provari ...... or .....lavatube

[MustangSallie]

Sally, Sally. You like buttons and I guess I pushed yours.

Yes, seriously the IP is better and faster than the Provari.

And you need a digital display to tell you that you got a good hit.

And you don't like rotary switches. Or maybe don't understand the concept.

You do know that the IP is available with your choice of connector. You don't like 510, order an 808 or a 901. Replaceable by the way. Um, that's more flexible, not less. Tell your husband to screw his back on.

The IP is half the weight of the Provari, not just slimmer. Or maybe you need the 'heft' and 'girth' for something...? Like clubbing people with your flashlight? Oh, kudos on the red font. Made your response much more intelligent.

I bet you'd like the Provari 18650 Tube extension, so you can use a REALLY big battery and get SUPER long battery life. (You'd have more 'length' then as well) You vape 'pear'. lol

And brilliant summary, The Provari magically produces more vapor with less power. That works how exactly?

Go ahead and advise the newbies to buy last year's American model dinosaur when there's a cheaper Chinese knockoff copy available. Just duck your head when Provape finally releases the pending new model in a month or two. Too bad notcigs has patent pending on the buck regulator.

You're in love with a flashlite. We get that. : )

I don't care what anybody buys or likes, it's all personal preference. That's why I bought my husband the iPro. He likes it, that makes me happy. That means he will stay quit from his 40+ year smoking habit.

I was stating my preference. You made it personal. I wonder why?

 

[kabonk]

well my lava tube will be here Monday I'm kind of excited, it's funny no matter how many PV's I have a new PV always makes me happy

 

[SKYYcamel]

My Lava Tube will be here Monday as well. I've had a ProVari in my shopping cart more times than I can count, but I could never pull the trigger. I just couldn't justify the cost. But, with the discount code, the Lava Tube is a steal IMHO. Even if it dies the day after the warranty expires, I feel I'll get my money's worth. I've owned tons mods, from a $25 SP1 to a VV Ali'i, and I know what I like. I like something that functions as it should at a good price point. Just my

 

[phishhed27]

Im posting this in all the lavatube threads,so if youve read it,move on to the next post:

This is MY opinion.....
I just received my lavatube today....first I thought as i took it out of the oackaging,wow this is pretty nice.
Then as I was inserting the battery,the plastic battery cap came RIGHT OFF the aluminum bottom piece that holds the spring.
My second thought...you get what you pay for,you can tell its a mass produced chinese mod...but with some superglue,i reattached the plastic bottom to the aluminum spring housing.
Ok then I tried to see if an AW 18650 battery would fit...neither the button topped one would fit,neither would the flat top AW 2900Mah...it would fit either battery...so I just slipped a black oring over the bottom cap to act as a spacer,and both AW 18650 batts then fit...and you cant even see the oring cuz everythings black.(I opted to use the 2900mah flat top for longer life)
Theni I threw on a jtank with a boge SR 3ohm carto...and started vaping away....except for the loose jiggly voltage control buttons,it seems like a pretty solid build.
I have to say that I REALLY like it,and its WAY lighter than the Provari...but its pretty long,with either an atty,carto,or tank,becuz it houses an 18650 battery.
If they were gonna copy the provari...they should of done the same bottom cap design...that if you want to use a bigger battery,you buy an extension battery cap(it woulda been more revenue for the company too by having an accessory to sell).
I prefer using my chrome provari in it 18500 mode cuz it shortens the overall length once youve put on a tank or whatever yer gonna use.

Ok now the provari...its DEFINITELY a better made PV...once you hold it in yer hand,youll feel the difference RIGHT AWAY.
Its made from SS instead of thinner Aluminum,so its gonna last ALOT longer most likely....BUT,because it SS it alot heavier,so it may not be the most pocket friendly PV....but the Lavatube tho being much lighter,its longer,so it may not be the BEST either...so both have their drawbacks to being a all day pocket carrying device...but thats personal preferance.
So all in all,the Lavatube IS worth the money...you cant beat $63 shipped for a VV tube mod,and under $90 shipped for the whole it(battery,atty,charger,case)
BUT,if you only want to buy ONE,the old saying rings true...."buy the best that you afford right from the start" cuz when you buy cheap,itll just end up making you want more...and even tho the provari makes you cycle thru the menu(which becomes second nature within yer first few uses),it offers more functions that the Lavatube doesnt...and the Provaris fit and finish is WAY better(like they say,and I said b4,you get what you pay for).

