I can think of a faster way, how about if we stop going there and spending money. Oh wait we already did that when no smoking rules went in affect.
They lost about 20% of their business.
Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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I can think of a faster way, how about if we stop going there and spending money. Oh wait we already did that when no smoking rules went in affect.
They lost about 20% of their business.
If people who vape act as if it is the same as smoking, then the general public will rightfully believe that it is dangerous and that it should be banned as a health hazard.
The non-smoking rules were imposed on them by government. I know several restaurant and bar owners who were not pleased with being required to be the watchdogs for the smoking Nazis. Unless they are ecig users or want to be advocates for ecigs, this isn't their fight and I have no intention of making it their fight.
What is with all the hiding and puffing where you won't get caught. Sounds like a bunch of kids sneaking around. Truth is that any business can stop you from doing anything on their property that they don't want you to do. They just have tell you. Your choice to go there or not. Vaping anywhere you want to will accomplish one thing. It will force the governments hand. They will have to regulate it. Right now they can't do it. If FDA could they would have already. They tried a roundabout by making it a drug delivery and that doesn't work because the ingredients are natural or approved. They tried the chemical route and saw right away that it wasn't dangerous. Do you think that they didn't try to find more than one contaminated cart to show that it was dangerous? The fact that it looks like smoke is not enough to make it a hazard. I know that a lot of local governments and one or two states have banned or limited their use, but chances are that none of those bans would hold up in court since they are strictly based on appearances. A government ban of an item would require that they prove that the item presents a public health hazard. As vapers, we are going to have to come out of the shadows sooner or later, and we may have to pay a little more for the product so the dealers and manufacturers can fight the legal battles. When more people see us, more people will recognize the viability of vaping as opposed to smoking and our ranks will swell. Restaurants may not be the best place to vape, but other retail areas and bars are good. Hiding and going to smoking areas is not helping (you are just doing the governments job for them).
Do people really believe there is a CHANCE in Hades these won't eventually get regulated?
I wish I could believe that . . .
Billions of tax dollars are going to be lost on cigarettes due to all the people dropping analogs and going digital. With the state of the federal and local economies there is just no way (IMHO) that they will not be regulated and eventually taxed to death.
Before I started smoking myself I used to go around the corner and buy my father cigarettes as a child. I remember him complaining when they went up to 75 CENTS a pack.
Years from now we're probably going to be saying: remember when you could buy a 30ml of juice for $15 - those were the days . . .
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Government is the enemy. It has nothing to do with health and all to do with control. When they want to control vaping, they will seek out the 'associations' and 'committees' first, and find those people there and within the community that are 'reasonable' (not rational) - that want to compromise and set standards, and those that have considerations of 'social responsibility', "image", or any consideration whatsoever to do with the 'children' or the health or sentiments of 'others', and they will use those so called 'virtues' against them and us. That's how they do it. That's how they've always done it. And that's how they will continue to do it.
I understand the intent of the OP. It is too easy to add "electronic cigarette" to a smoking ban. They will do it just to keep from having to deal with it later.
That said, I stealth vape just about everywhere. I'm not into plooms of vapor as much as I'm into feeding my addiction. People seldom notice. If they do, it's a double-take and then they don't see smoke coming off the end so they think they are seeing things. If I really want to "indulge" I go outside or somewhere... But usually I just want that hit after a meal, or when the waitress brings my drink, walking around a store. I use my auto 401 or 901 w/blue led when I'm out and have a habit of holding it by the led, so people usually think I have a pen in my mouth.
The only time anyone has ever said anything was when I got my first ecig, (an NPRO) and was using it in a tavern that had recently banned smoking. (There was probably some alcohol involved and it was a new toy.) The waitress came to the table and said someone said that I WAS SMOKING! As she said it, she looked down and saw the NPRO laying beside my plate and just started laughing and walked away.
That said, I stealth vape just about everywhere. I'm not into plooms of vapor as much as I'm into feeding my addiction. People seldom notice. If they do, it's a double-take and then they don't see smoke coming off the end so they think they are seeing things. If I really want to "indulge" I go outside or somewhere... But usually I just want that hit after a meal, or when the waitress brings my drink, walking around a store. I use my auto 401 or 901 w/blue led when I'm out and have a habit of holding it by the led, so people usually think I have a pen in my mouth.
The only time anyone has ever said anything was when I got my first ecig, (an NPRO) and was using it in a tavern that had recently banned smoking. (There was probably some alcohol involved and it was a new toy.) The waitress came to the table and said someone said that I WAS SMOKING! As she said it, she looked down and saw the NPRO laying beside my plate and just started laughing and walked away.
It's a fine line I think we have to walk between educating the public and acknowledging the importance of their perception. If vapers are seen as obnoxious and inconsiderate by people who don't understand the difference between an e-cig and a cigarette, then we hurt ourselves by vaping anywhere and everywhere.
I have vaped in a couple stores and a couple bars before, but it was a few quick puffs done discreetly. Usually when I'm out somewhere, I pop into a bathroom or step outside to vape. Whenever I'm outside, I try to make my vaping as obvious as possible, hoping to attract some questions. It's only happened twice so far and both times the people already knew about e-cigs and just wanted to know if the they really worked. I'm amazed at how many odd glances I get without comment.
