tbh if it was a tiny 5V only devise i would be more than happy to spend my money on it.
PRODIGY: Stick With The Old OR Go With The New ???
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Oh, well you can, they cost between 500 and 1200 dollars from what i have seen, and will control everything from tv's dvd's, remote fans, remote lights, garage door openers, wireless doors, wireless outlets, radio's, cable boxes, receivers, literally, almost anything that has a remote, and yeah, they get pretty big.
There you go.
Edit for this, i don't have one, i have had a 300 dollar Harmony, that would control my ceiling fan, haha, still would use the little ceiling fan remote though. Looking at Harmony's was when i found the 1200 dollar control everything even your wife remotes.
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One other consideration, you've sold over 1000 prodigies. If your next device is identical in use to the previous, there is no incentive to upgrade. On the other hand if you come out with a small improved device that just does 5v many of your current customers will ante up and purchase the additional device.
You have a built in customer base for an improved smaller 5v machine.
You have a built in customer base for an improved smaller 5v machine.
Oh you mean like a "smart home" remote.
The dedicated 5v..the Pentagy! (penta for 5..Pentege?)
If the smaller version of the Prodigy V2 is going to fit 2 protected cr123s, it has been mentioned that these batteries may be the same size or very close.
UltraFire 17670 3.7V PROTECTED Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 1800 mAh CR17670 Lithium Ion
Of course that would require the solderless resistor to be removable or adjustable in some way.
UltraFire 17670 3.7V PROTECTED Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 1800 mAh CR17670 Lithium Ion
Of course that would require the solderless resistor to be removable or adjustable in some way.
I think the rcr123as are 17340, so 2 would be 17680. I bet those would work just fine. I recall Steve mentioning that they were trying to make buttons with different resistance to get either 6v or 5v, if thats the case, with those batteries it would be just a scaled down version of the V1.
Yes, they're just an odd batt size and may have been overlooked. They are listed on my Protege charger though
1800mah might be able to please both camps on the V2.
Yes, they're just an odd batt size and may have been overlooked. They are listed on my Protege charger though
1800mah might be able to please both camps on the V2.
Excellent find. That should please the 18650 lovers.
My ideal nextgen PV would:
-Have as wide a selection of voltages as possible. 5v is a must though.
-Be solid (for some reason I think of the SB, even though I don't own one yet)
-Have (possibly adjustable) internal low voltage cut off so unprotected batteries would be fine to use.
-Have some kind of charge level indicator.
-Be able to use any current atomizer style, with plans to support any future ones.
-Be as small as possible, of course
-Solid switch, heavy duty, little effort to push using any part of your fingers, easy to use, but protected from misfires (some kind of lock would be best), and quiet in operation.
-I'd love to see a PV that could be "plugged in" passthrough style for usb, a car, and a standard wall outlet. While it is plugged in, it can charge when it is not being used "passthrough" style.
I'm a dreamer..
-Have as wide a selection of voltages as possible. 5v is a must though.
-Be solid (for some reason I think of the SB, even though I don't own one yet)
-Have (possibly adjustable) internal low voltage cut off so unprotected batteries would be fine to use.
-Have some kind of charge level indicator.
-Be able to use any current atomizer style, with plans to support any future ones.
-Be as small as possible, of course
-Solid switch, heavy duty, little effort to push using any part of your fingers, easy to use, but protected from misfires (some kind of lock would be best), and quiet in operation.
-I'd love to see a PV that could be "plugged in" passthrough style for usb, a car, and a standard wall outlet. While it is plugged in, it can charge when it is not being used "passthrough" style.
I'm a dreamer..
My ideal nextgen PV would:
-Have as wide a selection of voltages as possible. 5v is a must though.
A: Noted
-Be solid (for some reason I think of the SB, even though I don't own one yet)
A: Haha ... Alright
-Have (possibly adjustable) internal low voltage cut off so unprotected batteries would be fine to use.
A: Good for a high voltage device definitely, but I only recommend protected batts when in series pushing higher voltages
-Have some kind of charge level indicator.
A: Coolness
-Be able to use any current atomizer style, with plans to support any future ones.