So,if you can afford it,I say stick with the tried and true provari(the lavatube is still too new to know its durability...if its like every other china cheapy,im sure itll break eventually,like a wires solder point breaking,or something similar).
Ya cant go wrong with the provari cuz you have any problems with it,you have somewhere to call,you can just send it in for repairs,I serioiusy doubt the lavatube would be worth fixing if it broke...its kinda along the mentality of,what do you do with yer 510/901/801/ego batts when they stop working? Ya toss em....thats pretty much how i feel about the lavatube(and im sure the manufacturers think that too,thats why itso pricing is right along the line of an ego kit,maybe a LIL more,but PRETTY much in the same price range)
I saw what the lavatubes sell for in bulk,about $35,so im sure you can get the idea of what the internals look like,and how sturdy theyre put together.

I WILL be keeping my lavatube,even tho I own a provari....cuz if I left the house,and I wanted a VV tube mod,id grab the lavatube without thinking twice about it cuz it was so.cheap,i could care less if I drop it or if it gets a lil beat up(or worse,I lost it or somebody stole it)..i would be ...... if anything happend to my provari.

So there it is...now the choice is up to you which one to buy.GLWP,youll be happy wither EITHER device...really.

 

[therealcmac]

Well i am still a noob at this and i don't have money sitting in the bank for a ProVari, the LavaTube was the perfect fit for me as my first VV device, inexpensive and it works, i have had no issues with it besides the connection being slightly crooked, but a little tug on it and it is fine now. Some day i would love to buy a ProVari, but i do not have to go for the lamborghini when i can get the camero for less than half the price and still have fun....does that make any sense? lol If someone is looking for a great step up from an ego battery and has to keep the christmas presents in mind for the kids, i dont think you can go wrong with the LavaTube/knightrider. And if it dies on me in a year or so i can buy another and still be better off financially than if i bought the ProVari. that is my rambling 5 cents.

 

[Izord]

I don't care what anybody buys or likes, it's all personal preference. That's why I bought my husband the iPro. He likes it, that makes me happy. That means he will stay quit from his 40+ year smoking habit.

I was stating my preference. You made it personal. I wonder why?

I did get personal and I apologize. Let my personal bad mood rub off on my post. You put some time into your response and I'll try to give a reasoned response.

I would never recommend a ProVari over an Infinity Pro, unless you really like Light Sabers.

My husband calls it a flashlight. I could care less what anyone calls it. It works and it works well.

This is a question of form factor and personal aesthetics. The IP is thinner and lighter than the Provari. Because it can use smaller batteries because it’s circuitry is more efficient. The Provari is fatter and much heavier. It has weird light saber marks on its fat tube flashlight body. It has the option of an extension tube to allow the use of a really big battery the 18650. This will allow longer runtime than without the extension. 18650 batteries have around 2200 mAh vs. the IP batteries 620 mAh, similar runtimes. Much of the Provari’s battery output is wasted as heat dissipation in the inferior regulator.


Sallie that's just not correct. On an Infinity Pro here's how you dial it in. First put on ANY carto. From 1.2 ohm on up. Then turn the dial to desired hit. If it's too hot turn it down. If it's too cool turn it up. Problem?

Yes, big problem. When I want my pear at 3.8 volts and my black raspberry a 4.2 volts, I don't want to be turning a dial in itsy bitsy increments, up... down... up... down... Oh, there is! Finally, only took 5 minutes this time!

You are grossly exaggerating. Turning the thumbwheel takes a microsecond and the sweet spot is really easy to find. It’s OK if you like pear. I like a lot of different flavors. Mostly Menthol, Cinnamon, Coffee, Butter Rum, Chocolatey, Toffee kind of flavors. Not a big fan of fruity flavors yet.

Incorrect, Sallie to turn off the iPro you turn the bottom 1/4 turn. Simple elegant design, Delrin surface over metal threads makes the bottom into a rotary switch.

Seriously?

Seriously, it is a very simple, effective and well thought out design. It takes 1/8 of a second to do. I wanted to find out how to turn off the Provari. So I downloaded the 16 page Provari instruction manual. I'm posting just ONE page. Seriously, click on the thumbnail. It takes at least ten clicks to turn the Provari OFF, with a waiting time of two plus four seconds. Insanely crazy. The IP takes 1/8 of a second, give or take. Go download the sixteen page manual if you want to see how 'EASY' the Provari is to use.