I have vaped in a couple stores and a couple bars before, but it was a few quick puffs done discreetly. Usually when I'm out somewhere, I pop into a bathroom or step outside to vape. Whenever I'm outside, I try to make my vaping as obvious as possible, hoping to attract some questions. It's only happened twice so far and both times the people already knew about e-cigs and just wanted to know if the they really worked. I'm amazed at how many odd glances I get without comment.
I skimmed thru several of these posts and... well... it makes me wonder? Are you people suggesting that I shouldn't tell others, when they ask about my Xhaler, that it's my crack pipe?
It's a laugh... but a definitively visual one... and it's also prompted me to coin a cool, new, band name... if anyone wants to use it... "Fat Crack-Addict"...
Testing testing... is this thing on?
It's a laugh... but a definitively visual one... and it's also prompted me to coin a cool, new, band name... if anyone wants to use it... "Fat Crack-Addict"...
Testing testing... is this thing on?
Most of my friends refer to my GGT as my "crack-pipe". I didn't need to tell them anything...
My biggest gripe with vaping in public is people wanting to try my pv for themselves! Most people are really, really curious about it. I've had nothing but positive interactions and met some cute girls. Heh.
With that being said, I vape the way I used to smoke. Even in a smoking restaurant back in the day I wouldn't take huge drags and blow clouds of smoke in the air while at my table or booth. I treat vaping the same way.
In the week I've been vaping three of my friends have bought V4L kits and are happy to be off analogs. Their interest was piqued by EXPOSURE. If someday someone sees me vaping and complains I will kindly explain to them what my pv is and what it does. If they still push the issue I will kindly tell them to eff off. I know I'm a jerk...shoot me.
I always seem to fall in to the category of "having my will imposed on by others" and I'm SICK of it.
With that being said, I vape the way I used to smoke. Even in a smoking restaurant back in the day I wouldn't take huge drags and blow clouds of smoke in the air while at my table or booth. I treat vaping the same way.
In the week I've been vaping three of my friends have bought V4L kits and are happy to be off analogs. Their interest was piqued by EXPOSURE. If someday someone sees me vaping and complains I will kindly explain to them what my pv is and what it does. If they still push the issue I will kindly tell them to eff off. I know I'm a jerk...shoot me.
I always seem to fall in to the category of "having my will imposed on by others" and I'm SICK of it.
Honestly I think that that is a bad idea in general. Whats next? I can't eat potato chips in public because its bad for children to see it? I can't drink on my back porch cause a minor might see it? I think that hiding it will only make it not be in the public eye and then how can they support us?
Why upset people for no reason when you can just hold the vapor in a little longer? If I saw a plume of smoke indoors from a person's mouth I'd think they were smoking also... It's not their fault they're ignorant of e-cigs.
And they will remain ignorant as long as those who vape hide in dark corners, stand outside with the smokers and act like it is a bad thing that must be hidden.
This is why I want to vape where I want. I have been vaping for almost 2 months. Last night I was at a party and the person running the party wanted all smoking outside in his sunroom. I was allowed to vape in the house but when it was cig time everyone to talk to was out there so I went outside to the sun room and literally in second I felt like I was going to die. It smelled soooo nasty never realized why non smokers hated smoking inside. Well when I got home my bro said I smelled like cigs and it was really strong and I was only out in that room for like 1 or 2 min. This is why us Vaporers need to be allowed to vape almost anywhere. I understand it really is up to management at these places but why should I have to smell like that and breath in that stuff. It is wrong. The clothes I wore still smell like smoke.
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I wanted to bring this back into the conversation because I think it's the most insightful post on the topic thus far.
I love vaping and have done enough research on it at this point that, to me, it's only logical that PVs are safer than cigarettes, and that I don't run the risk of harming those around me while I use one.
But that said, anyone who sees a cloud of vapor leaving my lips doesn't necessarily know that. And in large, open establishment, more than a few of my fellow patrons would be likely to see that cloud of vapor and immediately think of smoke. The connection happens subconsciously and is pretty well justified. 99% of the time, when you see a person exhale a cloud of anything, it's smoke.
E-cigs are still new to most people. And if we're to ensure the public acceptance of vaping, we've got to make an appeal, not a divisive demand. The way to do that is to treat vaping like smoking until the general public comes to understand the difference. This is a very critical time for our fledgling activity, here. Being bullheaded about this will only inspire confrontation.
The best course of action right now for this little-understood practice of "vaping" is to be delicate, and not draw further parallels to what people often see as rude, inconsiderate, imposing "smokers."
Vapers shouldn't be hiding off in a corner all the time, no. In regards to vaping publically, my though on it is this: Not yet.
I think going out with the smokers and vaping on the street is a great way to expose people. When the concept and mechanics of vaping begin to transition into "common knowledge," THAT would be the time to start taking people's understanding and receptive good will for granted. Certainly not now, IMO.
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