A: Noted
-Be as small as possible, of course
A: Definitely
-Solid switch, heavy duty, little effort to push using any part of your fingers, easy to use, but protected from misfires (some kind of lock would be best), and quiet in operation.
A: Noted
-I'd love to see a PV that could be "plugged in" passthrough style for usb, a car, and a standard wall outlet. While it is plugged in, it can charge when it is not being used "passthrough" style.
A: Interesting .....
I'm a dreamer..
its good to be a dreamer Elf! See Red
its good to be a dreamer Elf! See Red
Sweet
I'll be the first in line to order when it's ready
I'd still be happy without the low voltage cutoff and simply relying on protected cells. I do understand your concern about internal voltage detection and cutoffs in a series setup, and I agree - you should always recommend protected batteries only.
On the other hand, if the PV had such a feature (which in terms of parts at least, i think would be quite inexpensive), it would allow for the tech savvy individual to use unprotected higher capacity cells if he/she chose to (at own risk, of course) - with far less risk involved as long as they made sure both cells were good and fully charged before using them. Lets face it - nomatter how strongly you discourage using unprotected cells, some people WILL do it anyway.
Of course with the recommendation and use of protected cells, such a feature might serve as "extra" protection, which is always a good thing - especially when the manufacturing and QC on many imported "cheap" batteries is dubious at best. I'm sure you have heard many stories of these imported batteries exploding because of failures of various sorts - so if this protection could be added cheaply, maybe it would still be worth consideration.
Looking forward to my nextgen PV from you! When did you say it would be ready by again?
adding LEDs, extra wiring, or anything will effect the performance IMHO. just one more bottleneck. i vote keep it simple, keep it beautiful, and keep it kick ......
I agree, all in one devices typically do a bunch of different stuff, but not as well as a purpose specific device for each function would.adding LEDs, extra wiring, or anything will effect the performance IMHO. just one more bottleneck. i vote keep it simple, keep it beautiful, and keep it kick ......
Gibby
All of this, designed right, could be the most beautiful, solid, reliable, and full featured PV on the market.
I have faith in Cashmere, and no doubt that this could be "The One" PV that everyone always carries with them. It will be the Rolls Royce of PVs.
I have faith in Cashmere, and no doubt that this could be "The One" PV that everyone always carries with them. It will be the Rolls Royce of PVs.
it would also add to the size, weight, and frailness. not to mention manufacturing costs, if i remember correctly a round about number to guess what a part would cost to manufacture is $10 per drilled hole not including tapping the hole, reaming the hole, etc. battery options are also limited at best. to get above 3.7v and keep longevity it gets hard to get the size down to a minimum. unless you're the HMFIC at a battery manufacturing plant i doubt we can change that fact alone lol... (LOL at HMFIC i love that term)
I think the prodigy is as multipurpose as Steve should go, maybe some additional accessories would please some more people.
smaller 5v prodigy, protege, and OG Prodigy maybe prettied up as stainless steel would do me fine.
I would order 3 of the new prodigy's right off the bat, need them for my folks.
edit: 1 for me, 2 for my folks, i don't have 3 parents, in case anyone was wondering, haha.
smaller 5v prodigy, protege, and OG Prodigy maybe prettied up as stainless steel would do me fine.
I would order 3 of the new prodigy's right off the bat, need them for my folks.
edit: 1 for me, 2 for my folks, i don't have 3 parents, in case anyone was wondering, haha.
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Oh, make no mistake, I am indeed talking about a complete redesign. If it is as solid as I am thinking of, there will be plenty of "room" to put these features in without a big sacrifice in either weight or durability (in fact, most of the weight will be due to the solidness and durability in the first place). The cost, yes, will go up a bit. That's fine. More than enough people are willing to buy one beautiful, solid, state of the art device with the features and capability that they can use every single day, nomatter what their current situation/preference is. They would know with a push/glance whether they can just take off hiking for the day or whether they should swap batteries first. The button would be a dream to use with a light touch, yet be the highest switch quality and durability (with the highest cycle rating available) while still having lock protection from accidental misfire in a pocket or purse. Users would still be able to easily change their atty to a different style with a different liquid per preference of course. They can also plug it in, still use it like a passthrough, and get charged essentially at the same time. Perhaps even with extra under-voltage protection from the dangers of these kinds of batteries. These conveniences in a solid device would put it many steps ahead of anything else out there, and buyers who want the best will be completely happy to put down the money for that.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that the current lineup be changed either. In fact I agree a smaller 5v only device would be great. The original or redesigned prodigy would be great too, although between a new smaller 5v device and the protege, I think those needs could be covered by themselves even without a prodigy redesign.
