Post pictures of your working wick and coil setup

[Tbev]

If your getting burning, especially in the kf, use less cotton, I mean rayon r. If you want just enough to keep it from leaking. With cotton the trick is less is more, more better, I mean less is better... With rayon, your a pioneer, your turn to figure it out for the rest of us!

Let us know how rayon does in the kayfun, I've got tencel in my r91 and it's working well.

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[AndriaD]

No idea about rayon, wouldn't even know where to find it. So far organic cotton is working great. But don't tell me "less is more," I already had plenty of failures with so little cotton in them it's a wonder they'd vape at all, and nearly didn't. I'm at the point now where the wicking is *great* but only for about a day, or maybe just a little more. It does slide fairly easily in the coil, but maybe with more "catching" than it really should have, but it's difficult to pull off or cut off JUST the right amount, get it "rolled" just the right amount to be able to slide it thru but not compromise all the air spaces. But I'm fairly pleased with my efforts after just 2 1/2 wks, just a matter of doing it enough times to be able to judge that "right amount" by eye. I seem to have a great deal more success if I use a 7/64 drillbit than any smaller size.

Andria

 

[zipflint]

I don't know if it'll help you much, but once I quit rolling the cotton and started just.....smooshing it down to size, I had much better luck. Density is the key, and it's REALLY hard to quantify, which makes helping folks out pretty dang difficult.

I used to almost dread having to re-wick even my Taifun GT clones, but now I'm at the point where it's easier to just yank the wick out and make a new one (dry burning the coil after giving it a good rinse, and before putting in the new wick, of course) than my old (and very very poor) method of trying to carefully rinse out the old wick without moving it around too much.

Once you stumble upon the right density and amount of cotton, you can usually go by other peoples' photos as far as placement and length.

I hope that helps.

 

[Tbev]

That sounds good, of your us a bigger bit, bigger diameter coil, you may want to cut the tails at an angle so they can be smaller at the ends. Did that make sense.

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[AndriaD]

That sounds good, of your us a bigger bit, bigger diameter coil, you may want to cut the tails at an angle so they can be smaller at the ends. Did that make sense.

Yes, I think so, especially for my "kayfun lite" as opposed to my "kayfun lite plus" (they're both clones, but the kfl doesn't have adjustable airflow, the kfl+ does). With the KFL, it's a really tight draw, even for me who *likes* a pretty tight draw, and maybe it's too much wick at the wicking ends, kinda blocking what little airflow there is? That might possibly explain the burning, which seems worse in the KFL than in the KFL+...? I hear people talk about drilling out the airhole, but I wouldn't know where to start with advising my husband on that -- he's the power tool guy, not me. I'm fine with pliers, screwdrivers, stapleguns, paint brushes, even a hammer, but nobody in their right mind wants ME anywhere near serious power tools.

So I'll try to "thin out" the wick at the end a little, in the KFL.

Andria

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

If your getting burning, especially in the kf, use less cotton, I mean rayon r. If you want just enough to keep it from leaking. With cotton the trick is less is more, more better, I mean less is better... With rayon, your a pioneer, your turn to figure it out for the rest of us!

Let us know how rayon does in the kayfun, I've got tencel in my r91 and it's working well.

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Believe it or not, I like a snug wick, as I have come full circle on the cotton. Granted, I still pull it apart in line with the "grain", but when I press it back into line, I like it to be a TAD snug.
Here's why...I find, and have proven, that when you go TOO wispy with the cotton, due to gravity, when it gets wet, it lowers out of the inside of the top of the coil. I.e, raw coil/burnt hits. And you can't poke the cotton back in that hole, we are talking kayfun, not a dripper.

So I make a pulled apart and aligned, yet slightly snugger wick, so it hugs the coil's i.d. fully...way better.

Try it guys!

 

[Tbev]

Yes, I think so, especially for my "kayfun lite" as opposed to my "kayfun lite plus" (they're both clones, but the kfl doesn't have adjustable airflow, the kfl+ does). With the KFL, it's a really tight draw, even for me who *likes* a pretty tight draw, and maybe it's too much wick at the wicking ends, kinda blocking what little airflow there is? That might possibly explain the burning, which seems worse in the KFL than in the KFL+...? I hear people talk about drilling out the airhole, but I wouldn't know where to start with advising my husband on that -- he's the power tool guy, not me. I'm fine with pliers, screwdrivers, stapleguns, paint brushes, even a hammer, but nobody in their right mind wants ME anywhere near serious power tools.

So I'll try to "thin out" the wick at the end a little, in the KFL.

Andria

Tight draw and big coils in a kf I'd bet my life your choking it with too much cotton on the tails, which also leads to burning. Cut it from the end, in the middle, towards the coil at 45 degrees this will give you less cotton on the deck/in the channels.

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[MattyB1503]

Hey guys I just made some twisted 24ga,

what shouldeth thoust do with aforementioned goods?

Dual 2/3 wrap on a 3/32nds bit.

 

[AndriaD]

Believe it or not, I like a snug wick, as I have come full circle on the cotton. Granted, I still pull it apart in line with the "grain", but when I press it back into line, I like it to be a TAD snug.
Here's why...I find, and have proven, that when you go TOO wispy with the cotton, due to gravity, when it gets wet, it lowers out of the inside of the top of the coil. I.e, raw coil/burnt hits. And you can't poke the cotton back in that hole, we are talking kayfun, not a dripper.