This is 'seriously' how you turn off the Provari. "Press the button nine times till P0 is shown on the display. When P0 is shown on the display leave the button idle for two seconds and the display will show the last setting On or Off. Each time you press the button the display will toggle between On/Off. When you have reached the desired setting leave the button idle for four seconds. If you select OF(sic) the Provari will go into standby mode. If you make a mistake JUST (emphasis mine) press the button nine times in a row and you will be able to make another change." So correct me if I’m reading this wrong, but does it take six seconds to turn off the Provari? Seriously? Vs. the 1/8 of a second to turn off the IP? Seriously?

Correct, with the caveat that with the iPro it doesn't matter what ohms your carto or atty is because it can use ANY. (See hit control)

Well, see it does matter. I don't want to put a 2.0 ohm atty on my pv and try and chase my preferred wattage. So much nicer to read the ohms, set the volts (precisely) and ahhhh.... perfect watts = perfect vape!

Or flick the thumbwheel to ahhhh. ….. perfect hit = perfect vape

1. Higher power output, 3 amps vs. 2.5 amps.

Not sure why this is important, but you seem to think it is, so I'm sure it is.

I’ll give you this one. Although you may not know why. A little more reading on the Provari shows that it does deliver 15 watts, same as the IP. Max power for the Provari is reached at: 6 volts 2.5 amps with a a 2.4 ohms carto/atty for 15 watts
For the IP it’s 5 volts 3 amps and 1.6667 ohms for 15 watts
Hmm. Ever wonder why 5 volts is considered the sweet spot for vaping?


2. Buck regulator vs. Boost regulator. About three times the efficiency and battery life. Less wasted heat. Vape three times as long without charging batteries.

So, two days on one battery isn't long enough?

That’s your personal vaping time. Provari achieves such vape time as it has by the use of larger heavier batteries than the IP. Some Provari users even feel the need to buy an “extension tube” to allow the use of really giant flashlight batteries. Here are some quotes from other Provari users regarding actual vaping time.

I was getting the low battery indicator last night before I went to bed around 1 so about 11 hours of use. I am not a terribly heavy vaper as I would get about 6-8 hours on a standard ego batt. I put a fresh battery in this morning before I left for work at 9 am. It still going strong now. I'll post an update later tonight if/when the battery is finally dead.

Thanks, JT... I'll be curious to know how long it lasts for you today..... I seem to get a little less than 12 hrs. at the settings I mentioned in my prior post and I'm just trying to "compare notes" . Those 18650's sure take a while to charge...

So you are at about 7.5 hours with the lo indicator flashing. That's about what I'm getting but at a lower voltage than you are at.

Update. It is now no longer firing as of a little after 7:00 pm. So about 10 hours of vaping.

An aw imr 18650 lasts me about a day and a half. I only vape about 2-3 ml a day tho.

Got my provari last wk with the 18650 batts. They were working great, each lasting about 1.5 days. Now they are only lasting about 8 hours or so.

Have no idea if this is typical or not. I vaped 12 hours on my ProVari w/2500 mAh ProVari Power batt.

I have the AW IMR 18650 batteries and only get about 2 hours out of any of the 3 I rotate. Is this normal with a 3ohm carto?

It is not normal. I get a least 9 hours out of an 18650 Imr with a 3ohm cartomizer. And that is heavy vaping, not light.


4. Fewer quality issues, better power button, fewer returns, fewer parts to break.

Did I mention that the top of my husband's iPro started to unscrew after one week? Did I mention that I dropped my ProVari 3 times with no issues? Oh, and what about the guy who bought and Infinity 9 months ago but can't get the warranty honored because the module isn't being produced anymore?

So your husband’s top cap started to unscrew? So? Um it’s replaceable with different connectors. 510, 808, 901. Tell him to screw it back on. You dropped your ProVari and it didn’t break? Neither will a Maglite. Not sure about the guy who bought the original Infinity. I’m sure there’s more to the story. The Infinity Pro is the current model. Better electronics. It has a six month warranty. But to humor your story. It sounds like you’re referring to a device that was out of warranty. And they didn’t have any more circuit boards for that model. Um, where were you going with that again? The Provari has a 6 month longer warranty and costs $102 more. Nearly exactly twice as much for twice the warranty.

5. No error codes.

I never get them because I know how to use it.

Good for you, now how about all the people on the forums that do get error codes?

6. Sale Price with Batteries and charger: Provari $211.95 Infinity Pro $109.95.

Well at least we agree on one thing. You get what you pay for.

Yup, you get a clunky, heavy, fat dinosaur that takes 10 button presses and six seconds to turn off, and I get a sleek, well designed, piece of state of the art beauty.

7. Smaller, lighter, more powerful, simpler, less expensive, easier to use, more flexible and more efficient equals technological advancement.

