Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

[NCC]

I had been vaping for nearly two months before a couple co-workers got their kits a few days ago. Mine is a smoke free workplace. But, I'd been discretely vaping all along. I am certain that a few times my boss caught me in the act, but he didn't say anything. As I said, I'd been discrete and wouldn't even consider sneaking a drag when customers were anywhere near.

After my co-workers got theirs, my boss gave me a friendly warning. The other guys hadn't been as discrete with theirs, it would seem. I believe the boss is still ok with it if done discretely. But, those two young guys could screw it up for me if they don't keep it down. I've talked to them about it.

 

[Drozd]

Yanks21 - When you posted:

"While there have not been any thorough studies on the effects of constantly inhaling PG there HAS been a study about being exposed to it. "

What study? Do you have a link???

theres a bunch of studies actually and several of them ARE about inhalation of PG..
Theres actually a thread I started about a month ago in the health and safety forum...with links..
Studies published by the journal of pharmacology, time magazine, British medical journal, and NASA...
The NASA one I think is my favorite because it talks about PG on a space station being inhaled and the long term effects all the way out to 1000 days..

 

[AJMoore]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

 

[dawhoo]

...but i would tell people not to vape mounds of clouds in public....and stop buying e-cigs...that look like real cigs.

Inconspicuous is a good thing when vaping, I agree. I use to go outside at the bar by where I work. A few times, people asked me about my Silver Bullet and now, I get to vape inside, if I want to. When a customer says something to the bartender, they tell them what it is, before I have a chance to explain and that's a nice thing. A few people come up and ask about it and I tell them about it and how it's the same liquid as an inhaler, just without the medication. I only vape non-nicotine when in the bar, for now, just in case

 

[dawhoo]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME

Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Journal of Aerosol Medicine - 20(4):417

TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION ? JPET

Lot's of studies. Google is your friend

 

[yanks21]

AJ, this is the one I was referring to:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0s-propylene-glycol-study-found-harmless.html

I too used the "inhaler" analogy with my anti-smoking nazi sister.

I said: Remember when your daughter had pnemonia and she had to use the inhaler to get the meds into her lungs? Well, this is like a portable inhaler that gets the nicotine into me.

theres a bunch of studies actually and several of them ARE about inhalation of PG..

Cool - I will check them out. I kind of meant the affects of year after year of inhaling as I expect to be using my PV until I die

 

[JLeigh]

I vape anywhere I want to. What I don't do is vape obviously anywhere I want to. I stealth vape unless I'm in an area where I know there won't be a problem. Being obvious about it is just asking for trouble.

Shopping for clothing used to make me downright suicidal (right ladies? ), and I'd have to take a smoke break outside every half hour during the ordeal. Now I just vape in the fitting rooms....which is exactly when I need the nicotine the most.

 

[Drozd]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

AJMoore,
Here's the thread I had started with the most reputable sources I could find..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-propylene-glycol-toxicity-all-one-place.html

all the links are there..

Like I said the NASA study was a study on PG being inhaled as if it was introduced to the atmosphere inside a space station....and they tracked it all the way out to 1000 days..

The BMJ article is about using PG fog in airline disaster simulations and the inhalation of it (which would be closer to the amount we're inhaling)

also covers the CDC acceptable levels and what it does to the body and how fast it leaves the system..

couple of others that a good quick reads too..

 

[whozshort]

dawhoo - I completely agree. I posted the below in another thread yesterday:

I don't want to sound like the bad guy here, and admittedly I haven't read the entire thread, but I think putting ourselves in confrontational situations by stealth vaping indoors etc. is not helping our cause at all.

We need to realize that non-smokers obviously think differently about these devices than we do. I've had so many non-smokers say things like "why don't you just quit?" - they do not realize the challenge of addiction as well as we do. Also, I don't think it really matters if it looks like a cigarette at all - it is emitting vapor which we are slightly educated on, but vapor that many others have no clue about in terms of content etc. I respect this and don't want to put anyone in a position to be uncomfortable, when I can just as easily step out the door and vape away.

With the way things are going, we need as many people on our side as possible. This will not be achieved by pushing the boundaries with our vaping. We have to accept that others, whether through ignorance or just plain lack of knowledge, may not accept these devices immediately.

I think the best thing to do, and I hate to be saying this, is to treat vaping like smoking. Stick to areas where it is allowed (not saying you need to vape right next to smokers), and allow inquiring minds to ask questions and answer as best you can. This will portray a vaping community that is respectful of all others, which is what we need. Let the non-smokers notice as they walk past that you are not emitting smoke, perhaps their curiosity will strike a conversation and support for the "ecig". If not, we have not blown it in their face so to speak.

