces is just going to make SURE it gets taken away.

After our right to vape is secure, if you want to push the button and try vaping in church in your underwear feel free.

I think pushing the limits, blowing vapor in peoples faces and being confrontational is irresponsible and potentially jeopardizes MY right to vape. And that doesn't sit well with me.

It's like trying to lift a ban on semi-automatic weapons by emptying a clip into the scoreboard of a high school foootball game.

 

[Virtues]

It's like trying to lift a ban on semi-automatic weapons by emptying a clip into the scoreboard of a high school foootball game.

While that certainly made me laugh, I think we're looking at the difference in asking for BB guns to be carried around INSTEAD of lethal weapons.

That seems like a more accurate description.

If I managed to thwart a bad guy by using a BB gun instead of a Desert Eagle, I think that sets an example too. In fact this very mentality has been adopted by the Japanese (no guns, only BBs) with immense success. So I'm not using intangible examples either.

 

[the_antisheep]

While that certainly made me laugh, I think we're looking at the difference in asking for BB guns to be carried around INSTEAD of lethal weapons.

That seems like a more accurate description.

If I managed to thwart a bad guy by using a BB gun instead of a Desert Eagle, I think that sets an example too. In fact this very mentality has been adopted by the Japanese (no guns, only BBs) with immense success. So I'm not using intangible examples either.

That sort of works too, but the accurate scenario would use the previous poster's example with a BB gun... Try to get it legal by walking around a store shooting up items in the store with it (or just shooting it around the store in general).

 

[Wafflestomper]

That sort of works too, but the accurate scenario would use the previous poster's example with a BB gun... Try to get it legal by walking around a store shooting up items in the store with it (or just shooting it around the store in general).

Lol, I knew someone would go all semantics on me. It was to illustrate the futility of using "in your face" tactics to try and dissuade an already vehement crowd.

These people already have a negative outlook on smokers, and until they are educated, they won't know the difference between smoke and vapor.

Even if they were indifferent in the first place, it's not the way to go about it.

 

[Chiqa]

Time place and context, at least that is what it comes down to for me. I am very aware of time and place, then the context of vaping. I avoid in your face rebellion at this point, but around here things are mellow, no one has said anything negative and in public at parks and stuff I better be ready with info to share.