Yet nomatter how you slice this up, I still see a void in the PV market to be filled by a "top-of-the-line" device. Solid, versatile, and with the conveniences that make it the "must have" device for the high-end market. Again, yes this would cost more. But the coolness factor would be through the roof, and it would address the high-end market for which there are currently no available products. Until now, PVs have been in their infancy (many will say they still are). Mid range devices as I would call them (prodigy, protege, sb, etc) are only just beginning to scratch the surface of this market. There are many cool ideas out there, and we see many good examples here and there in current products, but no-one has yet put them all together. If you think about it, I am sure just about everyone would love to combine their favorite features of these different devices to have the best of all worlds.
Some like to collect PVs just to have one of each, but most do it primarily because each one has strengths (and coolness factors) the other does not. Combine the best of all worlds, make it solid as can be, with the conveniences everyone (yes everyone - that even includes soccer moms and executives, tech-savvy and not) would want, and you are now addressing that big void that no-one has stepped up to fill yet. Since you are addressing the desires of everyone who buys from all the current "high end" PV makers, you will capture the attention of all of them. 1000 units sold? bah. That number will be eclipsed in short order by something of this magnitude.
Now before the nitpicking starts, please keep in mind that it is this concept I am conveying, not the details. Everyone could argue (pretty much forever) about those. Take this post for what it's worth.
As for me, I'm confident that this whole concept will be addressed at some point coming up. If Cashmere does, that would be awesome. If not, I am sure that someone else will (and might anyway.. it really is, after all, only a matter of time). The opportunity is there. And where there is opportunity, there will be invention, design, a whole lot of happy people, and good money to be made.
Food for thought, my friends, food for thought..
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that the current lineup be changed either. In fact I agree a smaller 5v only device would be great. The original or redesigned prodigy would be great too, although between a new smaller 5v device and the protege, I think those needs could be covered by themselves even without a prodigy redesign.
Yet nomatter how you slice this up, I still see a void in the PV market to be filled by a "top-of-the-line" device. Solid, versatile, and with the conveniences that make it the "must have" device for the high-end market. Again, yes this would cost more. But the coolness factor would be through the roof, and it would address the high-end market for which there are currently no available products. Until now, PVs have been in their infancy (many will say they still are). Mid range devices as I would call them (prodigy, protege, sb, etc) are only just beginning to scratch the surface of this market. There are many cool ideas out there, and we see many good examples here and there in current products, but no-one has yet put them all together. If you think about it, I am sure just about everyone would love to combine their favorite features of these different devices to have the best of all worlds.
Some like to collect PVs just to have one of each, but most do it primarily because each one has strengths (and coolness factors) the other does not. Combine the best of all worlds, make it solid as can be, with the conveniences everyone (yes everyone - that even includes soccer moms and executives, tech-savvy and not) would want, and you are now addressing that big void that no-one has stepped up to fill yet. Since you are addressing the desires of everyone who buys from all the current "high end" PV makers, you will capture the attention of all of them. 1000 units sold? bah. That number will be eclipsed in short order by something of this magnitude.
Now before the nitpicking starts, please keep in mind that it is this concept I am conveying, not the details. Everyone could argue (pretty much forever) about those. Take this post for what it's worth.
As for me, I'm confident that this whole concept will be addressed at some point coming up. If Cashmere does, that would be awesome. If not, I am sure that someone else will (and might anyway.. it really is, after all, only a matter of time). The opportunity is there. And where there is opportunity, there will be invention, design, a whole lot of happy people, and good money to be made.
Food for thought, my friends, food for thought..
Ditto. Love the finish on the Protege.
An option for those that theirs powder coated might be nice too.
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