Skinner but taller. Falls over with a tank on the top of it. Harder to find the perfect voltage, thus the perfect vape. Have to make sure the atty connector is screwed in tight all the time, or else the wires could break if it comes unscrewed. All this makes it harder to use thus less flexible which equals an inferior product in my eyes.

Um, it’s not a 55 gallon drum, don’t stand it up, lay it on its side. Easier to find the perfect voltage on the IP. Want me to paste the instructions from the Provari manual on how to change the voltage? The IP has a ONE PAGE instruction manual. Which is the easier device to use. Seriously. And again, how does having a replaceable connector with different options make a device LESS flexible? Unless YOU live in Backward Land because you have NO connector options for the Provari, you’re stuck with 510 unless you want to use an adapter.

Anyway Mustang Sallie they are different devices. With different design philosophies that will obviously appeal to different tastes. I warrant that the Provari has a major flaw in its Boost regulator inefficiency which it partially overcomes by using a larger heavier battery. Personally I prefer the slim design of the IP. And as far as the OP’s question about Lavatube. I think he might want to consider the Infinty Pro for $109.95 with batts and charger over the Lavatube at whatever it costs. The IP is designed better than the Provari which sells for $209.95 with batteries and charger, either of which are much higher in quality than the lavatube.

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

Dun dun dun! Provari Vs Lavatube Battle! I predicted this!

Hardly a battle. A comparison.

I also am under the suspicion(just a feeling, don't hate me for saying this) that there are undercover provape folks making dummy accounts to talk trash about Lavatube and praise Provari. Saying no names, just too many people(brand spanking new accounts, no posts mind you) out of NO WHERE all of a sudden " OMG, i just bought this Provari it's sooo great".

Yet no mention of another user who has only been on for two weeks pushing iPro in a thread regarding ProVari and Lavatube.

Trying to convince a ProVari owner that they were wrong to make their purchase, to me, is like trying to convince a Cadillac owner they should have gone with a Hyundai. Both get their respective owners where they want to go, and each will do so in the style they want. However, if you ask a ProVari or Lavatube owner what voltage they like to vape at, they can say "4.2", or "5.6"...an iPro owner would say "Oh...a little past yellow."

Different doesn't mean better. Or worse. And a comparison shouldn't have to turn into a battle, trolling, or flame war.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I agree 100% and not to knock the Lavatube but already there are issues. No vent hole yet the manufacturer says there's a "pressure release " hole which apparently is untrue. I'm also curious as to the longevity of the Lavatube and, once again, am not knocking it and wish the best of luck to all that purchased it.

Hardly a battle. A comparison.



Yet no mention of another user who has only been on for two weeks pushing iPro in a thread regarding ProVari and Lavatube.

Trying to convince a ProVari owner that they were wrong to make their purchase, to me, is like trying to convince a Cadillac owner they should have gone with a Hyundai. Both get their respective owners where they want to go, and each will do so in the style they want. However, if you ask a ProVari or Lavatube owner what voltage they like to vape at, they can say "4.2", or "5.6"...an iPro owner would say "Oh...a little past yellow."

Different doesn't mean better. Or worse. And a comparison shouldn't have to turn into a battle, trolling, or flame war.

 

[Izord]

Yet no mention of another user who has only been on for two weeks pushing iPro in a thread regarding ProVari and Lavatube.

I don't have an interest in notcigs. Just sharing options with someone considering the purchase off a VVPV. Is there something wrong with sharing information?

Trying to convince a ProVari owner that they were wrong to make their purchase, to me, is like trying to convince a Cadillac owner they should have gone with a Hyundai.

Why did you take it that way? Or maybe you didn't mean my posts. I wasn't trying to convince a Provari owner about anything. Either way I'm sharing info for benefit of the OP. Why do you take offense at that?

an iPro owner would say "Oh...a little past yellow."

Not me. I would say sometimes I want a cool hit, sometimes I want a warm hit, and sometimes I want a hot hit. And I always get them just right.

I don't have to think in terms of digits, and decimal places and Press the button 7 times leave it idle for two seconds then press it one time for each tenth of a volt. (downward) The default is 4 volts. So to get to five volts from 4 volts requires 23 button presses and a pause interval of two seconds on the Provari.

I apologize profusely if you're offended that I'm sharing this information.

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

Nope, not offended at all. I certainly didn't make my post personal, and don't see where I may have come off as being the least bit offended. After all, the only VV device I own is a little white box that cost me $35.