I think if we can vape in an unobtrusive manner, we will earn the respect of the majority and it will bode well for the future of vaping in general. We need to take one for the team, to protect vaping for ourselves and the many others that can use this to quit smoking analogs in the future.

 

[hyperdeficit]

I AGREE
I dont vape where i cant smoke. The Sheeple of the media are too ignorant and stupid to understand what an e cig is. We have to be careful with vaping. please people stop doing it in public no smoking places. it is slowly becoming banned. Airlines bars some cities have even tried to and have banned it.
This is one of the reason I hate the .... weeds that work at my local smokign everywhere. they waltz up and down the mall vaping.

 

[Slim_TheHippie]

I work the front desk 3rd shift at a Ski/Golf Resort and vape all night long without a problem, I also don't use my PV in front of guests at the desk i will however vape while walking in the halls. i have had an excellent experience doing so. the people i encounter while using it either know what it is or the want to know more about it because this is a Smoke-free environment. I have been giving away all my cards I get from Vapor4life, not as a promotional thing (love the KD808) but that is my only info to distribute. As far as vaping in a closed off back office with little ventilation, and packed with co-workers some of which are smokers and most are not, they tell me that my vaping dose not affect them. I asked them if it bothered them before I started and had NO negative reactions. I do agree with a lot of the previous posts of discretion, and common courtesy, I do believe that if we treat sceptics with respect they will someday leave our habit alone. So long as the FDA keeps thier distance. Ha Ha.

 

[gashin]

I used to vape in classrooms when I was in college and the professors wouldn't care. I took caution and blew down or held my breath before exhaling or blowing into my shirt but I sometimes did it openly before this professor who would smoke analogs in front of us outside and she didn't say anything at all. Just keep it discreet if you're in a professional environment or restaurant - holding it in for a long enough time will eliminate most of the visible vapor.

 

[Drozd]

I AGREE
I dont vape where i cant smoke. The Sheeple of the media are too ignorant and stupid to understand what an e cig is. We have to be careful with vaping. please people stop doing it in public no smoking places. it is slowly becoming banned. Airlines bars some cities have even tried to and have banned it.
This is one of the reason I hate the .... weeds that work at my local smokign everywhere. they waltz up and down the mall vaping.

Nope sorry...I disagree...I think the only way that it will flourish is by educating people on what it is and the only way to do that is to have it out there and visible..
I do ask permission at every bar, sports bar/eatery that I vape in and have recieved the go ahead and encouragement from EVERY one... I've even been asked about it by a health dept officer who enforces the smoking ban and they even told me it was ok and in no way violates the ban (even asked me where they could get one).. I'm not a smoker I will not take it to a smoking area..I will ask the owner of the establishment if I'm going to be there for an extended period of time though, lets me know if I have to take my business elsewhere

 

[Michelle M]

I think we need to pick our battles carefully.

I would not vape in a large room (like a restaurant) where I couldn't have a personal conversation with everyone to reassure them I wasn't smoking an actual cigarette.

I WOULD vape somewhere with one or two people but would let them know first.

Everyone's reaction has been favorable. Nonsmokers are amazed and agree it's unoffensive. However, in a huge room full of people there are bound to be many nonsmoking jerks who will give proprietors a hard time and they will have no choice but to forbid it. We shouldn't put them in that position as that harms our cause. We should continue to make progress in small groups. Our numbers are growing!

I vape in my office -- my boss actually got me started. I've converted a couple clients to vaping!

 

[Blaro]

I really don't appreciate anyone suggesting (or telling me) where I should or shouldn't vape. I just came home from a bar where smoking is not allowed, and I let a woman who was curious take a hit off of my Janty eGo. She said she liked it. Then, after deciding she didn't like "how I looked" vaping it in the bar, decided that I should "go outside with the smokers". To me, this was pure ignorance. I wasn't blowing it in her face, in fact I was being careful not to exhale any of the vapor towards anyone in the room, mostly holding it in until nothing came out. I wasn't flaunting it or drawing attention to myself or what I was doing- just going through the normal routine of dripping, vaping, and enjoying, and she took it upon herself to decide that what I was doing was wrong. The bartender didn't care. He served me a few rounds without batting an eye, bought me one, and even asked me what flavor I was vaping. Neither did any of the people to my immediate right or left at the bar, but for some reason this woman 8 feet away from me, around the corner of the bar, decided she didn't like it. As I see it, that's her problem, not mine. I could have had a problem with the topics she was discussing, or the look on her face, or her hairdo, but in the long run, those would've been my problem, not hers, and as long as what I'm doing isn't actually bothering anyone, infringing upon anyone's rights, or illegal, that her problem.