So I make a pulled apart and aligned, yet slightly snugger wick, so it hugs the coil's i.d. fully...way better.

Try it guys!

Yeah that's what I meant by my failures with too little wick; if it doesn't fill the coil, it doesn't work right. The only real problem is just learning by doing it enough times to get just the right amount to work optimally, without burning. I'm gonna try what tbev advised, and trim the wick ends diagonally, so there's not so much wick hanging down which must be blocking some air flow.

My husband found a fairly slim, fairly long screw for me to use for wrapping it, so I'll try that tomorrow, in the kayfun which still has the 30ga pitiful looking coil in it, and in the other, do a new wick with the diagonal-cut ends.

Andria

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

The idea that too much wick by the deck is blocking the airflow is absurd.

The air comes up right under the coil, up and out the chimney.

Too much wick on the deck will impair your wicking though. Also, if you have undiluted (i.e. no PGA or H20, and not too much PG flavoring) pure VG juice won't travel the channels or wick fast enough to chain vape at all.

 

[deedupdex]

Laces quick fire vid. Thank you to all those who sent me pictures and already built these with both ribbon and kanthal!

Click on Picture to play video!!

 

[AndriaD]

The idea that too much wick by the deck is blocking the airflow is absurd.

The air comes up right under the coil, up and out the chimney.

Too much wick on the deck will impair your wicking though. Also, if you have undiluted (i.e. no PGA or H20, and not too much PG flavoring) pure VG juice won't travel the channels or wick fast enough to chain vape at all.

Then it's got to be that too much wick at the wick ends is impairing the wicking. The juice I'm using now is 67%PG/33%VG. I don't have much of a problem with the KFL+, just the KFL, it's a really tight draw, and I get a burnt taste more often in it, than in the KFL+. I'll try raising the coil up a little more, too; it's a little raised, but maybe not enough.

Andria

 

[TheKiwi]

Laces quick fire vid. Thank you to all those who sent me pictures and already built these with both ribbon and kanthal!

Click on Picture to play video!!

Ok I'm gonna confess that when I first saw it I thought it was one of those pointless fancy builds.

But holy crips that's A LOT of vapor coming out.

I'm assuming you'll need to just keep pulsing it and let oxidation build up around the overlaps to let the hot spots go away?

Or I guess I could just torch the living crap outta it prior to building

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[Alexander Mundy]

Ok I'm gonna confess that when I first saw it I thought it was one of those pointless fancy builds.

But holy crips that's A LOT of vapor coming out.

I'm assuming you'll need to just keep pulsing it and let oxidation build up around the overlaps to let the hot spots go away?

Or I guess I could just torch the living crap outta it prior to building

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I'm just theorizing here, but the cross over points shouldn't cause a problem.
The voltage gradient potentials should be almost identical where they cross in this design.

OP-----correct?--------horribly mistaken?

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Then it's got to be that too much wick at the wick ends is impairing the wicking. The juice I'm using now is 67%PG/33%VG. I don't have much of a problem with the KFL+, just the KFL, it's a really tight draw, and I get a burnt taste more often in it, than in the KFL+. I'll try raising the coil up a little more, too; it's a little raised, but maybe not enough.

Andria

I had trouble when I first started KFs as well... no flavor, at all... which is so far from where I'm at now with them it's kinda funny looking back.

I get way better flavor from my KFL+ than I do from my drippers.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

I'm just theorizing here, but the cross over points shouldn't cause a problem.
The voltage gradient potentials should be almost identical where they cross in this design.

OP-----correct?--------horribly mistaken?

seems logical

 

[TheKiwi]

I'm just theorizing here, but the cross over points shouldn't cause a problem.
The voltage gradient potentials should be almost identical where they cross in this design.

OP-----correct?--------horribly mistaken?

Ah right. Right that makes sense. Didn't think of that.

Although that is assuming that I can actually coil it so well that the voltage gradient IS that similar.

Another thing: this IS considered kinda like a quad coil right? Unless I'm visualizing the conduction path wrong. Which is very likely hahahaha.



ETA: also Mundy, the only reason I'm considering messing with this build is because I literally have HUNDREDS and Hundreds of feet of ribbon kanthal from my MM wire craze phase

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[Alexander Mundy]

seems logical

I'll read it again tomorrow when the post surgery pain meds aren't so influential. <= dang, it hurts to laugh

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Ah right. Right that makes sense. Didn't think of that.

Although that is assuming that I can actually coil it so well that the voltage gradient IS that similar.

Another thing: this IS considered kinda like a quad coil right? Unless I'm visualizing the conduction path wrong. Which is very likely hahahaha.



ETA: also Mundy, the only reason I'm considering messing with this build is because I literally have HUNDREDS and Hundreds of feet of ribbon kanthal from my MM wire craze phase

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If I had thought of it I would call it the shoelace.

EDIT: I should always read the first word in the original post.

Laces quick fire vid.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

I have no idea what one looks like!... yet! But I woulda named it 'Gastric Band'... seeing as Vaping kinda slows down the need to forage for junk food!... ,'he say's after putting on 2stone, since giving up the nasty white stick's of poison'