 

[zoiDman]

what does it matter if x is better than y , use what you like . sounds like children on the playground in here . "my dad can beat up your dad"

Yeah, there is Nothing better that to read huge rants over why PV “X” is better than PV “Y”.

And then when someone disagrees it turns into a War of Words similar to a day time talk show.

Funny how someone can be so sure that the PV they like and works well for them is what someone else will like.

 

[Izord]

Yeah, there is Nothing better that to read huge rants over why PV “X” is better than PV “Y”.

And then when someone disagrees it turns into a War of Words similar to a day time talk show.

Funny how someone can be so sure that the PV they like and works well for them is what someone else will like.

Yeah, totally, threads in the new member forum should be like this:

OP: PV "X" or "Y"?
response: Just use what you like! And don't even consider "Z". It's all good.
EOT

 

[XKingXGregX]

my opinion is if someone doesnt want to spend a lot go ahead and get a lava tank its reasonable priced pv, but if they both costed the same and someone had to choose between the two id say most people would pick the provari, its quality and sleek design, it has solid heaviness, i was impressed with it when i first took it out of the box, o ya it vapes good and with extention cap battery life is no issue

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

Yeah, totally, threads in the new member forum should be like this:

OP: PV "X" or "Y"?
response: Just use what you like! And don't even consider "Z". It's all good.
EOT

OR - Present information without getting personal, snide, condescending or defensive. Option Z may be the better choice for the OP as much as it is for the person presenting it but when it comes wrapped in a personal argument, it becomes waste.

 

[zoiDman]

OR - Present information without getting personal, snide, condescending or defensive. ...

That would be good. Also staying a little closer to the thread topic would be nice.

The OP started a thread about the Lavatube vs. Provari.

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

That would be good. Also staying a little closer to the thread topic would be nice.

The OP started a thread about the Lavatube vs. Provari.

Nothing at all wrong with introducing a new option, and I, personally, was interested to read what was said about the iPro - both the passionate "pro" comments as well as the "cons". They were completely valid and for all we know may have been the saving grace for numerous readers.

When the Lavatube was first announced, I think it was on everyone's mind to compare it to the ProVari...more of a 'given' than any kind of prediction. Both are tube mods, both have a digital display, both are VV, both step in voltage by a tenth of a volt at the click of a button. One is significantly well-known, one is astoundingly more affordable. One will display an error code if the voltage is set higher than the circuitry likes for the resistance of a particular atty or carto, while the other will simply not apply that voltage. One takes a significantly higher number of clicks over the other to perform a simple task, while the other offers only the barest minimum of features. The iPro simply takes a turn of a dial, and that may be all that is needed or desired and therefore perfect for some. Some may WANT the voltage displayed, or the resistance of an atty/carto, or the remaining battery capacity...or they may just want to quickly warm up their vapor for a particular flavor, or cool it down to fit their mood and not have to click eleventy-two times, or even twice.

We just don't have to attack someone else, or their choice in PV, to do so.

 

[arbogast]

my opinion is if someone doesnt want to spend a lot go ahead and get a lava tank its reasonable priced pv, but if they both costed the same and someone had to choose between the two id say most people would pick the provari, its quality and sleek design, it has solid heaviness, i was impressed with it when i first took it out of the box, o ya it vapes good and with extention cap battery life is no issue

I agree, personally. I have, however, spent too much on other vaping equipment lately. So I'll be getting the poorvari.

 

[kabonk]

there was a big thread going on over on the provape sub forum about the lava tube and they didn't close the thread with us talking about another vedors product you think they would have I don't think they see the lavatube as much of a threat there is enough room in market for high end and low end products I'm sure they don't care enough about the lava tube to do something like that.

Dun dun dun! Provari Vs Lavatube Battle! I predicted this!
& I also am under the suspicion(just a feeling, don't hate me for saying this) that there are undercover provape folks making dummy accounts to talk trash about Lavatube and praise Provari. Saying no names, just too many people(brand spanking new accounts, no posts mind you) out of NO WHERE all of a sudden " OMG, i just bought this Provari it's sooo great". Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Provari ARE excellent It's just odd. I don't remember so much hoopla about them when I first started up here on ECF. It's been like Provari pandemonium as the Lavatube's debut came closer and closer.

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

I agree, personally. I have, however, spent too much on other vaping equipment lately. So I'll be getting the poorvari.

Hah! "Poorvari". Love that!

 

[arbogast]

Hah! "Poorvari". Love that!

Thank you. Just thought I'd add that it's solely done for the sake off wordplay. I haven't tried neither mod.