People need to get over this and stop getting uptight, hiding, or laying guilt trips (or feeling guilty) about it. It's a great thing, much, MUCH safer than traditional cigarettes, (and we need to educate as many people who want to know, or choose to confront us, about these facts)- and in most places, it's totally legal, so...

GET OVER IT!!

Vape on

 

[georgiasl]

Nope sorry...I disagree...I think the only way that it will flourish is by educating people on what it is and the only way to do that is to have it out there and visible..
I do ask permission at every bar, sports bar/eatery that I vape in and have received the go ahead and encouragement from EVERY one... I've even been asked about it by a health dept officer who enforces the smoking ban and they even told me it was ok and in no way violates the ban (even asked me where they could get one).. I'm not a smoker I will not take it to a smoking area..I will ask the owner of the establishment if I'm going to be there for an extended period of time though, lets me know if I have to take my business elsewhere

I agree, I always ask before I vape and I have never been told no. I also carry around the FAQ page from the smoke free NC website where it specifically states that e-cigs are not included in the smoking ban. I do use a black 510 with a blue led so that way it is not mistaken as a cig by other patrons. A couple of weeks ago I was watching the UFC fight at Hooters and I had five different people ask me about it, four were smokers who were interested. I gave them Cig Not business cards and wrote the ECF web address on the back so they could do their own research. So my vaping in public may well have helped 4 people stop smoking. I refuse to be forced to go outside to vape. If an establishment ever tells me no when I ask I will go elsewhere. I wish I knew about e-cigs sooner, and the public will remain in the dark unless we educate them. What better way than using them in public?

 

[Kent C]

i really don't appreciate anyone suggesting (or telling me) where i should or shouldn't vape. I just came home from a bar where smoking is not allowed, and i let a woman who was curious take a hit off of my janty ego. She said she liked it. Then, after deciding she didn't like "how i looked" vaping it in the bar, decided that i should "go outside with the smokers". To me, this was pure ignorance. I wasn't blowing it in her face, in fact i was being careful not to exhale any of the vapor towards anyone in the room, mostly holding it in until nothing came out. I wasn't flaunting it or drawing attention to myself or what i was doing- just going through the normal routine of dripping, vaping, and enjoying, and she took it upon herself to decide that what i was doing was wrong. The bartender didn't care. He served me a few rounds without batting an eye, bought me one, and even asked me what flavor i was vaping. Neither did any of the people to my immediate right or left at the bar, but for some reason this woman 8 feet away from me, around the corner of the bar, decided she didn't like it. As i see it, that's her problem, not mine. I could have had a problem with the topics she was discussing, or the look on her face, or her hairdo, but in the long run, those would've been my problem, not hers, and as long as what i'm doing isn't actually bothering anyone, infringing upon anyone's rights, or illegal, that her problem.

People need to get over this and stop getting uptight, hiding, or laying guilt trips (or feeling guilty) about it. It's a great thing, much, much safer than traditional cigarettes, (and we need to educate as many people who want to know, or choose to confront us, about these facts)- and in most places, it's totally legal, so...

Get over it!!

vape on

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[kurtomiser]

I live in Chicago where the smoking ban is a couple of years old. I vape In public restaurants, get a lot of looks, answer a lot of questions and end up selling e-cigs to people. However, I wouldn't do it in church if thats what you are getting at. Home Depot? absolutally!

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I have vaped in a hospital, restaurants, museum, bars, in buses, on trains and in cabs to name a few places and I never had anyone complain. If anything people will come up to me and want to know more about e-cigs and where they can get them.

 

[smokinridge]

I guess I'm a little divided here...I will not be forced to stand around with smokers and get second hand smoke and I do not want to smell like a dirty ash tray (thats one of the main reasons I quit smoking!!!)
If you have gotten permission to vape in an establishment, wouldn't the same person that gave you permission be the person that others would complain to (i.e. the manager)? He/she should explain that they gave you permission and why.
The general public does need to be educated and they never will be if they never see an e-cig in use.
I do agree that we must be discreet, at times, so that we don't stir up a s**t storm and end up as "News at 11:00" but I do believe that there is a happy medium!
Besides, isn't stealth vapeing one of the things that make e-cigs so cool !!!!!